"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[Chris_Halkides]

These experienced officers sometimes get a hunch. Their instincts were that something was off about LM himself, and his inconsistent stories. DNA isn't the be all and end all. This case proved that. The DNA was from a laundered shirt; it was a degraded sample and not a fresh deposit (they would have been able to tell if it was a fresh deposit, even though it was left out in the rain for some 8 hours). It would have been widely reported had it been a fresh semen deposit. If it was on the body, then it got there by rainwater diffusion through the laundered t-shirt. SK was effectively ruled out by scientific facts and a solid alibi by his father and Janine herself (as well as other things). Why does Janine still alibi him in the present day? Why wasn't LM screaming and shouting when that guilty verdict came through? He was calm all throughout the entire ordeal, was he not? LM was no shrinking violet. Why no emotion from him if he was innocent?

It is an axiom of DNA profiling that the existence of a profile does not provide information on how or when it was transferred.  DNA that is partially degraded gives what is called a ski slope appearance; the peaks in the electropherogram become smaller as one moves left to right.  A sample that is degraded sufficiently cannot be a complete profile for that reason; the peaks on the right (representing the longest pieces of DNA) will have disappeared.

There was an insightful study of DNA transfer using a video camera, circa 2013 (first author was Goray IIRC).  Short of that, I cannot imagine how one would prove a particular hypothesis of DNA transfer.  The police theory asks one to believe that one person would borrow someone else's t-shirt when that person lived nearly a mile away.  That is unexpected.

[Chris_Halkides]

Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson, via Bob Woffinden’s 2016 book The Nicholas cases

Can you provide a page number?

[Nicholas]

Did Laura Wightman’s witness statement say she had become estranged from killer Luke Mitchell?

The media reported that Laura Wightman had given a police witness statement in July 2003 and September, by which point she was in a relationship with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell

In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi’s best friend, described how Mr Mitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend and often hugged her in public.

However the 15 year old had criticised Mr Mitchell after he bought a knife after Jodi’s death.

Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and September were read in court after the jury were told the girl was too ill to give evidence. 

Laura Wightman would have had to have made another police statement after the two statements mentioned above as the replacement knife was not purchased until December 2003

“She described herself as really close to Jodi and also “best mates” with Luke”

Was Laura Wightman being honest in her earlier July 2003 statement or was she already in an intimate relationship with killer Luke Mitchell?

[Chris_Halkides]

Can you expand on this, Nicholas? What incriminating DNA from LM was found at the locus? I thought there were only some markers found, from semen on her bra, which matched some of the markers in LM's genetic profile and that it was deemed as innocent transfer because it wasn't fresh semen and because of the fact he and Jodi were in an intimate relationship?

How would it have been possible to deconvolute one profile from a three-person mixture, especially given that the profiles were incomplete?!  In particular how would it have been possible to do so without also deconvoluting the other two profiles (yet those two individuals have never been named publicly to the best of awareness).  If Ms. Urey simply compared Luke's profile to the three-person mixture (as opposed to deconvoluting the profiles), then she engaged in suspect centered analysis, which is universally deemed not acceptable in DNA profiling.

[Nicholas]

In a police statement, Laura Wightman, Jodi’s best friend, described how Mr Mitchell was affectionate to his girlfriend and often hugged her in public.

However the 15 year old had criticised Mr Mitchell after he bought a knife after Jodi’s death.

Passages from statements she gave to police in July 2003 and September were read in court after the jury were told the girl was too ill to give evidence. 

Laura Wightman would have had to have made another police statement after the two statements mentioned above as the replacement knife was not purchased until December 2003

“However, she also described how she “went radge” when she discovered Mr Mitchell was buying a lock-knife sometime after Jodi’s death”

When exactly was Laura Wightman referring to?

