Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"

[Rorschach]

as i say it is theory despite what you believe, quite a bit of a detailed one at that. She fought for her life, it said so in the appeal transcript, why no marks on him, bruises, scrapes from branches, kick marks, bite marks, anything you would leave when fighting for your life?

"defensive injuries" is very vague. Has it ever been reported Jodi scratched or bit her attacker? I don't recall anything being found in her mouth or under her finger nails.

Blocking your face from a knife attack with your arm, for example, would be considered a "defensive injury." Wouldn't leave a mark on the attacker. 

[Nicholas]

Corrine Mitchell 2010
I don't know Condom man at all. He is a different generation to me and neither of my sons knew him. I only know about him from various sources and documentation on him.

Down where I live is fine, the natives are very friendly. A few minutes up the road where I work is a different story. At the beginning it was Hell.
I got 30 caravans trashed. I got a brick through my car window, while I was driving. I got shouted and sworn at on a regular basis.
It improved after the Frontline Documenary people started to change but alas ther are still some knuckle draggers who think "The Sun" is the bible and in certain parts if you are a "Luke Supporter".....you have to watch your back.....I have a German Shepherd attached to me at all times!!!!
What I have noticed over the years is quite simple really........
Areas who read the Guardian, Scotsman etc.......safe place
Areas who read the Sun, Retard and the Mail.............not safe place!!!

sorry! I used to live in the sun area myself many moons ago, I know it can be very mixed. All it can take is a few bad families and an entire street is ruined.
Where I lived was really nice until "The family from Hell" moved in a few doors up and they made everyones lives Hell.....so we moved out!

Janines first statement said everyone was in hysterics (or words to that effect) The 999 operator confirms that when she says " The laddie is in a bit of a state.
By the time Janine gets to court she has changed her statement an told the court Luke showed no emotion.

Mias reaction (my dog):
When Luke was going up the path he was making his way to Jodis house as this was the arrangement. Mia could well have reacted on the way up but Luke would have ignored it and just told her to "come on"
When going back down the path with the family Luke told Mia "seek Jodi" as the word "seek" was used in her training. (We were being tought dog tracking by a friend of mine whose job it was , in the army, to train tracker dogs)
When she approached the 'V' in the wall she jumped up and put her front paws up against the wall and started "air sniffing".
Again the families first statements confirm this and again, by the time they are in coiurt, they deny it.
Mia didn't go over the wall. It was too high for her. Luke and Stephen helped the granny get over the wall. Janine didn't go over. She held Mia.
The family, in court said Luke turned left when he went over the wall and the prosecution said it was because he knew where the body was.
The family could not see anything at all......unless they could see through stone walls.....the wall is too high to see over.
The simple explanation for Luke going left instead of right.....he was going to where Mia was sniffing and wouldn't come away. Basic common sense really.


sorry....correction to last post
Mia didn't sniff at the 'V'...it was further down. It was the 'V' luke went to as it was the only way to get over the wall as the rest was to high.


"save me some dinner" was said to Jodis mother, not Luke. Jodi didn't speak to Luke she texted him.
Judy (Jodis mum) went into great detail about that evening and one of the things were saying how Jodi had asked her to save her some dinner.

Luke vaguely remembers a "rough sketch" shown at the trial. I spoke to him yesterday on the 'phone.

It took Luke and Stephen to eventually get granny Walker over the wall. Apparantly it was quite a task!!!

[Paranoid Android]

jeez he was 14 so what if he had 10 girlfriends, nothing sinister about that, and why no pics of Luke in said parka if he always wore it? did no one have cameras back then or was he just unlucky that every photo taken didnt include the parka he allegedly always wore? ever thought these young girls couldve been scorned having found out they were being 2/3 timed? oh I forgot theyre only kids, not at all like Luke was.

Surely the things to note in Kim's statement isn't the number of girlfriends LM had, but that she mentions the parka, and that he carried knives in it?

[interested]

"defensive injuries" is very vague. Has it ever been reported Jodi scratched or bit her attacker? I don't recall anything being found in her mouth or under her finger nails.

Blocking your face from a knife attack with your arm, for example, would be considered a "defensive injury." Wouldn't leave a mark on the attacker.

i need to read the transcripts in more detail, i havent seen anything reported about hair or nails i was just giving an example should have made that clear.

