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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #75 on: January 06, 2021, 01:27:05 PM »
Why?

Because there's too much anti-racism in society for my liking & I strongly object to being told what opinions I should have.
"Ich wette, die Eltern haben es geschafft" (Mich)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #76 on: January 06, 2021, 01:51:58 PM »
Because there's too much anti-racism in society for my liking & I strongly object to being told what opinions I should have.
If there was too much racism in society would you be an anti-racist?
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #77 on: January 06, 2021, 02:02:18 PM »
If there was too much racism in society would you be an anti-racist?

Yes.

That is roughly how my principle system functions.

It's like years ago I might have supported LGBT rights, but since that seems to be particularly popular these days I am thoroughly & unashamedly against it. 

"Ich wette, die Eltern haben es geschafft" (Mich)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #78 on: January 06, 2021, 02:34:12 PM »
Yes.

That is roughly how my principle system functions.

It's like years ago I might have supported LGBT rights, but since that seems to be particularly popular these days I am thoroughly & unashamedly against it.
I see, so that's why you support paedophiles.  I getcha. 
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2021, 07:21:55 AM »
It seems British fishermen are not happy bunnies and who can blame them?  Promised the seas and everything in them but reality dawns that Brexit was built on costly lies:

You misled us over Brexit deal, angry fishermen tell Johnson
January 08 2021, 12.01am
“Everything ... that you, and others at the very top of government told us, and also told parliament [and] the general public, led us to believe that your stance on fishing was not just rhetoric or expedience, but was based around a principle — that a sovereign country should be able to control who fishes in its own waters and should be able to harvest the fish resources in its own waters primarily for its own people. That proved not to be the case,” says the federation’s letter to Downing Street.

“It is not that, in the end, you were forced to concede in the face of an intransigent and powerful opponent that has caused such fury across our industry, it is that you have tried to present the agreement as a major success when it is patently clear that it is not.”

Anger is growing in the industry, not only over the deal but also over problems with new customs paperwork that is hitting Scottish fishermen particularly hard. Many have kept their boats in port as distribution problems have stopped their consignments from reaching customers on the Continent.

The transport company DFDS, which consolidates smaller shipments into truckloads for export, halted its operations last week after delays in getting on top of the new customs paperwork. The company’s shipments are not expected to resume until next week, and even then are likely to take two days rather than one to reach markets in the EU.

Anger at the delays was exacerbated by the Scotland Office minister David Duguid, who was asked by BBC Radio Scotland how long it would take before trade began to run smoothly again. “Well, how long’s a piece of string?,” he told Good Morning Scotland before adding: “We are working day and night in resolving the issues that we know about and that we can fix directly.”

In the Commons Douglas Ross, the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, told George Eustice, the environment secretary, that financial compensation was “clearly needed by our fishermen right across the country”.

The Scottish Liberal Democrat MP Alistair Carmichael described the situation as “a shambles of the government’s own making”.

“For years this government has promised our fishing industry a sea of opportunity, but today our boats are tied up in harbour, their propellers filled with red tape manufactured in Whitehall,” he said. “Yesterday the prime minister told the liaison committee that compensation had been considered for our fishing industry. Who is going to be compensated, for what and by how much?”

Mr Eustice described the issues being faced by fishermen as “teething problems” and said the government was looking into the case for compensation.

Downing Street later confirmed that there would be compensation for affected businesses, and said it did not believe the companies were to blame for delays or losses. “We have said that we are looking to compensate the fishing industry given they face temporary issues, and we accept that this may have been through no fault of their own,” the prime minister’s spokesman said.

Victoria Prentis, the fisheries minister, came under fire after admitting that she did not read the Christmas Eve deal because she was too busy organising local festivities.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of the House of Commons, was also attacked after giving a flippant response to Scottish concerns over the impact of new border controls. He said that fish were “better and happier” after Brexit.

The Brexit deal struck by Mr Johnson has left the EU with 75 per cent of its fishing quota, by value, caught in Britain’s waters until the end of a five-and-a-half year transition period.

While the quotas will be up for grabs in annual talks from 2026, the federation suggests that any new negotiations will be “Groundhog Day”, with the EU “repeatedly exerting its ability to bring greater economic power to bear on the UK, who after protests will again and again capitulate”.