If the above statement about going “radge” was from Laura’s July or September 2003 witness statement, then sadistic killer Luke Mitchell was planning to replace the knife he had committed his murder with sooner than December 2003

“I told him it was really disrespectful,” she said. Mr Mitchell, she claimed, replied: “it was only for cutting weed,”

The detectives asked her in September if Mr Mitchell had ever done or said anything to make her suspect he had been involved in Jodi’s death. Laura told them, “No, I would - see - if he did tell me I would have killed him there and then and it would be me sitting in the jail now”

Was the above statement by Laura Wightman referring to September 2004 as opposed to September 2003?

[Nicholas]

How would it have been possible to deconvolute one profile from a three-person mixture, especially given that the profiles were incomplete?!  In particular how would it have been possible to do so without also deconvoluting the other two profiles

Are you referring to rapist Andrew Malkinson or killer Luke Mitchell case?

[Vertigo Swirl]

No I know that the police didn’t search any property connected to the Jones family. I don’t make claims on a hunch.

You say that having a violent history does not make you a murderer but at the very least it should make you a prime suspect. Unfortunately again he wasn’t checked out thoroughly or if he was that information was not disclosed to the defence.

Out of interest (and I genuinely don’t know the answer) did this individual go on to have a record of violent crime committed after the murder? 

[Parky41]

Out of interest (and I genuinely don’t know the answer) did this individual go on to have a record of violent crime committed after the murder?

No, and what has been put out about him pre-murder could not be further from the truth. That bog standard application of taken a fragment of truth and building it into a lie. Those transparent tactics to make people doubt the integrity of the victims family testimony. No criminal past pre murder nor after it.

The fragments of truth they take from statements and so forth show just how thoroughly investigated he was and eliminated. To now make wild claims (predictable) that his history was "hidden" from the defence.

They claim there were no statements taken from him to then refer to a statement, forgetting their own lies. Which is constant.

The knife in the skip with the broken blade, those claims it was "hidden" (Throw in a word and it makes it all believable, yawn). The parka jacket from a house, those claimed "hidden" samples (That word again) Knife in skip with broken blade they say with blood upon it! And as we know splashed all over the media at the time, tested and nothing of the victim upon it. In the forensic reports as was the Parka!

Blood, knife handle with broken blade - partial profile - unknown male 5

- (SL)

[faithlilly]

No, and what has been put out about him pre-murder could not be further from the truth. That bog standard application of taken a fragment of truth and building it into a lie. Those transparent tactics to make people doubt the integrity of the victims family testimony. No criminal past pre murder nor after it.

The fragments of truth they take from statements and so forth show just how thoroughly investigated he was and eliminated. To now make wild claims (predictable) that his history was "hidden" from the defence.

They claim there were no statements taken from him to then refer to a statement, forgetting their own lies. Which is constant.

The knife in the skip with the broken blade, those claims it was "hidden" (Throw in a word and it makes it all believable, yawn). The parka jacket from a house, those claimed "hidden" samples (That word again) Knife in skip with broken blade they say with blood upon it! And as we know splashed all over the media at the time, tested and nothing of the victim upon it. In the forensic reports as was the Parka!
- (SL)

Unless you were involved in the investigation, which would suggest a particular bias, the prosecution team, again which would suggest bias or you know the family intimately, which would also suggest a particular bias, then you have no way of knowing the information you claim above. That’s simply a fact.

That you bang on about other’s dishonesty while indulging in some of the most heinous examples yourself appears to suggest that your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[Chris_Halkides]

LM was not forensically examined all over, another myth. Hair sample taken, finger nails and appearance noted. Gordo tried the nonsense with all sorts showing up from river water. And even IF, and that is a mighty IF, anything had been picked up, he was out and about in the woods, river with the boys for over an hour - Empty nonsense yet again.

His clothes were taken and tested.

[Kenmair]

No, and what has been put out about him pre-murder could not be further from the truth. That bog standard application of taken a fragment of truth and building it into a lie. Those transparent tactics to make people doubt the integrity of the victims family testimony. No criminal past pre murder nor after it.

