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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4770 on: November 26, 2023, 07:55:19 AM »
Hopefully Rachel Roll will listen back to what she’s said and give some serious thought to all the nonsense she’s been sold

Referring to Craig Debbie - Rachel Roll stated;

…when you read the, the news, and the, the, the police done a lot of media briefings which were translated into newspaper articles and you can almost clearly see a sort of divide, so, on the very, the first two weeks want it, you have erm can’t remember his actual name but he’s eh a uniformed officer, so he’s not CID, so he’s talking about erm giving the kids at the Newbattle school, giving them alarms, personal alarms doing all the safety kind of things, make sure the communities looked after erm and they’ve got the divers in they’re doing all this, all the sort of forensic things that you would expect to see but then when that goes back to the CID investigation team, which is erm, not actually that big, you have your main investigator at the top and then you’ve got erm different officers as well, so that gets translated back to them and they decide what to do with that information and if their going down, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson, see when, if you imagine that you’ve got your on the beat bobbies and that, talk to the community, discussing things with them and then you’ve got your CID and the command centre, they’re actually investigating Marilyn Manson and Marilyn Manson’s obsession with the black dahlia, they’re going down that route whilst they’re been getting all the information that they should be getting and acting on it, so you’re talking about, you’re talking about over 300 uniformed officers stopping people on the street actually doing erm, uh I can’t remember the word for it, when you stop the cars, roadblock, over 300 officers doing that speaking to like everybody in that area, can you imagine the amount of information that comes from that, and what Craig Dobbie, I’m just going to mention him, that’s the senior investigating officer, what he decided was pertinent from those peoples statements was did Luke, did Luke Mitchell like Marilyn Manson, what music did he like, you can see them, you can see this sort of undercurrent, if you are aware that, if you look at the newspapers, looking at it that Luke’s innocent, you can actually see that story emerge, it’s like two stories there isn’t it, and it’s a thread through all the early articles   

 *&^^&

Rachel Roll
@Raicheruu
Anyone in Wales get yourself along to this...Michael O'Brien is an excellent speaker. After having so much taken from himself, the amount he still has to give others astounds me everyday! ⚖️💪
@W_S_T_F_L_M
@WeKnowTheyKnow1
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MIchael OBrien One of the Cardiff Newsagent Three
@michael73798531
Nov 22
I will be doing a talk on miscarriages of Justice at the festival in Swansea this weekend and highlighting Lukes case and giving out bookmarkers ect I will be wearing my Luke Mitchell t shirt to highlight his plight. Hope to raise as much awareness as I can.
2:16 PM · Nov 22, 2023


Rachel Roll murderer Michael O’Brien never “cleared” his name like it has been claimed by some parts of the lying mainstream media

Michael O’Brien, his brother-in-law Ellis Sherwood and their pal Darren Hall’s murder convictions were quashed following technicalities of the law

Nothing whatsoever to do with them not having been responsible for their attack on Philip Saunders

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http://swplive.blob.core.windows.net/wordpress-uploads/S731-Report-Operations-Fortitude-and-Resolute-finalised.pdf

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https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2000/3.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4771 on: November 26, 2023, 09:01:44 AM »
Witnesses who gave evidence during sadistic murderer Luke Mitchell’s trial