[Bullseye]

It's what I believe happened. I don't believe it was planned at all. I believe Luke lost it and the argument turned bad. Jodi tried to walk away from him and got knocked over the back of the head with something and there was a fight/struggle which Luke obviously won, and ended with Jodi being strangled. Luke would have had a knife on him anyway, according to everyone who knew him. I think his morbid curiosity took over when he found himself there with a lifeless body.

She was also tied up with her trousers, whoever did it I don’t think was planned else they would have something to tie her up IMO

[interested]

Surely the things to note in Kim's statement isn't the number of girlfriends LM had, but that she mentions the parka, and that he carried knives in it?

the parka as ive said no pics? why would you want a relationship with someone who carries knives? she didn't think anything sinister about that before the murder? why? she could just be scorned that she was 2 timed, its still not evidence really is it, its hearsay.

[Paranoid Android]

the parka as ive said no pics? why would you want a relationship with someone who carries knives? she didn't think anything sinister about that before the murder? why? she could just be scorned that she was 2 timed, its still not evidence really is it, its hearsay.

With respect, I think many people are saying that the parka and knives are evidence.

[Nicholas]

As did the girl he was cheating on Jodi with, Kimberley Thomson:

She did indeed and she’s still saying the same thing and she has my support

I don’t trust anything coming from camp Mitchell or Lean

[Angelo222]

With respect, I think many people are saying that the parka and knives are evidence.

I believe it was a green bomber jacket with orange lining he had before the murder.

[Rorschach]

She was also tied up with her trousers, whoever did it I don’t think was planned else they would have something to tie her up IMO

So it would have to be someone in the habit of carrying knives then. Another unfortunate coincidence for Luke that she was opportunistically murdered by someone who had a knife on them, while on her way to meet her boyfriend who was known to carry knives (and still had an obsession with them even after his girlfriend was so horribly injured with one.)

the parka as ive said no pics? why would you want a relationship with someone who carries knives? she didn't think anything sinister about that before the murder? why? she could just be scorned that she was 2 timed, its still not evidence really is it, its hearsay.

These were 14 year olds going through an awkward goth phase and smoking weed. Some 14 year old girls are probably attracted to the "bad boy" thing.

Notice she isn't actually saying Luke is guilty, she is just perplexed to see Corinne denying something that she knows existed. I completely believe her.

[Bullseye]

people are asking me questions i cant possibly answer unless i was there. As soon as someone new comes on this site supporting Luke all these same questions theyve fired at sandra are fired at them, why? Not everyone knows or is in contact with her, so kind of does feel like an ambush

I felt the same when I started asking questions here, but there were some valid points also so went to the blue forum as Sandra answered questions direct there, i put lots of question to her as it was really the only place to discuss without contacting her direct.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9986.0.html

[Paranoid Android]

I believe it was a bomber jacket he had before the murder.

In the comments section of the Q&A the other night, someone kept asking about LM having a parka - the question wasn't put to SL.

Kim's statement says he had a parka.

[faithlilly]

You're like a dog with a bone. It doesn't cut any mustard with me though.

Two boys in a small house and one doesn't know the other is there. Banging around in a kitchen, playing music, making phone calls. Pull the other one Faith, it's got bells on.

Luke lied and if the conviction is sound his mother lied too.  No wonder her home and business were targeted.

You do remember Mr McCafferty?  The man who died from carbon monoxide poisoning after Corinne Mitchell sold his daughter a caravan with a blocked flu?  She was sued by Mrs McCafferty for £¼ million. Is that why she had to sell the house and live in the office at Scott's Caravans?

I agree I am like a dog with a bone and there’s nothing wrong with that. What is it Voltaire said ‘ To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth.’

Shane had had a charge of perverting the course of justice hanging over his head for months, a charge that carries a sentence of several years in prison. The charge was dropped just before he gave evidence but he was warned on the stand that he may be charged with perjury, again a charge that carries a lengthy custodial sentence if the individual is convicted. Who wouldn’t testify to whatever the prosecution wanted under those circumstances?

Further who cooked dinner if it wasn’t Luke? Did Luke go out without dinner?

To be clear I think Shane’s first statement was true. That him and his mother agreed isn’t usual if it was the truth.

As to Mr McCafferty, in what way is it relevant to this discussion?

[faithlilly]

I was just reminiscing about everything that happened and the amount of time put into the case.

Did you think Simon Hall was innocent?

[Nicholas]

as i say it is theory despite what you believe, quite a bit of a detailed one at that. She fought for her life, it said so in the appeal transcript, why no marks on him, bruises, scrapes from branches, kick marks, bite marks, anything you would leave when fighting for your life?

This is also a theory