"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[Nicholas]

But her statements were from July '03 and September '03 -- before the knife was purchased. (The article doesn't state if it was September '03 or '04 due to a misprint.) Unless Mitchell had purchased or acquired another knife between July '03 and September '03.

The second statement must have been 04’ - just before the trial.

I wonder what Laura Wightmans opinions are now?

Does anyone know?

Does she still think psycho killer Luke Mitchell is ‘innocent’?

[Kenmair]

The second statement must have been 04’ - just before the trial.

I wonder what Laura Wightmans opinions are now?

Does anyone know?

Does she still think psycho killer Luke Mitchell is ‘innocent’?

Do any of LM's former friends or family think he is 'innocent' apart from CM? Or is it just people who didn't know him but seem to think they do?  Luke this, Luke that, poor wee laddie, just a child etc.

[faithlilly]

Do any of LM's former friends or family think he is 'innocent' apart from CM? Or is it just people who didn't know him but seem to think they do?  Luke this, Luke that, poor wee laddie, just a child etc.

So you didn’t post this :

“ The same 14 year old boy who had history of threatening at least 3 other girls with knives. I think he is a psychopath - do they have motives?”

Do you know him?

The psychiatrist who examined Luke before his trial stated that he displayed no symptoms of any psychiatric disorder. Do you have any training at all in psychiatry?

[Nicholas]

What did Philip Mitchell tell the police about his killer son Luke Mitchell’s missing Jack Pyke brown handled knife and Jack Pyke leather knife pouch - does any one know?

Jodi murder accused 'was seen with knife’ - 24th November 2004
“Miss Coutts, who now lives in Shetland with her father, told the court she used to live in Edinburgh with her mother before moving north in March of last year.

She said the sister of her mother's boyfriend's lived with Mitchell's father in Livingston and that she would sometimes visit the house.

The witness was shown a brown knife and confirmed to the court that she recognised it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328257/Jodi-murder-accused-seen-knife.html

And was it the sister of Ashley Coutts mothers boyfriend who bought killer Luke Mitchell the Marilyn Manson calendar?

Did she and Philip Mitchell get married?

[Nicholas]

Also - does anyone know when killer Luke Mitchell last stayed at his father Philip Mitchell’s house over the weekend?

He definitely didn’t stay over with his father the weekend before his murder

[Nicholas]

The psychiatrist who examined Luke before his trial stated that he displayed no symptoms of any psychiatric disorder. Do you have any training at all in psychiatry?

The same psychiatrist who psycho killer Luke Mitchell told  he was smoking 2oz of cannabis a week?

“….the equivalent of 40 joints a day, or nearly 300 perweek”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409362.jodi-boy-friend-smoked-300-cannabis-joints-a-week-teenagers-boast-to-psychiatrist-in-doubt/

[Kenmair]

So you didn’t post this : Yes

“ The same 14 year old boy who had history of threatening at least 3 other girls with knives. I think he is a psychopath - do they have motives?”

Do you know him? Thankfully not

The psychiatrist who examined Luke before his trial stated that he displayed no symptoms of any psychiatric disorder. Do you have any training at all in psychiatry? Yes.

I'm not sure how your remarks relate to my question. I was asking if any of his friends/family support him now?

Under the current Mental Health Act, I would expect him to examined by at least 2 qualified professionals independent of each other before any formal diagnosis could be made.  However, psychopathy is not a recognised diagnosis, rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.

LM's behaviour at the time of the murder and industrial use of cannabis would certainly fall into the psychopathy bracket.

Psychopathy:  a tendency to blame others, a lack of fear and being cold-hearted, poor judgment and failure to learn from experience, pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love, lack of remorse or shame, impulsivity, grandiose sense of self-worth, pathological lying, manipulative behaviour.

“Making a clinical diagnosis of psychopathy is rather hard, actually". Erikson, T (2012).

[Nicholas]

LM's behaviour at the time of the murder and industrial use of cannabis would certainly fall into the psychopathy bracket.

Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour - from at least the age of 12 - was already showing signs of psychopathy

"When he was 12 he threatened his then girlfriend with a knife because she refused to have sex with him. The incidents went on. When he moved to St David’s High, a music teacher found him trying to throttle another pupil and he was sent to an educational psychologist. He refused the expert’s help.”

http://www.scotsman.com/news/natural-born-killer-1-1401861

Miss van Nuil told how she was at first mesmerised by Mitchell and how he wooed her with romantic text messages.

But she brought the relationship to an end after he followed her into the cadet hut one night and threatened her with the knife. She told the Scottish Daily Mail: 'He used to wear a balaclava and pull it up over his head like a hat.

'We were at cadets in May when I went into the hut on my own. The instructors were out having a cigarette with the other cadets. I was messing about with the blackboard and I didn't hear Luke coming but there was suddenly an arm around my neck.

'I got a glimpse of him as I looked back and he had pulled his balaclava over his face. He then put a knife to my throat and said I would be dead if I moved an inch.

'I was really scared and couldn't move.

He was so strong. I couldn't move my arms but I kept nipping his knees with my fingernails and begging him to let me go. He kept me like that for about a minute.

'When he put the knife down I turned to face him and he said, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry." He tried to pretend it was a joke but my neck was red and I was genuinely scared. I was crying my eyes out.' Mitchell never returned to cadets after the attack. A month later he strangled 14-year- old Jodi and cut her throat.

Miss van Nuil regrets not telling her parents Angela, 39, and Bill, 55, about the attack until after the murder.

She said: 'I never knew Jodi but when I found out Luke was her boyfriend I knew straight away that he had done it. I told my dad what happened in the cadet hut and he called the police.

'They came around and took hours of statements but I was never called to court.

Kara Van Null gave evidence to the police - ‘hours of statements’ - prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s arrest for his murder

Why does ‘lawyer’ Sandra Lean choose to dismiss these girls evidence and serious allegations and massive red flags?

[Nicholas]

For a 12-year-old to be involved in knife crime he must have some serious issues.

Who bought 12 year old Luke Mitchell his knife/knives?

Holding a knife to a females throat at the age of 12 is not normal behaviour

[Kenmair]

Sadistic killer Luke Mitchell’s behaviour - from at least the age of 12 - was already showing signs of psychopathy


Kara Van Null gave evidence to the police - ‘hours of statements’ - prior to killer Luke Mitchell’s arrest for his murder

Why does ‘lawyer’ Sandra Lean choose to dismiss these girls evidence and serious allegations and massive red flags?

Hybristophilia?  Has SL ever defended a convicted female killer?

[Nicholas]

Hybristophilia?  Has SL ever defended a convicted female killer?

Hybrisophilia does appear to be more prevalent in those working within the field of ‘criminology’ than eslewhere

We need to stop our caged killers getting fan mail from groupies
‘Having worked with a number of high profile, media-savvy offenders in prison I became immediately aware of the phenomenon known as hybristophilia – the sexual interest that some women have for those who have committed violent crimes.

‘Think of any recent serial killer or murderer and I guarantee you that they will be receiving sack loads of admiring letters from women – and a few men – desperate to visit, and start up a relationship

I remember one prisoner who had been convicted of a string of bank robberies, jokingly sharing his fan mail with other prisoners on his landing as a form of light relief.

Last month the Danes introduced a law to ban life-sentenced prisoners from receiving fan mail from new pen pals, and limiting their contact to friends that they had had before they were convicted for the first 10 years of their sentence.

As the Danish justice minister Nick Haekkerup said when introducing the bill, convicted criminals “should not be able to use prisons as dating centres, or media platforms.”

‘All of this also begs the more general question of where hybristophilia comes from – what is it that ­motivates some women to want to establish a ­relationship with someone who has committed a violent offence?

Is this ­something to do with the fact those who begin this type of ­relationship believe they can see the true – the “real” – person, and not just the offence, or is it perhaps that they just have low self-esteem and cannot form a relationship with someone who is not behind bars?

I think that it is also significant that a number of the women that I am aware of in similar ­relationships in this country used that relationship with a violent offender to promote their own careers, or to garner book deals..

