"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[Nicholas]

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

That conversation may have taken place at one of their favourite hideaways, an alcove off King’s Park, Dalkeith, known locally as the China Gardens. It was a place for teenagers to gather and smoke. They lit up a joint and sat alone until a friend joined them.

Dobbie added: "I am making an informed hypothesis about how Jodi may have known that day. That in itself would certainly have been a cause for her to want to see him that night."

https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/natural-born-killer-1-1401861

What does Sandra lLean say in her book about Mitchell going to stay with KT?

[Nicholas]

Sandra Lean appears to continually suggest Mitchell was in a relationship with [Name removed] for around 5 months yet the CoA judgement suggests 3 months

Para 6
‘They began a relationship in around March 2003. From an early stage that relationship involved sexual intercourse. By June 2003 they were seeing each other most week nights, and at the weekend.

[faithlilly]

What does Sandra lLean say in her book about Mitchell going to stay with KT?

This is absolutely untrue. A holiday had been planned by Corrine where Kimberley lived which would have meant that Luke saw her. The holiday had been cancelled. Luke was intending to have a birthday sleepover at a friend’s house with Jodi on the weekend the prosecution said that Luke would have seen Kimberly.

[Paranoid Android]

If only you judged the slips and misremembering of other protagonists in the saga then you perhaps would reach a more evenhanded analysis of why the Mitchell’s recollections changed with time. The recollections of Jodi’s family are all over the place with statements changing by the day.

To the fire...the neighbour said he smelled the odour of burning around ten so why did CM wait so long to burn the clothes if, at any moment, Jodi could be found dead and the police could be at her door ?

Again and again you state claims as fact yet provided no evidence or context. Care to make your posts tidier?

Care to make your posts less passive aggressive?

[faithlilly]

Care to make your posts less passive aggressive?

It was merely a suggestion.

Perhaps if you are so affected by having your claims questioned then this might not be the place for you.

[John]

What does Sandra lLean say in her book about Mitchell going to stay with KT?

Does anyone for a second believe any of that rubbish anyway?  Sandra Lean has an agenda and that by default renders any impartiality defunct.  End off!!

[faithlilly]

Does anyone for a second believe any of that rubbish anyway?  Sandra Lean has an agenda and that by default renders any impartiality defunct.  End off!!

Of course she has an agenda....but it appears so do you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Of course she has an agenda....but it appears so do you.

The difference is - John isn't all over Channel 5 and other media trying to set free a vicious murderer.

[Parky41]

Of course she has an agenda....but it appears so do you.

No actual worries though - Lies, misleading and finger pointing will not get someone released.

I've often thought there is very much a lot of areas that go hand in hand.  This agenda?

This has not been a tireless campaign for 17yrs to get a threat to society back on the street, it has very much been a two way street.

These cases of claimed wrongful conviction have went hand in hand with much of what has been a change in career.

Ample study material spaced over a period of approx 10yrs to gain university qualifications - HND through to Doctorate.

Book material - both of which have went hand in hand with campaigning.

The latter going hand in hand with the James English podcasts - promoting the books very well.

Both books being promoted, career of what one loves doing best set in place via running an organisation -

Ms Lean not LM at the helm - this is a career in accumulative suggested MOJ's

LM being the carrot to draw in support - to pay for Ms Leans man hours in this new career?

 A goal is being achieved, good on her. - Let's not pretend this has been a selfless act for others though?

[Paranoid Android]

It was merely a suggestion.

Perhaps if you are so affected by having your claims questioned then this might not be the place for you.

I haven't had my claims questioned - possibly because I haven't made any claims.

As for your suggestion that this might not be the place for me, that's not really for you to say - I think there's a moderation team for that - I'm sure they'll be in touch if there's a problem.

Your tone is quite antagonistic - there's no need for it.

[faithlilly]

No actual worries though - Lies, misleading and finger pointing will not get someone released.

I've often thought there is very much a lot of areas that go hand in hand.  This agenda?

This has not been a tireless campaign for 17yrs to get a threat to society back on the street, it has very much been a two way street.

These cases of claimed wrongful conviction have went hand in hand with much of what has been a change in career.

Ample study material spaced over a period of approx 10yrs to gain university qualifications - HND through to Doctorate.

Book material - both of which have went hand in hand with campaigning.

The latter going hand in hand with the James English podcasts - promoting the books very well.

Both books being promoted, career of what one loves doing best set in place via running an organisation -

Ms Lean not LM at the helm - this is a career in accumulative suggested MOJ's

LM being the carrot to draw in support - to pay for Ms Leans man hours in this new career?

 A goal is being achieved, good on her. - Let's not pretend this has been a selfless act for others though?

You sound bitter.

[faithlilly]

I haven't had my claims questioned - possibly because I haven't made any claims.

As for your suggestion that this might not be the place for me, that's not really for you to say - I think there's a moderation team for that - I'm sure they'll be in touch if there's a problem.

Your tone is quite antagonistic - there's no need for it.

Of course it’s not for me to say whether this is the place for you but you do seem rather sensitive to the cut and thrust of rather benign debate.

When I began to post on this particular forum there were also several other posters prepared to argue for Luke’s innocence. Unfortunately they have since either disappeared or fallen silent. One, I know, was because of their treatment here so yes there is a need for antagonism, unfortunately.

[Paranoid Android]

Of course it’s not for me to say whether this is the place for you but you do seem rather sensitive to the cut and thrust of rather benign debate.

When I began to post on this particular forum there were also several other posters prepared to argue for Luke’s innocence. Unfortunately they have since either disappeared or fallen silent. One, I know, was because of their treatment here so yes there is a need for antagonism, unfortunately.

You're admitting that you are being antagonistic - I'll say it again - there's nae need for it.

I'm open to the possibility of Luke Mitchell being innocent, but I'm also open to the possibility of him being guilty.

You're only open to one of those possibilities - just as Dr Lean is - that's what makes her a poor academic.

[Bullseye]

I’ve always said I’m not sure one way or another which is why I fully support an independent review. There was only a couple of things that could convince either way, One of which is what Luke’s brother had to say. For me his silence is currently damaging Luke’s case. It is now in the public eye more than it has ever been, I understand if he wants to keep his privacy but all he and his father would need to do, in order not to damage Luke’s case any further, would be to have Sandra release a statement on her live chat next week saying they support Luke and the independent review but will not be involved and wish to remain private, no further statements would be made. That would clarify their stance and stop any further questions. But the fact there is currently a wall of silence sadly speaks volumes in a lot of people’s eyes.

Either way I still fully support an independent review.

[faithlilly]

You're admitting that you are being antagonistic - I'll say it again - there's nae need for it.

I'm open to the possibility of Luke Mitchell being innocent, but I'm also open to the possibility of him being guilty.

You're only open to one of those possibilities - just as Dr Lean is - that's what makes her a poor academic.

It seems to be you who are looking for a fight. Perhaps if you focus more on the case and less on me or your opinion of my posting style then we’ll get on better? Deal?

Anyhooo if you look at the case objectively and the shambles that the police made of elements as fundamental as the preservation of the body, gathering of forensics etc, etc etc then the man on the Clapham omnibus can only come to the conclusion that the case was contaminated from the beginning. The morning after he murder, as Dalkeith schoolchildren were arriving at school, Jodi’s body was still lying naked and uncovered yards from them.. How can you have any faith in the result of an investigation that was so shoddily carried out from the very beginning?