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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #900 on: October 27, 2022, 05:43:40 PM »

”FIFTEEN YEARS!?!?”

“Could the conviction of Luke Mitchell be, in reality, a shocking Miscarriage of Justice?”

Was this 👆🏽really written on pretend criminologist Sandra Lean’s 2nd book cover

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #901 on: October 27, 2022, 05:45:51 PM »
“Could the conviction of Luke Mitchell be, in reality, a shocking Miscarriage of Justice?”

The REALITY is this is one of Scotland’s longest running innocence fraud phenomenon campaigns




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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #902 on: October 27, 2022, 05:52:22 PM »
Sandra Lean (Today)
Louise Reid, who's been involved with the case since the very beginning, makes an important point - in spite of the outrageous claims by JaF, the media supported the police line that there was nothing "untoward" in any of the information regarding JaF, once it emerged. Imagine Luke hadn't been convicted when the DNA match to JaF was made - what would that same media have done with that same information????



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Had deluded Louise Reid already made it common knowledge she’d been supporting this sadistic psycho killer ‘since the very beginning’ ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #903 on: October 27, 2022, 05:56:09 PM »
Stephanie Nicol
Sandra Lean also, if he “did the rest later” - why are they claiming his mother burned his jacket (and only his jacket 🤷‍♀️) at approx 6pm?
We’ve never heard that the clothes Luke was wearing when taken to the police station that night were different to the ones his friends saw him wearing.
So how has he removed all DNA from the clothes that have been taken and tested for everything necessary and come up with zilch?
When his mum has had her fire on before he’s “been back to the body”.
Trying to go down that route only exonerates Luke, in my opinion.



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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #904 on: October 27, 2022, 06:00:41 PM »
Stephanie Nicol
Sandra Lean also, if he “did the rest later” - why are they claiming his mother burned his jacket (and only his jacket 🤷‍♀️) at approx 6pm?
We’ve never heard that the clothes Luke was wearing when taken to the police station that night were different to the ones his friends saw him wearing.
So how has he removed all DNA from the clothes that have been taken and tested for everything necessary and come up with zilch?
When his mum has had her fire on before he’s “been back to the body”.
Trying to go down that route only exonerates Luke, in my opinion.



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If tests of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s clothing came up with “zilch” why was there no forensic evidence of him playing around with some of his mates in the woods?

Wasn’t he swinging on a tyre or something ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #905 on: October 27, 2022, 06:03:05 PM »
If tests of sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s clothing came up with “zilch” why was there no evidence of him playing around with some of his mates in the woods?

What forensic evidence was there to show the killer had been playing around with his mates in the abbey/woods etc?

Did forensics find the DNA of his mates on his clothing - or his mother Corinne Mitchell’s DNA or Mia the dogs saliva for example?

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #906 on: October 27, 2022, 06:10:43 PM »
Sandra Lean
Stephanie Nicol No, wait, she's also apparently burning his clothes later, while he's out "doing the rest later," since the garden fire(s) happened between 6 and 7pm and then about 9 - 10pm, after heavy rain. So, first set of clothing burning, then put out by the rain!


Would the fire service agree with pretend criminologist Sandra Lean that the rain puts out fires ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #907 on: October 27, 2022, 06:21:18 PM »
Sharon Indy Sunshine
Emma-Louise Wylie My answer for that will be a personal one, 'the media' do not want to turn because if they do it will show the fact they were complicit in naming a 14-year-old child at the time, which was instrumental in throwing him to the wolves. He had no presumption of innocence which is our right! The Sun newspaper never recovered after it came out against the victims following the Hillsborough disaster thousands of people will never buy the Sun even after all these years. They would rather make money rehashing old stories. To tell the truth means admitting they were wrong! that is why as a group we have been fighting so hard to get the 25k on the petition so it's a big achievement but the first rung on the ladder is getting the independent review in due course.


Why did callous abuser Corinne Mitchell and her killer son stage that TV interview on the day of [Name removed]’s funeral?

And why did the killer and his callous mother choose to show off their candle display and light the candles on camera?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #908 on: October 27, 2022, 06:41:38 PM »
Sandra Lean (Today)
Louise Reid, who's been involved with the case since the very beginning, makes an important point - in spite of the outrageous claims by JaF, the media supported the police line that there was nothing "untoward" in any of the information regarding JaF, once it emerged. Imagine Luke hadn't been convicted when the DNA match to JaF was made - what would that same media have done with that same information????



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Had deluded Louise Reid already made it common knowledge she’d been supporting this sadistic psycho killer ‘since the very beginning’ ?

