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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #255 on: March 30, 2021, 05:21:20 PM »
How do you know it didn't really happen?  As far as I'm aware, nobody has accused SL of libel.
It’s more a question of what’s the evidence that it did.
Not a handwriting expert.

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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #256 on: March 30, 2021, 06:42:48 PM »
It’s more a question of what’s the evidence that it did.

I don't believe SL would tell a deliberate and malicious lie in her book.

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #257 on: March 30, 2021, 07:22:46 PM »
How do you know it didn't really happen?  As far as I'm aware, nobody has accused SL of libel.

The police were informed in both cases.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #258 on: March 31, 2021, 05:38:57 PM »
I’ve recently read Sandra Lean has made the claim Luke Mitchell giving photographers the middle finger was a ‘malicious misrepresentation of Luke simply having his hand up to take hold of his seat belt’

Is this true?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Rusty

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #259 on: March 31, 2021, 06:00:44 PM »
I’ve recently read Sandra Lean has made the claim Luke Mitchell giving photographers the middle finger was a ‘malicious misrepresentation of Luke simply having his hand up to take hold of his seat belt’

Is this true?

You have to be kidding me?
He gave them the w@*&ker sign too. Pretty sure, there was a FU whispered as well, maybe have to watch it back. He was a nice harmless child and Heavily medicated though   8(0(*

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #260 on: March 31, 2021, 07:52:37 PM »
I’ve recently read Sandra Lean has made the claim Luke Mitchell giving photographers the middle finger was a ‘malicious misrepresentation of Luke simply having his hand up to take hold of his seat belt’

Is this true?

Have you heard this SL claim this?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #261 on: March 31, 2021, 08:06:00 PM »
Have you heard this SL claim this?

Have you heard this

The wee girl had semen on her face hands trousers trainers T-shirt bra and pants... none of that semen came from Luke Mitchell”

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #262 on: April 01, 2021, 02:50:28 PM »
Have you heard this

The wee girl had semen on her face hands trousers trainers T-shirt bra and pants... none of that semen came from Luke Mitchell”

Sandra Lean
“The problem with the Forensic results is the number of labs involved and the different labeling protocols used by each. Samples believed to be semen were found on the T-shirt, bra, underpants, trousers, shoe, face, right hand and abdomen. While many of those samples returned "no reportable results," three, labelled "semen," returned mixtures with Jodi and "unknown male(s)" - these were on the t-shirt and the bra.
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Parky41

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #263 on: April 01, 2021, 03:42:32 PM »
Sandra Lean
“The problem with the Forensic results is the number of labs involved and the different labeling protocols used by each. Samples believed to be semen were found on the T-shirt, bra, underpants, trousers, shoe, face, right hand and abdomen. While many of those samples returned "no reportable results," three, labelled "semen," returned mixtures with Jodi and "unknown male(s)" - these were on the t-shirt and the bra.


"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?

The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.

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Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
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Sandra has never claimed that semen was on the body! Where was it she said that? There is only two full profiles for identified males. The dna is so f..ked up there is even 1 labelled semen female sample!! There are a number of unidentified profiles and the problem with them is there’s no way of knowing how accurate these profiles are unless there matched to an individual, they may be all from the same male that have become contaminated and can be of no use.

"f..ked up" Indeed. Complete lack of knowledge in intricate areas of expertise?

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Firstly, thanks to the posters who have clarified the possible (probable?) explanation about the DNA results reporting that sperm and semen samples appeared female in origin. That's very helpful to know - it's been something that's baffled me (as a non-expert) for a very long time.

And for all of those years Ms Lean has punted this type of wrongful/harmful information out - Like "No Smoke" the damage is done, that horse has well and truly bolted. - Does it matter? Not at all, as it still serves that damming repetitive purpose of shifting blame onto 'An another.'

