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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1020 on: November 04, 2022, 06:37:41 PM »
Matt Elliott
Right off the bat…how we ‘demonise’ people!



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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1021 on: November 04, 2022, 06:46:08 PM »
Sandra Lean
Everything I've been saying for nearly 20 years - although Dr Naughton is discussing cases in England and Wales, it all applies equally here in Scotland
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1022 on: November 05, 2022, 10:46:33 AM »
Sandra Lean
Ronnie Mothersole The "official" timeline or the actual one??? Be prepared - this gets complicated!!!
Luke was at the Newbattle entrance at 10.59pm (confirmed by phone records).
The search trio said they left AW's house just after the 11.03 phone call from JuJ. If they were still in the complex at 11.18, it had taken them 15 minutes to get there.  We don't know where in the complex they were, but, even if they were close to leaving the complex, they'd still need another 3 - 5 minutes to get to the junction of the paths.
There is one clue about where they were in the complex - when the police reconstructed their route, JaJ pointed out where they where when she took the call from JuJ - according to the police timings, that was 9 minutes into their walk. But that doesn't work either - by 9 minutes in, they're at the Mayfield end of the playing fields - there's still another 400m before they reach "the complex" (assuming they walked in a straight line). Or, alternatively, they're referring to the whole area as "the complex", in which case, they still have another 6 - 700 metres to walk before arriving at the junction of the paths. Essentially, for this "version" to be correct, they'd have to have left AW's at 11.09, which means, in turn, they wouldn't get to the junction of the paths until 11.29pm.
By 11.18, Luke would have been up the path and almost at JuJ's house.
He saw the searchers waiting at the junction of the paths when he was about 2/3 up the path - a walk of around 8 minutes - for them to be waiting for him at the junction, according to that timing, they would have to be at the junction by 7 minutes past 11 - just 4 minutes after they said they left (or 2 minutes before they left, if the 11.09 timing is correct).
I explained in my book why Luke's timings are supported - the amount of time left for getting back down the path, finding Jodi and calling the police simply isn't enough, if you use the trio's timings. If they were in the complex at 11.18, the earliest the could have reached the junction is 11.22pm - they had to wait for Luke to reach them, then have the discussion about something of Jodi's for Mia to scent, the double check, etc, then set off slowly back down the path, stopping to poke about at poly bags in the undergrowth, etc, (slowly is their description, not mine), Mia reacting, Luke doubling back and going over the wall, JaJ and SK coming "running back" to the V, SK going over and coming back, then helping AW over, all in 13 minutes. If we take the 11.09 time of leaving, there's just 6 minutes left for all of that to happen - they couldn't even get to the V point in 6 minutes!
However it's manipulated, the phone logs bracket either end of this piece of the puzzle!
Just for interest's sake, I checked the route they claimed to take - it's a little over 1500m, so would take, on average, 15 minutes - for it to have taken 20 mins, they were walking slower than average.




Yes looks like it is

“Luke was at the Newbattle entrance at 10.59pm (confirmed by phone records)”

How did phone records place the killer Luke Mitchell anywhere at a certain time?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1023 on: November 05, 2022, 02:18:12 PM »
Sandra Lean
Kirst Smith Michele Scott You also have to remember how much time the police had to convince the family that their (the police’s) theory was correct - and to convince the family’s recall, right at the most horrifying time of their lives


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The same family she has many of her followers accusing of being responsible for killer Luke Mitchell’s murderous crimes

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1025 on: November 05, 2022, 02:50:16 PM »
Sandra Lean
Everything I've been saying for nearly 20 years - although Dr Naughton is discussing cases in England and Wales, it all applies equally here in Scotland


On Sonia Poulton and her interview with liar and grifter and innocence fraud pusher Michael ‘Numpty’ Naughton

Eddie Thomson
Watched there Sandra, but she is a poor interviewer ,but the cases sound as if they should be overturned. I have always  thought Bamber was innocent especially for his love of his sister ,great video xx hope I find you well my friend xx

Sandra Lean
Eddie Thomson Why do you think she is a poor interviewer?

Eddie Thomson
Sandra Lean I thought she just listened and didn't ask any questions ,unlike you who doesn't hesitate to ask ,also you seem well versed on the subject she didn't seem to know much about the Bamber case ,maybe it's me sorry if I've upset you xx

Sandra Lean
Eddie Thomson No, not at all! I was just interested in why you thought she was a poor interviewer. The complexity surrounding MoJs is enormous and I know Sonia has done a lot of research - sometimes, it's more "productive" (in terms of getting out the sort of information people need to know) to just let guests  speak, without too much interruption. Other times, as you point out, asking questions is essential - I guess it comes down to what the intrview is trying to achieve.
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1026 on: November 05, 2022, 05:49:45 PM »
Ailie Wallice
Can I just clarify what ages the moped boys were at the time? Read somewhere that they were 19? Surely that would make them the "moped men" rather than boys?
Wonder if referring to them as boys instead of men was done deliberately to diminish the possibility of their involvement...