It's hypocritically ironic the number of convicted criminals who support LM and who timid SL associates with while playing the victim.

Forbes the misogynist convicted armed robber, James Mitchell convicted killer, Danny Kelly convicted knife criminal, Mr Patter convicted knife criminal, James English convicted woman beater, various sexual offenders who attend protests and throw in Billy Middleton if you want too. Joe J turns up at to have a word at SL's door and it's the crime of the century - or someone mentions her work van and it turns into a death threat. Get a grip!

[Vertigo Swirl]

Unless you were involved in the investigation, which would suggest a particular bias, the prosecution team, again which would suggest bias or you know the family intimately, which would also suggest a particular bias, then you have no way of knowing the information you claim above. That’s simply a fact.

That you bang on about other’s dishonesty while indulging in some of the most heinous examples yourself appears to suggest that your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

So what you’re saying is, either you have all the facts at your disposal and are biased or you are ignorant.  LOL. Which one are you Faithlilly?

[Chris_Halkides]

Violent rapist Andrew Malkinson, via Bob Woffinden’s 2016 book The Nicholas cases

I read an article (via the Wayback machine) about Mr. Malkinson that was written by Bob Woffinden, and it had no mention of such profiles.  Can you quote a sentence or two and give a page number?  Thanks in advance.

[Nicholas]

I read an article (via the Wayback machine) about Mr. Malkinson that was written by Bob Woffinden, and it had no mention of such profiles.

Is that the one where violent rapist, parasitic predator & convicted fraudster Andrew Malkinson attempted to gaslight and further abuse his victim & pretended his attack & rapes didn’t happen & his victim had made everything up?

The same one which that grifting innocence fraudster Jon Robins deleted from his justice gap website?
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[Parky41]

It's hypocritically ironic the number of convicted criminals who support LM and who timid SL associates with while playing the victim.

Forbes the misogynist convicted armed robber, James Mitchell convicted killer, Danny Kelly convicted knife criminal, Mr Patter convicted knife criminal, James English convicted woman beater, various sexual offenders who attend protests and throw in Billy Middleton if you want too. Joe J turns up at to have a word at SL's door and it's the crime of the century - or someone mentions her work van and it turns into a death threat. Get a grip!

Gullible people Kenmore around the fairy story of [Name removed]'s?- The story telling in that visit to her door, one must be seriously disappointed no others happened for they really did like making a meal of it. It is a crock of BS.

Here is a wee jig on that visit. Opens the door to a threatening stranger, he only has his eyeballs showing. She has no way of recognizing him, he tells her who he is, but still has no way of knowing if this is him or not. Gets in this "violent" knowledge of him and chats with him. He was so threatening, she did not shut the door, tell him to leave or she would call the police, she offers to go fetch the case papers to go through them with him. - Threatening my backside. It again is predictive nonsense, the start of implanting that seed around the victims family.

She goes to the police they go to the male. What does the male do, the one who was fully disguised up to the eyeballs? He is honest, admits the visit to her door. Not interested in the fantasy and fallacy. SL and this really is class, identified the male, the one where all she saw was his eyeballs - Remarkable eyes? She claims a friend was behind the door who at no point had to intervene with this threatening stranger, I do wonder, did they pop along to the police station with SL, surely not the accurate version, as above, no charges brought. No doubt advised to not return which he has obviously not done - Does not fit the image portrayed about him at all, does it now? The claimed, unpredictable monster type thing! - Makes for a story though all the same!

SL says she had to flee her home, that the police may have been tracking her phone, took herself in a camper van into some car-park whilst security was being fitted to her home. Security she claims in-case anyone else should give her trouble (zero), but no security already in place for those sensitive case papers! Papers stored in a spare room of a council estate home! I believe Mayfield does not have the best reputations to boot also. - NB, there are NO directions to SL's house in this, Mayfield comprises of thousands of homes.