"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[faithlilly]

[quote author=Rusty link=topic=11976.msg706901#msg706901

Anyway, this, from the resident troll, made me chuckle. It is always best to do one's homework...
So. With a little bit of effort, research and some common sense. Yes, i absolutely believe a small country B road that is 1.5 miles long has no CCTV.

Need to do better.


If only DF had done his job better and got the 2 witnesses that saw a mystery man, following Jodi and another mystery witness spotting the moped at the V in the wall from almost half a mile away. If only he'd got all this plus this CCTV footage and CellPhone data then LM might be a free man drinking afternoon tea with F'Lilly etc.

As far as I'm aware the NB Road still does not have cameras. It's a country road that our resident troll would know about after claiming to be familiar with the area and crime scene.

As far as you know?

You seem to know as much about CCTV cameras in that area as Findlay’s opinion on Luke as the murderer.

[Rusty]

Lean is now accepting donations via Paypal for her ongoing 'casework' after her BuyMeACoffee campaign was cancelled for breaking their terms.

Casework, haha, i'm getting a good chuckle tonight. The case is closed, it is done and dusted. No solicitor with any credibility will touch it.

But not surprised, been on the grift since the WAP days. Pulling on heart strings and spouting sensationalized nonsense. As well as playing the victim. Amazing how people fall for it, without question.

[faithlilly]

So what have i missed. I guess i need a catch-up on Leans con. Then again, maybe not, same old recycled nonsense getting spouted.



Anyway, this, from the resident troll, made me chuckle. It is always best to do one's homework, and this once again proves how very little this particular poster knows about anything. Making things up, trying to sensationalize, as well as trying to re-write history.

The B703 (Newbattle Road) Is a minor road, connecting the B6482 from the village of Newtongrange to the B6392 Eskbank roundabout, it is around 1.5 miles in length and is tree lined on both sides the majority of the way. A country type road if you like.
Now in the early 2000's, maybe somebody can correct me, with evidence of course, that minor B road's, in the back of beyond of a couple of villages in Scotland, let along any B road in Scotland, CCTV to monitor such roads was not exactly a priority. Not even in 2023 the connecting Eskbank roundabout has no CCTV, quite a busy wee roundabout in its own right.

So. With a little bit of effort, research and some common sense. Yes, i absolutely believe a small country B road that is 1.5 miles long has no CCTV.

Need to do better.

So the only CCTV cameras in the area were at Morning, Noon and Night and on Ovens route home.

Not one CCTV camera on Bryson’s route from the supermarket to her ‘sighting’?

And none on the route or at the supermarket that Walsh and Fleming were heading towards when they saw their ‘sighting’? That could have given a more accurate timeline.


Okkkaaayyyy!

[Rusty]

So the only CCTV cameras in the area were at Morning, Noon and Night and on Ovens route home.

Not one CCTV camera on Bryson’s route from the supermarket to her ‘sighting’?

And none on the route or at the supermarket that Walsh and Fleming were heading towards when they saw their ‘sighting’? That could have given a more accurate timeline.


Okkkaaayyyy!

You got caught out once again. So easy.

Long main road 

But i'm curious, since you know it all, what was the supermarket called? Where exactly was it? And what route exactly did Flemming & Walsh take that day from start to finish. 

[faithlilly]

You got caught out once again. So easy.

Long main road 

But i'm curious, since you know it all, what was the supermarket called? Where exactly was it? And what route exactly did Flemming & Walsh take that day from start to finish.

I don’t pretend to know everything and I don’t need to.

What I do know is that if L&B police could, through CCTV footage, find the route taken home of both Corrine and Alan Ovens they could certainly have found the route taken by Bryson and Walsh by the same method. Not only the route but the timeline too.

That they didn’t either look or, more worryingly, did look but didn’t disclose the information to the defence, raises some serious questions.

[Rusty]

I don’t pretend to know everything

So with that said. You continue to promote the innocence of a convicted murderer.


As you say..

Okkkkkkayyyy

[faithlilly]

So with that said. You continue to promote the innocence of a convicted murderer.


As you say..

Okkkkkkayyyy

And as I’ve said before every individual who has had their murder conviction quashed, after multiple appeals sometimes, was a convicted murderer at some point.

Or do you believe that juries always get it right?

