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Offline faithlilly

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #75 on: March 24, 2021, 09:20:23 AM »
If it wasn’t for your second sentence, I would have believed you. Has he honestly told people you know and trust that his brother is guilty?

Desperate times !
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Brietta

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #76 on: March 24, 2021, 09:23:03 AM »
If it wasn’t for your second sentence, I would have believed you. Has he honestly told people you know and trust that his brother is guilty?

Actions speak louder than words and Shane's actions (or lack of) since giving his testimony at the trial would allow a particular presumption to be made.
Three people in the Mitchell house know what went on there in the immediate aftermath of Jodi's horrible death ~ Shane is one of them.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Bullseye

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #77 on: March 24, 2021, 09:24:51 AM »
I’ve been asking about Shane for years and it’s always the same reply, one side saying he freely admits his brothers guilt and the other side saying he supports his brother but is not involved in the campaign. We can not take anyone’s word for it and now Sandra is point blank refusing to discuss Luke’s brother or dad, which appears she has been told not to or decided best not to speak about them. You can’t help wonder why. This is the most publicly the case has had in years and for them to stay quiet at this time, I’m sorry to say, looks bad on Luke as now everyone is asking and wondering if they believe his innocence. A simple one line statement is all it would take if they do support him. If they don’t then silence speaks volumes to me.

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Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #78 on: March 24, 2021, 10:33:17 AM »
I’ve been asking about Shane for years and it’s always the same reply, one side saying he freely admits his brothers guilt and the other side saying he supports his brother but is not involved in the campaign. We can not take anyone’s word for it and now Sandra is point blank refusing to discuss Luke’s brother or dad, which appears she has been told not to or decided best not to speak about them. You can’t help wonder why. This is the most publicly the case has had in years and for them to stay quiet at this time, I’m sorry to say, looks bad on Luke as now everyone is asking and wondering if they believe his innocence. A simple one line statement is all it would take if they do support him. If they don’t then silence speaks volumes to me.

You may well be right.  On the other hand, they might just want to keep well away from any publicity about the case.

Whether they believe in his innocence or not has little bearing on whether or not he is innocent or guilty, IMO.

If Shane believes his brother is guilty, why doesn't he say so? 
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Offline Bullseye

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2021, 11:18:38 AM »
You may well be right.  On the other hand, they might just want to keep well away from any publicity about the case.

Whether they believe in his innocence or not has little bearing on whether or not he is innocent or guilty, IMO.

If Shane believes his brother is guilty, why doesn't he say so?

I agree and after everything both Sandra and his mum have been through with threats etc I totally understand them wanting to keep out of it all. But the fact remains this is currently in the public eye, therefore so are they. They don’t need to get involved, only confirm they believe luke to be innocent and support the independent review. That would help Luke case maybe get more support and notice, also stop so many questions maybe. If Shane believe Luke is guilty why would he come forward publicly to admit this. It would cause so much pain and humiliation for his mum, why would he do that. Luke is in prison, if Shane thinks he is guilty he is where he should be. No need to say anything.
You are right it does not prove anything what they believe. But it would help as they are the people who knew him best. What they remember would also be of interest, What does Shane remember about that evening. Do they remember him having a parka before the murder. But no way we will find out the answer to that either I don’t think. It’s just my opinion by staying silent it is undoing the good work Sandra and his mum have done for years and now finally getting notice for. I have always been on the fence, not able to make my mind up on his innocence or guilt, Shane’s silence is pushing me over the fence toward guilty for the first time in the 10 years I’ve been looking into this case.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #80 on: March 24, 2021, 11:58:56 AM »
I agree and after everything both Sandra and his mum have been through with threats etc I totally understand them wanting to keep out of it all. But the fact remains this is currently in the public eye, therefore so are they. They don’t need to get involved, only confirm they believe luke to be innocent and support the independent review. That would help Luke case maybe get more support and notice, also stop so many questions maybe. If Shane believe Luke is guilty why would he come forward publicly to admit this. It would cause so much pain and humiliation for his mum, why would he do that. Luke is in prison, if Shane thinks he is guilty he is where he should be. No need to say anything.
You are right it does not prove anything what they believe. But it would help as they are the people who knew him best. What they remember would also be of interest, What does Shane remember about that evening. Do they remember him having a parka before the murder. But no way we will find out the answer to that either I don’t think. It’s just my opinion by staying silent it is undoing the good work Sandra and his mum have done for years and now finally getting notice for. I have always been on the fence, not able to make my mind up on his innocence or guilt, Shane’s silence is pushing me over the fence toward guilty for the first time in the 10 years I’ve been looking into this case.