1. Leonard Kelly
2. Judith Jones
3. Janine Jones
4. Alice Walker https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/alice-walker-full-transcript-131204.html
5. Steven Kelly https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/steven-kelly-full-transcripts.html
6. Allen Ovens
7. Ronald Miller
8. Craig Dobbie
9. John [Name removed]
10. Gordon [Name removed]
11. Susan Ure
12. Anthony Busuttil
13. Rosemary Walsh
14. Lorraine Fleming - snippet https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html
15. Carol Heatlie
16. Marion O’Sullivan
17. Derek Hamilton
18. Andrew Holburn
19. Dean Houston
20. Grant Elliot
21. Ashleigh Coutts
22. Kimberley Thomson
23. Andrina Bryson
24. Shane Mitchell https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html
25. Corinne Mitchell - snippet https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html
26. Dc Alan Towers
27. Dc Stephen Quinn
28. Dc George Thomson
29. Robert Gilhooly,
30. Matthew Muraska
31. Rachel Quinn
32. Alexander Hamilton
33. Keith Campbell
34. Michelle Tierney
35. Alistair Leitch
36. David High
37. David Tullock
38. Michelle Lindsay
39. Derek Scrimger
40. Alan Murray
41. Mark Heron
42. Natalie Wright
43. Raymond McCloy
44. James Aitken
45. Patricia Frankland
46. Nicholas Frankland
47. George Ramage
48. Geraldine Mackie
49. Chemistry teacher who commented on killer Luke Mitchell looking like a “hooded monk” in his now missing khaki green parka style coat
50. Maths teacher
51. DI William Cravens
52. Laura Wightman - paragraphs from Laura’s July 2003 & September 2004 witness statements read to jury
53. Dc Brian Melrose
54. The witness who was an employee for the firm of solicitors representing killer Luke Mitchell
55. Colin - a manager from Flip Inc
56. Ben Sole
57. DI Tom Martin
58. Dc Rory Hamilton
59. David Stirling
60. David Suttie
61. Derek Morris
62. Pathologist report for defence
63. Dc Adam Brunton
64. Jonathan Whitaker
65. Pc Anita Dow
66. Dc Stephen Livingston
67. DI Tom Martin
68. Dr Kranti Hiremath
69. Pc Fraser Gaffney
70. Mahasweta Roy
71. Jill Barnes
72. Former partner of Leonard Kelly
73. Friend of David Tullock

Who’s missing from this list

Gemma Chapman aka Freddie Gren has apparently claimed she also gave evidence during killer Luke Mitchell’s trial
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4772 on: November 26, 2023, 10:22:05 AM »
Snippets from Lorraine Fleming’s testimony have been published here 👇https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/transcript-comparison-notes.html


Donald Findlay: Can you just begin please by helping us with one or two details just to get them clear in my mind, if nobody else’s Miss Fleming. Can you begin by looking for us on screen production 174, photograph K. Now that what I think you referred to as (incomprehensible) yes?

Lorraine Fleming: Yes

Donald Findlay: Newbattle Road?

Lorraine Fleming: Yes

Donald Findlay: And there is a wooden gate on the right hand side as part of a post and wire fence, as members of the jury can all see yeah?

Lorraine Fleming: Yes



Lorraine Fleming referred to the old wooden gate - a photo of which can be viewed here 👇


Killer Luke Mitchell: False Alibi (Part 8)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/22/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-8/

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4773 on: November 26, 2023, 11:57:32 AM »
Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Why do we criticise the press and tabloids for being unreliable sources for facts, but at the same time willingly attach unquestioning trust to second-hand information provided by one individual?
1:00 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Val Young
@Val540749
So do you now think Luke is guilty?  Or are you just in the huff with Scott and Sandra so trying to discredit them?  Do you think you’re helping Luke?  I see your true colours now your point scoring as you want attention. Your no justice seeker your just an attention seeker
10:55 AM · Nov 26, 2023