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The wee girl had semen on her face hands trousers trainers T-shirt bra and pants... none of that semen came from Luke Mitchell
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iiHEARTy0u wrote: »
The semen was found on her underwear. He was also one of a few people seen walking on the path.
D2BD wrote: »
Hi iiHEARTyOu, I havent read this before, are you sure SK was seen walking the path? GD and JoF were on the path, as were other people but I'm sure I haven't read or been told before that Kelly was. :confused:
iiHEARTy0u wrote: » This is an extract from Chapter Six by Sandra Lean

Once again, we are faced with serious anomalies in the prosecution case. Several witnesses were identified as having been on the path at the critical time that evening. In total there were a minimum of five – John [Name removed], Gordon [Name removed], his father, David [Name removed], Stephen Kelly, a witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall, and the “mystery man” seen following Jodi onto the path[/i]
« Last Edit: April 01, 2021, 03:44:42 PM by Parky41 »

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #264 on: April 01, 2021, 04:49:59 PM »
"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?

The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.

It’s looking that way  *&^^&
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #265 on: April 01, 2021, 04:56:10 PM »
Have you heard this

The wee girl had semen on her face hands trousers trainers T-shirt bra and pants... none of that semen came from Luke Mitchell”

There’s more

There were 5 guys DNA on Jodi’s body.”

”The only DNA they tested came from her body. 4 other males and 1 condom a few feet away.”
« Last Edit: April 01, 2021, 05:00:21 PM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #266 on: April 01, 2021, 05:18:18 PM »
"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?

The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.

Sandra Lean
Misinformation is not my thing’

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg382996.html#msg382996
« Last Edit: April 01, 2021, 05:21:08 PM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #267 on: April 01, 2021, 05:36:46 PM »
“Innocents Betrayed is facts from the case itself”
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #268 on: April 01, 2021, 06:42:24 PM »
"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?

The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.

Am guessing this is a page from ‘innocent betrayed’

https://twitter.com/robynkerr1991/status/1376652565677535234

“This was a 14-year-old girl, brutally murdered and there were semen deposits and/or sperm heads on her hoodie, t-shirt, bra, trousers, shoes, underwear, face and hands, yet not only the police, but also the lab personnel, seem to have accepted the presence of all of these deposits as quite normal and ordinary and then gone to extraordinary lengths (including the questionable rainwater theory) to make them so.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2021, 06:50:30 PM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #269 on: April 01, 2021, 06:59:27 PM »
"believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?

The problem is Ms Lean? These ones returned as (F) that had Ms Lean scratching her head for many years, right up until 2019, origin of source sex DNA first (F) semen. Not Jodi and unknown male at all, simply Jodi. - Already, no doubt in the book "Innocents Betrayed" - Which speaks volumes across every aspect of what Ms Lean has written and made claim to.

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"f..ked up" Indeed. Complete lack of knowledge in intricate areas of expertise?

And for all of those years Ms Lean has punted this type of wrongful/harmful information out - Like "No Smoke" the damage is done, that horse has well and truly bolted. - Does it matter? Not at all, as it still serves that damming repetitive purpose of shifting blame onto 'An another.'
D2BD wrote: »
Hi iiHEARTyOu, I havent read this before, are you sure SK was seen walking the path? GD and JoF were on the path, as were other people but I'm sure I haven't read or been told before that Kelly was. :confused:
iiHEARTy0u wrote: » This is an extract from Chapter Six by Sandra Lean

Once again, we are faced with serious anomalies in the prosecution case. Several witnesses were identified as having been on the path at the critical time that evening. In total there were a minimum of five – John [Name removed], Gordon [Name removed], his father, David [Name removed], Stephen Kelly, a witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall, and the “mystery man” seen following Jodi onto the path[/i]

‘ believed to be" - Very much on the same parallel as those multiple DNA partial profiles that were believed to be from LM. Best for Ms Lean to leave that out though?’ Care to expand or is this again one of your non-facts meant to confuse?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?