Louise Reid
Her step father came home from work. Apparently went straight into the bathroom and heard the front door close just before 5pm. She used her mother's phone to txt luke to say, she was no longer grounded before he had arrived back from work. When luke call. The step father claimed they had just left. How does he know who "they" was when he apparently went straight into the bathroom when he arrived home.

The independent witness who seen stocky man following her also went back to the police and said she had seen the same person on the news at jodis funeral. Police never took that further. Bear in mind she didn't know the family or stocky man



Does Louise Reid believe we all possess the same sensory processing levels?

And was Louise Reid also the witness who thought she saw ‘stocky man’ following [Name removed] on the 30th June 2003?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #909 on: October 27, 2022, 06:46:09 PM »
Louise Reid
Her step father came home from work. Apparently went straight into the bathroom and heard the front door close just before 5pm. She used her mother's phone to txt luke to say, she was no longer grounded before he had arrived back from work. When luke call. The step father claimed they had just left. How does he know who "they" was when he apparently went straight into the bathroom when he arrived home.


By process of elimination Louise Reid and by using his sensory processes


Louise Reid
Yeah apparently.
I personally feel, it's a Scottish term for don't really know what time so "just left" could be anytime after he arrived home and went to the bathroom but who "they" is. Only him and [Name removed] (mother) can answer.


Already answered Louise Reid during the trial

The very same trial Allen Ovens gave evidence - which pretend criminologist Sandra Lean was oblivious too until recently

”FIFTEEN YEARS!?!?”

And she still hadn’t figured it out  *&^^&
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #910 on: October 27, 2022, 06:59:30 PM »
Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole that might be how some of us would understand "just left," but there was some discussion at appeal about how the timescale could be vastly different between different individuals - an older friend of mine, when prompted about times, would say, "in the last wee while," which could, in reality, be anything up to a couple of hours!!!!
I don't think we can generalise the use of "just left" to personal understandings of the term -  although I can see how many people would assume that to be a short amount of time, it is, still, an assumption.
Another thing we'd have to consider is AO's awareness of the passage of time. If he's come out of the loo and zoned out in front of the tv, he might not have been aware of how much time had passed when the phone rang. He hadn't eaten yet, so there would be nothing, really, for him to compare timings against.
Different, I'd say, from JuJ, who was making a meal with specific timings for specific elements of the meal - she was consciously clock watching for various things to be ready for the next stage.
Of course, I'm not saying any of this WAS the case for AO - it might actually be the case the "they" (whoever "they" are) had just left within the last 5 - 10 minutes - as with so much in this case, we just don't know!



Notice how the pretend criminologist uses the word ‘awareness’ but in relation to ‘timings’ not in relation to how AO would have been aware it was [Name removed] who ‘just left’ and not [Name removed].

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #911 on: October 27, 2022, 07:04:17 PM »
Sandra Lean
Different, I'd say, from JuJ, who was making a meal with specific timings for specific elements of the meal - she was consciously clock watching for various things to be ready for the next stage.



Bloody hell Sandra Lean - do your daughters recognise how manipulative and deceptive you are?

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #912 on: October 27, 2022, 07:07:22 PM »
Sandra Lean
Different, I'd say, from JuJ, who was making a meal with specific timings for specific elements of the meal - she was consciously clock watching for various things to be ready for the next stage.


This argument of yours doesn’t help the sadistic killer Sandra Lean

What was it you (or Corinne) or both of you said about the broccoli?

And did you ever find out who said ‘steak pie’ and who said ‘chicken pie’ and did callous Corinne tell the police she’d had prawns that night too?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #913 on: October 27, 2022, 07:11:22 PM »
Sandra Lean
“….as with so much in this case, we just don't know!”


”FIFTEEN YEARS!?!?”

Who’s ‘we’ Sandra Lean?

In the 15 (plus) years you’ve been involved in this fraud, has it never crossed your mind that in REALITY - so much in this case has become clearer for other people?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #914 on: October 28, 2022, 11:15:36 AM »
Who was the ‘friend’ of Corinne Mitchell’s who lied via the media in an attempt to pretend they were conned

"One thing she deeply regrets, though, is that television interview they gave on the day of Jodi's funeral. Corinne says Luke wanted to go to pay his respects but they were conned by the TV people and it ended up looking really bad." 3rd September 2003

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3165495.stm 20th August 2003

Audio
"” Speaking outside St David's….

Marion Docherty, said staff would be trying to ensure some sense of normality.

She said: "We are obviously sensitive to the fact that many young people and staff are still mourning the death of their friend Jodi Jones.

They'll be told to be positive, to be strong within their community and to be respectful of Jodi's family.
"


Killer Luke Mitchell and his callous mother Corinne obviously didn’t get the memo
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