https://twitter.com/Val540749/status/1728729154168971595
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4774 on: November 26, 2023, 12:11:12 PM »
Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Val, Sharon Young was I believe stopped from visiting luke so turned into smearing Sandra who I've not spoken to  for nearly a year. Now they think bc they have transcripts(that I encouraged them to get) they will highlight wee discrepancies to gain attention. They have no desire
11:01 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Val Young
@Val540749
Yes it’s very clear they are attention seeking clearly have no desire to help Luke. No one is interested in the transcripts we all know the trial was a complete farce
11:08 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Sharon Young has a subscribed channel that I didn't speak on. Wow
11:13 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
1. It doesn't matter whether you personally are interested in the transcripts - you don't get to speak for others. You are completely ignoring the fact that we were told they weren't available when they are (why?) - by someone who professionaly, should know those processes.
11:14 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
2. As someone who has invested years of time and energy in to this campaign, I have every right not to be happy at the fact I've been regurgitating misinformation - the transcripts don't correlate exactly with what we've been told. Of course I will point that out.
11:17 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
It's interesting that you are only willing to accept information if it has come from one of the two campaign leaders - you've even felt the need to tag one. He has blocked me, just so you know :)
11:21 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
I'm onto those using my name on here to smear me. Last week it was luke knife this week Alice and 'just did'....I repeated that after 3people that were at trial said that verbatim. Then Alice in her statement said thats how she knew to start at Rowans Dyke. 😉
11:11 AM · Nov 26, 2023
https://twitter.com/AuldM/status/1728733104683004030

Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Because they attention seeking trolls. Imagine using Alice W to smear anyone 🤣 the trial itself is corrupt as f, but sharron in her hatred of Sandra leads them to trial transcripts to help luke 🤣🤣🤣
11:30 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Ana Easton another one. Never met or spoke to them but up she pops with her family in tow. These people are out to be 'important' and happy to keep a man in the jail
11:35 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Heather Brunt
@Truth4Luke
Their hatred for two ppl who've worked hard to fight for luke for 20years oozes out of their posts.
11:52 AM · Nov 26, 2023

Scott C Forbes
@AuldM
Sharron was 'oh Scott thank you so much' not long ago. Told her I wasn't doing it for her. This is her response. A yr ago I had top kc, Forensic team, name and location of swabs, politicans, tabliods and because I left because of groups like this I think it's all disappeared
11:54 AM · Nov 26, 2023
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Offline Dexter

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4775 on: November 26, 2023, 12:17:58 PM »
So many lies in one place. They all seem to want to self sabotage!

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4776 on: November 26, 2023, 12:34:07 PM »
So many lies in one place. They all seem to want to self sabotage!

Fraudster Scott Forbes hasn’t spoken to that other fraudster Sandra Lean “for nearly a year”

Forbes claims he “encouraged” them to get copies of trial transcripts then 29 minutes later it’s because of Sharon’s ‘hatred of Sandra’ Lean
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Offline Dexter

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4777 on: November 26, 2023, 01:06:40 PM »
Not sure what to say other than I'm shocked as to what I keep reading on here.

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4778 on: November 26, 2023, 04:20:47 PM »
Alice Irvine was in an episode of “Convicting A Murderer” & is part of “foulplay - a group of Steven Avery & Brendan Dassey supporters” mentioned here at around 34:50 https://youtu.be/xuPhRlTceX0?feature=shared

Alice Irvine 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@AliceIrvine3
(1)I am sick and tired of the f..kING BULLSHIT drama in the Luke Mitchell community and the Steven  and Brendan community 😒 we are all supposed to be fight for the injustices of these men 😒 instead we are fighting amongst ourselves IT NEEDS TO STOP !! No-one is better than the
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023

Alice Irvine 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@AliceIrvine3
(2) Other.. the name calling is ridiculous and childish 🙄 I AM NOT HERE FOR THAT. I am here to support the guys anyway I can.
Calling Sandra & Scott names DOSE NOT HELP
Saying the transcripts won't help Luke. Yes, that may be TRUE, but it will help others who want to...
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023

Alice Irvine 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@AliceIrvine3
(3) Understand the trial process and what happened there. I only say this because of experience in the Steven and Brendan case reading those transcripts was eye-opening. YES, some don't care about them. That is FINE, but others do, and that is FINE.. 🙂
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023

Alice Irvine 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@AliceIrvine3
(4) I am NOT here to take SIDES.
I am NOT here to FIGHT with anyone.
I am NOT here to ARGUE with anyone.
I am NOT here to call people NAMES.
I AM HERE IN THESE COMMUNITIES TO TRY AND HELP GET JUSTICE FOR JODI JONES & LUKE MITCHELL...
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023