“Depressingly, we will remain tied into a neo-colonial relationship with the EU on fish, despite our rights under international law, for long into the future,” wrote the federation in its letter to Mr Johnson.

“This was our moment in the political sun — a small but symbolically significant industry had an opportunity to break free of an asymmetric and fundamentally exploitative relationship with the EU.

“We failed in this agreement to break out of that grip, and it would be much better if you, with humility and honesty, conceded that you tried but failed — rather than implying that you had handed us the keys of our liberation, when you have not.”

Case study
Hansen Black, 54, is the sales director of Shetland Fish, which specialises in selling a range of white fish including ling, monkfish, haddock and cod.

Before this month it was able to buy produce on a Monday and have it at the port in Boulogne by Wednesday morning. This year its first shipment was delayed by several days while its second ended up having to be sold in the UK because it was taking too long to get to Europe.

Mr Black, a former chief executive of the Shetland Fishermen’s Association, said: “To say it has been a pretty disappointing start to the year would be an understatement.”

Even with Covid-19 restrictions, last year an average of almost 6,400 boxes of fish were landed each week. This week’s daily totals have ranged from 800 boxes to less than 200.

Mr Black said: “It is going to be a very, very quiet week. We are selling a fraction of the quantity we normally would. Different companies will be in different positions but it is a worrying time for everybody. If we cannot get this sorted then there will be businesses which go to the wall for sure.”

Jamie McMillan, the managing director of Loch Fyne Seafarms, went on Twitter to air his disappointment with Boris Johnson and his government.

He fears that his company and many others face bankruptcy unless the “unbelievable” situation is resolved. “I’m dismayed, I’m angry, my blood is boiling,” he said.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2021, 01:28:12 PM »
Unbelievable,  no wonder the Scots want independence:

US tariffs on whisky will stay as post-Brexit trade talks falter
Oliver Wright, Callum Jones
Friday January 15 2021, 12.01am, The Times
Global politics
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Removing the tariffs on whisky is unlikely to be a priority for Katherine Tai, the new US trade representative
Removing the tariffs on whisky is unlikely to be a priority for Katherine Tai, the new US trade representative
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Ministers have given up hope of striking an eleventh-hour deal with the Trump administration to end crippling whisky tariffs costing the industry £30 million a month in lost exports.

Liz Truss, the international trade secretary, announced last month that Britain would suspend tariffs that were imposed on American products as part of a longstanding EU-US trade conflict.

The post-Brexit move was designed to pave the way for the US to reciprocate and drop its 25 per cent tariffs on Scottish whisky exports which have so far cost the industry more than £300 million in lost sales.

But with less than a week before President Trump leaves office the US is understood not to have tabled an offer. It means that while the UK has lifted a swath of tariffs on US products, those imposed by America on the UK will remain. Senior figures have warned that removing the taxes is unlikely to be a priority for Joe Biden’s administration.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2021, 05:04:31 PM »

I see in the news that multi millionaires Marcus Rashford & co are pressuring the government over free school meals, again.

Why don't they dip into their own pockets to pay for all the kids their so bleedin concerned about.

I am sick of this soppy socialist agenda.

Why should I, a non-millionaire, pay for other peoples kids?

I don't have children, I don't want children & I don't like children.

Poor people could always not have children, which would save them a lot of money, thus lifting them out of poverty.

If you already have children but later on can't afford to pay for your children, sell them.

If you have children, but you yourself are going hungry, eat your children.

You can't have child poverty without children, if we let the poor children starve to death, the problem solves itself.
"Ich wette, die Eltern haben es geschafft" (Mich)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2021, 05:44:59 PM »
I see in the news that multi millionaires Marcus Rashford & co are pressuring the government over free school meals, again.

Why don't they dip into their own pockets to pay for all the kids their so bleedin concerned about.

I am sick of this soppy socialist agenda.

Why should I, a non-millionaire, pay for other peoples kids?

I don't have children, I don't want children & I don't like children.

Poor people could always not have children, which would save them a lot of money, thus lifting them out of poverty.

If you already have children but later on can't afford to pay for your children, sell them.