Geraldine Dunn
An interesting point , who really in reality was the drug dealer out of 14 year old Luke and JF age 19 the amount of transference in this case is crazy but it would possibly in the minds of the public or some that they were young, only boys so it could intentionally/unintentionally reduce attention because if it was moped men at the very  point of where  Jodi was murdered by their own admission and at  the very time the prosecution case say Jodi was murdered , young girl obviously sexually motivated in some ways why would she be naked apart from her socks , why would parts of her body be mutilated that would connect a sexual tone and why would she be naked if it was not to do with some type of deviant sexual motive , logic didn't win this one either as Lothian and Borders police changed their opinion on this detail, changing it to not sexually motivated , 😕I just don't get it .✌⚖
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1027 on: November 06, 2022, 07:10:04 PM »
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Sandra Lean now promoting that other liar, gouger and innocence fraud pusher Michael Naughton from Bristol university


Sandra Lean
I know we have a separate thread for other cases, but this is not so much about other cases as the processes within the CJS that lead to wrongful convictions playing out over and over again!!!
I think you'll find what Dr Naughton has to say here will sound very familiar!!!!


Part 19p - Latest on Michael Naughton of Bristol university
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/06/why-doesnt-michael-numpty-naughton-of-bristol-university-use-the-case-of-wrongly-convicted-actually-factually-guilty-killer-simon-hall-a-case-which-also/
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation


Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1030 on: November 08, 2022, 12:09:23 PM »
Un-convicted child killer Billy Middleton did a sponsored run on a treadmill apparently for convicted killer Darren Martin - what happened to the money he raised for that - where are the receipts?

Sandra Lean
‘If you send a cheque for £15 made payable to wronglyaccusedperson: Darren Martin Appeal to”

“I'll send you a copy of the book - we can discuss how you'd like me to personalise it when we speak.’

‘Thank you so much, both for helping with Darren's appeal and agreeing to the phd interview ’


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12082.msg650649#msg650649

Also included in Sandra Leans thesis

KU KLUX KLAN RAPIST TRAPPED 16 YEARS ON
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ku-klux-klan-rapist-trapped-574289.amp

Man is accused of rape 16 years ago
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8085789.man-is-accused-of-rape-16-years-ago/
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Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1032 on: November 08, 2022, 01:17:30 PM »
Ssheryl Ooribine
𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐚 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐠𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐋𝐮𝐤𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡, 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐃𝐚𝐡𝐥𝐢𝐚, 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐲𝐧 𝐌𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐧, 𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝. 𝐇𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧'𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐠𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐭𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐞𝐰𝐬𝐩𝐚𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐡𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐮𝐩 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫. 💔

Matt Elliott
This is a major part of the 'issue'. How can anyone receive a fair trial in these circumstances, let alone a child.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #1033 on: November 08, 2022, 01:37:28 PM »
Ssheryl Ooribine
𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐚 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐲𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐠𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐰𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐋𝐮𝐤𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐭𝐚𝐧 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐚 𝐆𝐨𝐭𝐡, 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐃𝐚𝐡𝐥𝐢𝐚, 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐥𝐲𝐧 𝐌𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐧, 𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐝. 𝐇𝐞 𝐝𝐢𝐝𝐧'𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐠𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐭𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐧𝐞𝐰𝐬𝐩𝐚𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐡𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐮𝐩 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫. 💔

Matt Elliott
This is a major part of the 'issue'. How can anyone receive a fair trial in these circumstances, let alone a child.


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Is Ssheryl Ooribine

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzKwUlZsMo

Sunshine playz   
The writing in his school jotters where quotes from a popular video game at the time so again this is false information. And I cannot stress enough Luke Mitchell was not into MARILYN MANSON!!! Omg yous have just fell into the trap of believing everything the media has printed!! I can't believe your saying if your into Nirvana you must be very angry omg are you even listening to yourselves..I love Nirvana so does that mean I have anger issues?? Let me ask you something have you even put the work in into finding the real truth into this case?? Yous are sitting here laughing about Luke and his mother..Shame on yous!!! Do you think if Luke went home covered in blood that this could be cleared up??? The door handles would have had blood on them and here is where your totally wrong because Luke was forensically examined straight after Jodi was found and it's reported by police Luke was UNWASHED and his hair was GREASY so how on earth did he brutally murder Jodi and not be washed and not have a single droplet of blood on him??? Your the evil one laughing at someone wrongfully convicted who had there life snatched from them and laughing and making snide comments about there Mum,Dr Sandra Lean and Scott Forbes. Would you admit to a murder that you didn't commit? I know I wouldn't. Justice For Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones ⚖️⚖️ The truth always comes out!!!!


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https://twitter.com/SsherylO8313/status/1580097546596519937

And if so is she aware of YouTube’s policies?
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