Alice Irvine 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@AliceIrvine3
(5) I AM HERE TO TRY AND HELP GET JUSTICE FOR STEVEN AVERY & BRENDAN DASSEY. No matter how long it takes and it may take years, but I will try and be there till the end, so please STOP with the infighting with each other IT'S NOT HELPING any of the guys PERIOD on any side.
3:42 PM · Nov 26, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
There should never have been any drama about transcripts - I only let people know they were available. Dr Sandra Lean didn't have to then publicly tell people they weren't available, when they are. If highlighting facts is considered drama, something isn't quite right there...
4:02 PM · Nov 26, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Fighting for justice isn't a set road though Alice,  if those who ask questions and highlight concerns and inconsistencies in the popular narrative are branded as [ censored word ]s and simply causing 'drama', maybe that should raise some red flags...
4:06 PM · Nov 26, 2023

Ana Justice
@AnaJusticeLM[Name removed]
Also, I've never personally called anyone any names - challenging information and narrative is a different thing.
4:08 PM · Nov 26, 2023
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4779 on: November 26, 2023, 04:42:19 PM »
Not sure what to say other than I'm shocked as to what I keep reading on here.

It’s all so unnecessary. Aside from anything else these people are supposed to be adults.

The transcripts, while very interesting, really don’t change the question over Luke’s guilt. Dr Lean should never, ever have been the only source by which your opnion was formed.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4780 on: November 26, 2023, 05:24:21 PM »
Several of the examples in the "Transcript Comparisons" are a bit of a stretch.  For example, a German army shirt is not a parka.  For another, I thought that the solicitor was tardy in handing over the knife.  On the other hand, Shane's testimony under questioning from DF would be informative when it appears.  The transcripts change some details, but almost nothing that has appeared so far deals with what are for me the core issues of the case.  These include (but are not limited to) lack of forensic transfer between Luke, the lack of a murder weapon, and Jodi, and the abysmal way that the eyewitness testimony was elicited.
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Offline Kenmair

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4781 on: November 26, 2023, 06:56:44 PM »
It’s all so unnecessary. Aside from anything else these people are supposed to be adults.

Dr Lean should never, ever have been the only source by which your opnion was formed.

As one of Lean’s staunchest supporters, would you say she may have lied and mislead people? A true criminologist would argue both sides, not defend her position of supporting her friend’s son unconditionally, and should never been taken seriously in the first place. 

Maybe Ana Justice is the real criminologist here, but it won’t appeal to the banner making protesters who slavishly follow SL without question.

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4782 on: November 26, 2023, 07:04:35 PM »
As one of Lean’s staunchest supporters, would you say she may have lied and mislead people? A true criminologist would argue both sides, not defend her position of supporting her friend’s son unconditionally, and should never been taken seriously in the first place. 

Maybe Ana Justice is the real criminologist here, but it won’t appeal to the banner making protesters who slavishly follow SL without question.

“ one of Lean’s staunchest supporters”. Do grow up.

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Kenmair

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4783 on: November 26, 2023, 07:08:37 PM »
As one of Lean’s supporters, would you say she may have lied and mislead people?

And you replied in less than 10 minutes. That's staunch.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean
« Reply #4784 on: November 26, 2023, 07:37:33 PM »
Helping To Fight For Justice For Luke Mitchell
@SsherylR8313
You mean the thousands of supporters that Sharon helped get when she created and built from scratch the very first and only "OFFICIAL" Luke Mitchell group on Facebook not to mention the work she done off it while recovering from a heart attack but she still worked non stop. She had the group at almost when she left.
4:37 AM · Nov 21, 2023

Justice for Luke Mitchell and Jodi Jones
@SharonIndy_[Name removed]LM
Thanks, Sheryl yeah the group was at almost 9.2 when I left the projection was 10k by July as I was bringing in those tedious welcome posts with 30-40 people a week. It's now at 8.9k
12:43 AM · Nov 24, 2023
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