 David Wilson - who wrote the above (and many other ‘criminologists’’) - don’t appear to recognise the possible hybristophilia of those individuals in the ‘criminology’ field

And because David Wilson also fails to recognise and address the very real innocence fraud phenomenon - which he also promotes - he writes articles like the above choosing to omit to mention his ‘colleagues’ like Sandra Lean

David Wilson has also used his relationships with ‘violent’ offenders to ‘promote’ his own ‘career’ and to ‘garner book deals’ (I have never read any of his books). ‘Signs of murder’ appears to be yet more innocence fraud.

[faithlilly]

I'm not sure how your remarks relate to my question. I was asking if any of his friends/family support him now?

Under the current Mental Health Act, I would expect him to examined by at least 2 qualified professionals independent of each other before any formal diagnosis could be made.  However, psychopathy is not a recognised diagnosis, rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.

LM's behaviour at the time of the murder and industrial use of cannabis would certainly fall into the psychopathy bracket.

Psychopathy:  a tendency to blame others, a lack of fear and being cold-hearted, poor judgment and failure to learn from experience, pathological egocentricity and incapacity for love, lack of remorse or shame, impulsivity, grandiose sense of self-worth, pathological lying, manipulative behaviour.

“Making a clinical diagnosis of psychopathy is rather hard, actually". Erikson, T (2012).

This is what you posted:

“Or is it just people who didn't know him but seem to think they do?

You described him as a psychopath having never met him.

As to your psychiatric expertise, being able to google doesn’t count as ‘expertise’

You posted:

‘ However, psychopathy is not a recognised diagnosis, rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.’

But look:

‘ Psychopathy’ is similarly not a diagnosis, but rather a term that has been introduced to indicate whether a person had crossed a threshold on one of a number of possible psychopathy scales.’

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/overarching-guides/magistrates-court/item/sentencing-offenders-with-mental-disorders-developmental-disorders-or-neurological-impairments/

Wow! I’m a psychiatrist!

[Nicholas]

Hybristophilia?  Has SL ever defended a convicted female killer?

Could David Wilson also ‘suffer’ from hybristophilia?

[Nicholas]

What did Philip Mitchell tell the police about his killer son Luke Mitchell’s missing brown handled Jack Pyke knife and leather Jack Pyke knife pouch?

Anyone know?

‘Asked by Alan Turnbull QC whether she had seen it in Mitchell's room at his dad's house, she said: "Yes," adding that the knife she remembered seeing was "identical" to the one she was being shown.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-328257/Jodi-murder-accused-seen-knife.html

[Nicholas]

Innocence fraud pusher David Wilson - who wrote the above (and many other ‘criminologists’’) - don’t appear to recognise the possible hybristophilia of those individuals in the ‘criminology’ field

And because David Wilson also fails to recognise and address the very real innocence fraud phenomenon - which he also promotes - he writes articles like the above choosing to omit to mention his ‘colleagues’ like Sandra Lean

David Wilson has also used his relationships with ‘violent’ offenders to ‘promote’ his own ‘career’ and to ‘garner book deals’ (I have never read any of his books). ‘Signs of murder’ appears to be yet more innocence fraud.

Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
I am feeling ridiculously pleased with myself - finally tracked down the keyboard warrior who was always reviewing my books on Amazon as 1* - uncovered who he was (he used a pseudonym) found his work telephone  number and then called him!
1:14 PM · Apr 3, 2023

Mark
@Doc_Wynn
Replying to
@ProfDavidWilson
Genuine question...
What if his genuine opinion was that they (your books or anybody's for that matter) weren't very good?
Where does an author stand in regards to this kind of thing?
1:22 PM · Apr 3, 2023

Prof David Wilson
@ProfDavidWilson
Replying to
@Doc_Wynn
You accept that your books don’t appeal to everyone - that’s fine.  However when the reviews are personal and not professional that’s another matter.
1:39 PM · Apr 3, 2023
https://twitter.com/ProfDavidWilson/status/1642863131293523970


What a moron!