Jeremy Bamber YouTube video suggesting guilt?

[Nicholas]

Thanks, Nicholas. Short 2-3 sentence statements is the plan. Coercive control of relationships and indeed his inability to sustain any long-term relationships of any kind. Those factors could make up a couple of statements, but hard to effectively summarise. I'm not sure he was able to sustain any pre-murders relationships after his incarceration by letter or visit? Sue Ford, maybe?

Sue Ford was another of Bamber’s many victims

Have you considered looking at the behaviours of people like Scoot Lomax for example?

I think Lomax was a student around the time he first started communicating with Bamber

Have you read any of his misogynistic nonsense?

“In court Mugford commented on how she did not want Bamber being with her or touching her following the shootings, and on one occasion, three weeks after the deaths during a fit of jealousy, Mugford briefly attempted to kill Bamber. In her statement on 8th September 1985 she told:

“I begged him to stay, which he did.. I forgot to say that having arrived back at the flat on the Saturday evening, 31st August 1985, I was still upset.. I told him that I would really love to hurt him.. at one point I got a pillow and put it over his head. I took it off and he asked me why I did it and I said if he were dead he would always be with me.. I had his car keys so he couldn’t go.”
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=H8U7AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT137&lpg=PT137&dq=scott+lomax+virginia+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=E0MBPM18hX&sig=ACfU3U2O26HlJ7dZA6kF0Iwjd_hDldfpBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjiksa7gMvuAhXFUhUIHQ8fAl0Q6AEwC3oECBEQAQ#v=onepage&q=scott%20lomax%20virginia%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

[Truth SKR1]

Yes, a counterpunch against the vast ocean of YouTube propaganda is the whole intention. I'd be grateful if you could have a go at summarising his use of coercive control if you have the inclination. "Jeremy has been unable to sustain any long-term relationships from before his incarceration to the present day, despite prolific letter writing."

[Nicholas]

Yes, a counterpunch against the vast ocean of YouTube propaganda is the whole intention. I'd be grateful if you could have a go at summarising his use of coercive control if you have the inclination. "Jeremy has been unable to sustain any long-term relationships from before his incarceration to the present day, despite prolific letter writing."

Why not use something like this?

‘Coercive control is a behavioural regime & strategic pattern of behaviour in a relationship & throughout relationships to dominate, exploit & entrap’ (Laura Richards - 2021)

Bamber’s coercive controlling behaviour is a matter of public record in all his relationships

[Truth SKR1]

I didn't bother reading the Lomax book. I read he bought Bamber's nonsense about the cremations being necessary because some Christians believe they shouldn't be buried after they've had a post mortem. If he's swallowing that he'll swallow anything. He also gives credence to the conversations with someone inside the farm hoax, hearing those two things I quickly concluded I wouldn't be reading any more of his piffle.

[Truth SKR1]

I think I'd be looking to briefly summarise Bamber's specific use of coercive control (probably on Julie) and assume people knew what the term meant?

[Nicholas]

Sue Ford was another of Bamber’s many victims

Have you considered looking at the behaviours of people like Scoot Lomax for example?

I think Lomax was a student around the time he first started communicating with Bamber

Have you read any of his misogynistic nonsense?

“In court Mugford commented on how she did not want Bamber being with her or touching her following the shootings, and on one occasion, three weeks after the deaths during a fit of jealousy, Mugford briefly attempted to kill Bamber. In her statement on 8th September 1985 she told:

“I begged him to stay, which he did.. I forgot to say that having arrived back at the flat on the Saturday evening, 31st August 1985, I was still upset.. I told him that I would really love to hurt him.. at one point I got a pillow and put it over his head. I took it off and he asked me why I did it and I said if he were dead he would always be with me.. I had his car keys so he couldn’t go.”

‘Mugford briefly attempted to kill Bamber’ ?

What utter BS

[Nicholas]

I didn't bother reading the Lomax book. I read he bought Bamber's nonsense about the cremations being necessary because some Christians believe they shouldn't be buried after they've had a post mortem. If he's swallowing that he'll swallow anything. He also gives credence to the conversations with someone inside the farm hoax, hearing those two things I quickly concluded I wouldn't be reading any more of his piffle.

