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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4785 on: November 26, 2023, 08:22:35 PM »
Scammer Sandra Lean - 22nd August 2019
The girl lived in Kenmore, which is, in fact, over two hours' drive from Newbattle, where Luke lived (for some reason, having been there many times in my younger days, I thought it was just over an hour away).

Luke still spoke with her on the phone, but they had not been together physically since New Year 2003 - he and Jodi got together around the end of March, beginning of April that year.

There was no evidence that Jodi knew about Luke's previous relationship with her and an intended holiday to Kenmore in the summer of 2003 had been cancelled by Corinne prior to Jodi's death - Luke and Jodi were supposed to be at a sleepover in Midlothian the weekend after the murder to celebrate a friend's birthday.

The judge said, at Luke's sentencing, Jodi left "joyfully" to meet him that evening. Her mother said Jodi was "chuffed" to be getting out to see Luke. Jodi indicated in her diary that she would be devastated if Luke finished with her - it seems reasonable to assume she'd be equally distraught if she found out Luke was cheating on her, yet there were no signs of her being disturbed or upset in any way on the afternoon of June 30th, before she left home.

The theory about Jodi finding out about the other girlfriend and the ensuing fight getting out of hand was dreamed up by SIO Dobbie, but the interrogating officer in the Section 14 interview on August 14th 2003 (six weeks after the murder) was trying to suggest that Luke killed Jodi in a fit of jealousy that she might be cheating on him (even though, again, there was no evidence to support such a suggestion).

So, if Luke was cheating on Jodi and she found out, what reason would there be for Luke to kill her? It's not as if they were an adult married couple where Luke potentially stood to lose property, business, money etc in a messy divorce settlement - they were 14 years old. He wouldn't have suffered any of the more extreme emotions - betrayal, devastation, etc, because he was the one doing the cheating in this scenario.

In my opinion, the only way this theory is even remotely credible is if it was the other way around and Luke discovered Jodi was cheating on him. Even then, it's very, very unlikely

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336768&page=4

There was more than one “other girlfriend”

What exactly did this “interrogating officer” say to sadistic killer Luke Mitchell in the section 14 interview on August 14th 2003 about Jodi Jones allegedly “cheating” on him?

Was “Butch” mentioned?

Jill Barnes - Facebook 6th April 2021
Butch was a nickname of a guy in her year at school, also a good friend of hers and a good friend of mine. Jodi always fancied Butch it was a known fact to all of us. Nothing ever happened between them, there was no love triangle only a crush like most girls did lol

Cath Black
Jill Barnes did she smoke weed at lunchtimes with him too do you know

Jill Barnes
Cath Black Yeah, there were a group who hung around the China Gardens. I used to go down and meet Butch some lunch times.  X

Cath Black
Jill Barnes cool so you knew jodi aswell x

Jill Barnes
Cath Black Yeah xx
« Last Edit: November 26, 2023, 08:29:30 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Dexter

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4786 on: November 26, 2023, 08:40:41 PM »
Fraudster Scott Forbes hasn’t spoken to that other fraudster Sandra Lean “for nearly a year”

Forbes claims he “encouraged” them to get copies of trial transcripts then 29 minutes later it’s because of Sharon’s ‘hatred of Sandra’ Lean

His comments seem to be arguing with himself.

Offline Dexter

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4787 on: November 26, 2023, 08:43:41 PM »
It’s all so unnecessary. Aside from anything else these people are supposed to be adults.

The transcripts, while very interesting, really don’t change the question over Luke’s guilt. Dr Lean should never, ever have been the only source by which your opnion was formed.

I agree 100 per cent with all you have stated. I haven't seen any of the transcript info, just the comments on here.
I will have a look tomorrow when I have some time

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4788 on: November 26, 2023, 08:46:27 PM »
At around 1:55 here https://youtu.be/FV5efbD5Ahk?feature=shared

James English asks what sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s alibi was

Scammer Sandra Lean comes out with her usual nonsense then stated;

Can he back that alibi up other than his mum and his brother, to an extent yes because phone calls were made from and received on the landline, and we can prove for certain where his mother was, and it was not at home, and we can prove for certain where his brother was, and it was not at home, somebody had to be in the house making calls and receiving calls on that landline


Zero calls made from the Mitchell’s landline between 4:01pm - 9:57pm (production number 202)
« Last Edit: November 26, 2023, 08:51:14 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4789 on: November 26, 2023, 10:18:01 PM »
And you replied in less than 10 minutes. That's staunch.