If you have children, but you yourself are going hungry, eat your children.

You can't have child poverty without children, if we let the poor children starve to death, the problem solves itself.
What has any of this got to do with Brexit?
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2021, 06:47:37 PM »
What has any of this got to do with Brexit?

It's only a matter of time before child poverty is blamed on Brexit.
"Ich wette, die Eltern haben es geschafft" (Mich)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2021, 07:10:22 PM »
It's only a matter of time before child poverty is blamed on Brexit.
Surely Brexit will make us all hugely well off and well fed?  I thought that was the point of it.  All that lovely fish we’ve got now...
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2021, 07:18:47 PM »
Surely Brexit will make us all hugely well off and well fed?  I thought that was the point of it.  All that lovely fish we’ve got now...

Yes, they are lovely British fish & they're happier fish, now they're not European.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-fish-brexit-b1787271.html

"Ich wette, die Eltern haben es geschafft" (Mich)

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2021, 07:27:27 PM »
Yes, they are lovely British fish & they're happier fish, now they're not European.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-fish-brexit-b1787271.html
Of course they’re happy, no one can catch them now.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2021, 01:45:28 PM »
There’s no fishing in Norway for the boat Brexit forgot
January 11 2021, 12.01am
The trawler fishes for cod and haddock in what are known as distant waters. Its catch supplies 8%-12% of fish used by fish-and-chip outlets — up to about 700 tons per trip, depending on quotas. Now imports from Norway and Iceland are expected to close the gap.

“We thought it’d all be sorted, off we go back to sea,” Charlie Waddy, 62, the ship’s first mate, said. With all the talk of fishing in December’s Brexit talks, he believed the government would have had arrangements in place before quotas reset on January 1.

“The politics side of ‘It’s theirs, it’s not ours’ — all we want to do is go to work,” he said. He is concerned for his younger crew members, many with children.

As self-employed share fishermen, Kirkella crew members receive a proportion of the profits of their catch rather than a salary — and most get no help from the government while stranded on land. The Kirkella has two crews that take it in turns to make seven-week trips. One crew has been home since September, with no departure date on the horizon.

The Kirkella is stuck in Hull until Britain strikes a bilateral agreement
The Kirkella is stuck in Hull until Britain strikes a bilateral agreement
LORNE CAMPBELL
The trawler, which has a processing factory on board, is less than three years old and cost £52m. She is owned by UK Fisheries, which employs 140 people, mostly Hull locals, to fish distant waters. Its chief executive, Jane Sandell, said she hoped for a solution by the spring.

A fisherman since he was 16, Waddy supported Brexit but has changed his mind: “I think it’s the wrong decision, yes.”

Ricky Campbell, 33, a deckhand, has a two-year-old daughter, Penelope, and is living off savings. His planned wedding to Rebecca Haggitt was cancelled twice last year because of the pandemic, but he lives in hope. “I’m just waiting for that phone call to say that the lads are going out there.”

Karl Turner, the Labour MP for Hull East, has written to the prime minister to say “the industry and local leaders have been alerting the government to this for over two years, and yet here we are with no ability to fish”.

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said: “The UK’s first annual bilateral negotiations with Norway and the Faroe Islands will be concluded as soon as practicable.” It admitted the talks with Norway had yet to start.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

“Conspiracy theories exhibit a strong obsession with detail, often taking the form of highlighting a tiny piece of evidence and blowing it up out of all proportion, buttressing their claims with a display of pseudo-scholarship.  When they examine the real evidence, conspiracy theorists do not accept that minor inconsistencies come from mistakes in reporting.” Sir Richard J Evans, author and historian

Offline Erngath

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2021, 11:40:35 PM »
However the fish are much happier fish now that they are British fish according  to Jacob Reece Mogg.
And this was his reply to a serious question by a Scottish  member of Parliament  about the catastrophic  results of the post Brexit  red tape  which is devastating the fishing industry.
And anyone wonders why many Scots seek independence.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Brexit deal's been done!
« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2021, 12:26:30 AM »

I would love for there to be an independent Scotland.

The Scots are welcome to keep their alcoholism, smack addiction & ghastly first minister on their side of the border.
"Ich wette, die Eltern haben es geschafft" (Mich)