[Chris_Halkides]

So with that said. You continue to promote the innocence of a convicted murderer.

"Dogged investigation by APPEAL, including twice taking GMP to court, brought the disclosure failings to light many years after the trial...After APPEAL commissioned DNA testing which revealed the presence of male DNA which could not have come from Mr Malkinson in several other samples from the victim and her clothing, the CCRC in 2022 finally arranged a search of the National DNA Database."  If I understand this passage correctly, APPEAL.org also put up money for DNA testing for this convicted rapist, until he wasn't.

[Rusty]

And as I’ve said before every individual who has had their murder conviction quashed, after multiple appeals sometimes, was a convicted murderer at some point.

Or do you believe that juries always get it right?

That Chris rabbles on about other cases, no one cares. It is snore scroll past nonsense. If you want to discuss other case's, open up a thread elsewhere and discuss with someone who cares.

Now can we get back to the Mitchell's. We have come to the conclusion, that you do not know much of anything and make it up as you go along, however I'm specifically interested in Luke's statement's he gave to the police that was read out in full in court. Why is Lean hiding this statement from the people? I'm sure you can give her a nudge and wink, to get this statement uploaded to the web ASAP.

[Chris_Halkides]

That Chris rabbles on about other cases, no one cares. It is snore scroll past nonsense. If you want to discuss other case's, open up a thread elsewhere and discuss with someone who cares.

Now can we get back to the Mitchell's. We have come to the conclusion, that you do not know much of anything and make it up as you go along, however I'm specifically interested in Luke's statement's he gave to the police that was read out in full in court. Why is Lean hiding this statement from the people? I'm sure you can give her a nudge and wink, to get this statement uploaded to the web ASAP.

I talk about things that illustrate the many problems with this case, provided that one is willing to read, to ruminate, and to reconsider in the light of new evidence.  As to your second paragraph, you should know as well as anyone else that transcripts of court proceedings cannot be published in full.  Why do you and others keep making this kind of absurd request?

[Kenmair]

As far as you know?

You seem to know as much about CCTV cameras in that area as Findlay’s opinion on Luke as the murderer.

If you knew the area then you would know if there were cameras - have you been? Findlay will give his opinion in private in the right setting. Maybe you also have a friend in the Cowdenbeath Miners Welfare. The fact is, DF, with all his legal ability, couldn't get anywhere near a not guilty verdict.

[faithlilly]

If you knew the area then you would know if there were cameras - have you been? Findlay will give his opinion in private in the right setting. Maybe you also have a friend in the Cowdenbeath Miners Welfare. The fact is, DF, with all his legal ability, couldn't get anywhere near a not guilty verdict.

Cameras at Morning, Noon and Night, on Alan Ovens route home and nowhere else. Is that what you’re trying to tell us? Not one camera on either route taken by Bryson or Walsh? No cameras at the supermarkets? You really don’t need to know the area to know that that can’t possibly be true. The only question is did the police simply not retrieve the footage or did they hide it from the defence?

Findlay did give his opinion. We all read it.

It was a majority verdict. We have no idea how close Findlay got to a not guilty verdict.

[Rusty]

I was not typing to you, i was typing about you. But if you insist.

I talk about things that illustrate the many problems with this case

Your source is not transparent with the very little material they have. They use such material, to sensationalize, manipulate, and to implicate other innocent people. Waffling on about other cases, that will be unique in their own right, trying to compare one with another to reinforce one's opinion, that it is the same for all, is quite frankly absurd.

and to reconsider in the light of new evidence.

No new evidence has ever come to light, since the trial.

Why do you and others keep making this kind of absurd request?

Think you are getting a wee bit confused here, Chris. What is absurd, is taking the word of 2 very dodgy untrustworthy characters, without question.

[Rusty]

have no idea

That was figured out a long time ago.

[faithlilly]

I was not typing to you, i was typing about you. But if you insist.

Your source is not transparent with the very little material they have. They use such material, to sensationalize, manipulate, and to implicate other innocent people. Waffling on about other cases, that will be unique in their own right, trying to compare one with another to reinforce one's opinion, that it is the same for all, is quite frankly absurd.


No new evidence has ever come to light, since the trial.

Think you are getting a wee bit confused here, Chris. What is absurd, is taking the word of 2 very dodgy untrustworthy characters, without question.

How do you think legal precedents are created?