I’ve never read his book either but you can read parts of his book here https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=H8U7AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT137&lpg=PT137&dq=scott+lomax+virginia+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=E0MBPM18hX&sig=ACfU3U2O26HlJ7dZA6kF0Iwjd_hDldfpBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjiksa7gMvuAhXFUhUIHQ8fAl0Q6AEwC3oECBEQAQ#v=onepage&q=scott%20lomax%20virginia%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

[Nicholas]

“In court Mugford commented on how she did not want Bamber being with her or touching her following the shootings,...”

Why did Scott Lomax choose to not explore the above further ?

[Nicholas]

I think I'd be looking to briefly summarise Bamber's specific use of coercive control (probably on Julie) and assume people knew what the term meant?

Coercive control is now a criminal offence

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coercive-or-controlling-behaviour-now-a-crime

White House Farm highlights the *other* crime taking place

“Jeremy Bamber was not involved in the making of White House Farm and he has branded it a disgrace. But in the series, which is "based on extensive research, interviews and published accounts", what we get is a portrait of coercive control.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a30712041/white-house-farm-tv-murders-julie-mugford/

[Nicholas]

I think I'd be looking to briefly summarise Bamber's specific use of coercive control (probably on Julie) and assume people knew what the term meant?

Coercive control is part and parcel of Bamber’s character - it’s not something he turns off and on - it’s who he is - a coercive controller

He’s a diagnosed psychopath = power and control

[Nicholas]

Statement 4)

Police testimony indicates Jeremy called his sister a "nutter" and a "psychopath" outside the crime scene, hours before police entered the property to the scene of carnage.

Didn’t Bamber call Sheila ‘a depressive psychopath’ ?

[Nicholas]

Does anyone know when Angela Greave’s found out Bamber was also in a relationship with her sister?

And did she (Anji) know about her sister Virginia and Bamber’s relationship when she was waiting for him in the hotel in London following his murder trial or did he lie to Charles Marsden about the relationship with Virginia?

‘Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy became lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than his with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer”
(Carol Anne Lee - The Murders at White House Farm)

Wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn Bamber coerced Virginia to perjure herself during his murder trial

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11414.msg590480#msg590480

[Nicholas]

Yes, a counterpunch against the vast ocean of YouTube propaganda is the whole intention. I'd be grateful if you could have a go at summarising his use of coercive control if you have the inclination. "Jeremy has been unable to sustain any long-term relationships from before his incarceration to the present day, despite prolific letter writing."

Coercive control was made a crime in 2015

How and why do UK prisons allow offenders to commit these types of crimes from behind bars?

This http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3187.0 should have been addressed by the prison authorities - and all those responsible for protecting the public from offenders like Bamber have questions to answer

What training are prison officers, prison security, probation staff and prison governors given regarding coercive controlling patterns of behaviour to look out for - for example?

[Nicholas]

Hello, it's my first post, I've been aware of the case for a while, but the documentary "WHF The New Evidence" got me looking into it further. I spent time investigating the claims made as the programme was unbalanced in seemingly assuming a miscarriage of justice. I was disappointed to find none of the evidence was new and most of the claims were easily batted away and discredited almost a decade ago. I was dismayed to find that in a YouTube search of "Jeremy Bamber" almost all the videos are alleging a miscarriage of justice and I feel this is an imbalance that should be addressed or those interested in the case will be easily lead to the misplaced assumption of a MOJ. My idea would be a short YouTube video with white text on a black background affirming 15-20 memorable statements/evidences which point to his guilt. I have seen lists on here with proofs of Sheila's innocence. So I would like help to formulate these 15-20 short and punchy statements which would stay on screen for about 10 seconds before going to the next one. They would be one longer sentence or two short sentences in length to keep them memorable. Maybe the sources of information could be included in the first comment. This would be perhaps accompanied by some downbeat, maybe slightly sinister, ambient music, maybe by Eno or the like. I tried writing a couple but they don't sound right and I'd appreciate the help and input of some more experienced case boffins. Thanks for listening 

Is there nothing about Bamber’s 3 decades of innocence fraud?

[Truth SKR1]

There should be something about that. "For over 3 decades Bamber has perpetuated and promoted myths and lies particularly around Essex Police, his access to information, his wider family and his victims." I want the statements to be short and memorable.