Dear oh dear.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Parky41

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4790 on: November 26, 2023, 11:06:10 PM »
Several of the examples in the "Transcript Comparisons" are a bit of a stretch.  For example, a German army shirt is not a parka.  For another, I thought that the solicitor was tardy in handing over the knife.  On the other hand, Shane's testimony under questioning from DF would be informative when it appears.  The transcripts change some details, but almost nothing that has appeared so far deals with what are for me the core issues of the case.  These include (but are not limited to) lack of forensic transfer between Luke, the lack of a murder weapon, and Jodi, and the abysmal way that the eyewitness testimony was elicited.

Missing the point. The transcripts and comparisons are there to show the deception not prove guilt, the bloggers making it clear their stance has always been around innocence. However, it has made them re-think, and rightly so, around everything that has been in place directly from Ms Lean and co. Which most sensible people would and should do. You like many others will see the why, of course you will, in place to gain attention and support for LM, it in no way makes it right or acceptable.

Strong points, aren't they? No forensic evidence, no murder weapon found, nothing upon the victim pointing this murder to a another, the eye witness stuff is something you simply do not hold any favour with at all. Those alone are enough for you to believe that LM is innocent (not alone), that the case could not have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. - Why therefore do you think that Ms Lean has had to lie repeatedly? More so, do you think that it has been morally right for her to do so?  I note you decried JaJ's for clarifying something in her statements, applying a clear level of dishonesty to it, but nothing of the people who have been blatantly lying about her?

JaJ's, and not leaving aside that any changes were before the Jury. Her sister has just been found dead, she is given probably one of her shortest statements to the police and notes this "everyone in hysterics" This shorter statement where one is asked to expand upon later, we know this because it says they were considerably longer. She gives descriptions then of people individually, now out of everything she has been saying, shown in court, she agrees with, but adamant that her alteration still stood, it is exactly how they all were - Why would the police want expansion on this?

Can you pull up where LM said he was in hysterics? AW, SK, emergency services, police etc? Point being, when other people witnessed something different, it fits with her clarifications, doesn't it?  Doesn't say at all that she was lying, far from it. Not to forget that DF was attempting to show something, anything from his client against the myriad of other evidence to the contrary. I'm pointing out what the Jury may have taken from those alterations. Faith and signing something off, just how much was she really taken in when handed a piece of paper to sign? Not everyone was calm and collective like LM, were they now?

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4791 on: November 26, 2023, 11:44:21 PM »
Missing the point. The transcripts and comparisons are there to show the deception not prove guilt, the bloggers making it clear their stance has always been around innocence. However, it has made them re-think, and rightly so, around everything that has been in place directly from Ms Lean and co. Which most sensible people would and should do. You like many others will see the why, of course you will, in place to gain attention and support for LM, it in no way makes it right or acceptable.

Strong points, aren't they? No forensic evidence, no murder weapon found, nothing upon the victim pointing this murder to a another, the eye witness stuff is something you simply do not hold any favour with at all. Those alone are enough for you to believe that LM is innocent (not alone), that the case could not have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. - Why therefore do you think that Ms Lean has had to lie repeatedly? More so, do you think that it has been morally right for her to do so?  I note you decried JaJ's for clarifying something in her statements, applying a clear level of dishonesty to it, but nothing of the people who have been blatantly lying about her?

JaJ's, and not leaving aside that any changes were before the Jury. Her sister has just been found dead, she is given probably one of her shortest statements to the police and notes this "everyone in hysterics" This shorter statement where one is asked to expand upon later, we know this because it says they were considerably longer. She gives descriptions then of people individually, now out of everything she has been saying, shown in court, she agrees with, but adamant that her alteration still stood, it is exactly how they all were - Why would the police want expansion on this?

Can you pull up where LM said he was in hysterics? AW, SK, emergency services, police etc? Point being, when other people witnessed something different, it fits with her clarifications, doesn't it?  Doesn't say at all that she was lying, far from it. Not to forget that DF was attempting to show something, anything from his client against the myriad of other evidence to the contrary. I'm pointing out what the Jury may have taken from those alterations. Faith and signing something off, just how much was she really taken in when handed a piece of paper to sign? Not everyone was calm and collective like LM, were they now?

Take Dr Lean out of the equation, I know it’s difficult but do try, and what have we learned so far from the transcripts? Shane Mitchell was indeed looking at porn sites and the search party all seem to have been blighted with the same amnestic syndrome.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4792 on: November 27, 2023, 01:02:00 AM »
Jill Barnes - Facebook 6th April 2021
Butch was a nickname of a guy in her year at school, also a good friend of hers and a good friend of mine. Jodi always fancied Butch it was a known fact to all of us. Nothing ever happened between them, there was no love triangle only a crush like most girls did lol

Cath Black
Jill Barnes did she smoke weed at lunchtimes with him too do you know

Jill Barnes
Cath Black Yeah, there were a group who hung around the China Gardens. I used to go down and meet Butch some lunch times.  X

Cath Black
Jill Barnes cool so you knew jodi aswell x

Jill Barnes
Cath Black Yeah xx


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Offline James_Easton

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4793 on: November 27, 2023, 01:03:53 AM »
From 'Innocents Betrayed':

"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...

In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".

A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.

If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.

Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.

Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?

https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4794 on: November 27, 2023, 01:17:44 AM »
I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters regarding a potential miscarriage of justice and simply wish the facts to be fully open, rather than a selective publication, often bearing a preconceived agenda.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4795 on: November 27, 2023, 01:21:16 AM »
I have seen some of the trial transcripts, continually being obtained, at their own expense, by prominent supporters regarding a potential miscarriage of justice and simply wish the facts to be fully open, rather than a selective publication, often bearing a preconceived agenda.

It’s yet more of the innocence fraud phenomenon - which many “miscarriages of justice” phenomenon cases/campaigns are
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4796 on: November 27, 2023, 01:22:58 AM »
From 'Innocents Betrayed':

"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...

In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".

A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.

If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.

Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.

Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?

https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/

 8((()*/
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Offline James_Easton

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4797 on: November 27, 2023, 01:52:27 AM »
Ultimately, the lamentable and so easily avoidable schism, between those who believe Luke Mitchell's conviction might be unsafe and those who believe likewise, results from the following, with trial transcripts proven to be available, albeit at a personal, financial outlay.

Conspicuously absent, unless known otherwise, is an explanation from Sandra Lean, as regards the related misinformation and any attempted reconciliation.

Surely this was and remains imperative, yet not being addressed by those, who seemingly advocate that Sandra Lean and the campaign have been betrayed, by others providing factual evidence, because Sandra Lean proclaimed it was not possible and this undermines Sandra Lean?

https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/availability-of-trial-transcripts.html



Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4798 on: November 27, 2023, 09:52:54 AM »
Ultimately, the lamentable and so easily avoidable schism, between those who believe Luke Mitchell's conviction might be unsafe and those who believe likewise, results from the following, with trial transcripts proven to be available, albeit at a personal, financial outlay.

Conspicuously absent, unless known otherwise, is an explanation from Sandra Lean, as regards the related misinformation and any attempted reconciliation.

Surely this was and remains imperative, yet not being addressed by those, who seemingly advocate that Sandra Lean and the campaign have been betrayed, by others providing factual evidence, because Sandra Lean proclaimed it was not possible and this undermines Sandra Lean?

https://lukemitchelltrial.blogspot.com/2023/11/availability-of-trial-transcripts.html

Did you read scammer Sandra Lean’s 1st innocence fraud book?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4799 on: November 27, 2023, 10:15:56 AM »
From 'Innocents Betrayed':

"Quotes scribbled on his school jotters were held up as examples of his warped interests, Satanism being one of them...

In 2007, the Frontline documentary exposed the truth – the “sinister quotes” were, in fact, lines from popular computer games and songs".

A significant omission here, is that one phrase reportedly scribbled on Luke Mitchel's school jotter cover, was 'Satan, master lead us into hell', which matches the exact lyric from a song by 'Infernäl Mäjesty'.

If associated, the full lyrics are strikingly macabre and chilling.

Not exactly just the 'line from a popular song...'.

Perhaps this is closer to, "exposed the truth"?

https://www.streetdirectory.com/lyricadvisor/song/ujlppp/none_shall_defy/


The lyric came from a song, popular or otherwise. I think the point here is that it wasn’t a product of Luke's ‘warped thinking’. It’s prejudicial value therefore must be called into question.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2023, 10:20:35 AM by faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?