So what people seem to want is for Shane to answer questions that, if important, the police would have asked him 18 years go.

If you haven’t read Sandra’s book can I ask you that you do. Shane was treated appallingly by the police. Questioned aggressively for 6 hours without access to legal counsel. He faced a jail sentence for simply telling the truth. We don’t know if even now he has been warned that if he tells the truth now he will be charged with perjury. If that’s the case who can blame him for staying quiet?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Bullseye

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #81 on: March 24, 2021, 12:09:16 PM »
So what people seem to want is for Shane to answer questions that, if important, the police would have asked him 18 years go.

If you haven’t read Sandra’s book can I ask you that you do. Shane was treated appallingly by the police. Questioned aggressively for 6 hours without access to legal counsel. He faced a jail sentence for simply telling the truth. We don’t know if even now he has been warned that if he tells the truth now he will be charged with perjury. If that’s the case who can blame him for staying quiet?

I have read Sandras book, Shane’s treatment by the police and in court was disgusting. I’m not asking him to say anything about the case, although I’d love if he did, all I’m asking is he confirms he supports Lukes case and the independent review.

Offline Bullseye

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #82 on: March 24, 2021, 12:30:05 PM »
He may be estranged from his family for all we know, got away from it all and managed to get on with his life. Last thing he wants is to be dragged into all this again. But imo If he is not sure it was Luke, Like many of us, then imo he is being selfish by not speaking out on his support of an independent review, if He has managed to get on with his life, his brother has been locked up for almost 20 years, this could be Luke’s best chance to be heard. If on the other hand he thinks Luke is where he should be then he should keep quiet and get on with his life and I wish him all the best for the future.

Offline Parky41

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #83 on: March 24, 2021, 12:50:45 PM »
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Re: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003
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The "original wording" of Shane's statement was not as it has been posted here. Indeed, the whole watching porn thing did not even arise until April 2004, so it couldn't possibly have been mentioned in any of the original statements.

Shane's first statement was pretty straightforward - it was just an ordinary evening until he heard Jodi was missing, and then within a couple of hours, that she was dead. He had no recollection of the earlier part of the evening - nothing unusual had happened, so nothing stood out for him. Initially, he said that Luke had "probably" been in, because Luke cooked the dinner, so Shane assumed he would have done so on the Monday evening - he just couldn't remember anything about i
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"probably"   - That is pretty much it from that first statement, the word "probably"  Of course Luke was "probably" in at some point, stands to reason.

Simple fact is though, that when this statement had been taken SM did not see his brother that Monday evening around dinner time, nothing now can change that. "he just couldn't remember anything about it."

He didn't simply regain his memory when his mother put the notion in his head around the "burnt pies"

IF SM had been absolutely sure of seeing his brother, even after prompting by his mother - there is nothing that would have stopped him from making this clear in abundance. IMO. From then until the present day, not to suddenly appear out of the woodwork and make these claims now? 

There you have it - one of the most important factors as to why suspicion fell upon LM.

Of LM asking his mother if Shane was there?  as they hadn't really thought about being asked that?

Did LM and CM with having no previous dealings with the law - fall at this very first hurdle with believing/hoping that by simply saying the two of them were together having dinner that this would simply be enough.

Remember the time frame if LM is Jodi's killer.

He meets with his girlfriend - whatever happens in the ensuing time that results in murdering her, first and foremost he needs a story.

That first phone call at 5.32pm - Reality being here that he does not know what may still be on Jodi's mother phone, certain though that she will have known Jodi was going to meet with him.

I don't buy into this "why alert" to the fact she is missing - there simply is no choice here, that phone call has to be made, there is no answer and he has to phone back - it needs to be known that he is "wondering where she is?"

The phone call and answer is done - Where Mr Ovens states he said "she has left to meet you" then nothing for the remainder of the evening - speaks volumes. IMO

Of a girl whom was prohibited from walking  this path alone - to LM knowing this, yet keeping well back from it after 5.40pm

Remember how well hidden this girl has been left - If there had been a report of her been missing at this point, how serious would it have been taken?

Half an hour or so late from meeting with her boyfriend around dinner time?

The time frame for police coming, statements as so forth -

The chance of her being discovered - out of his hands, yet hidden well enough? 

Yet - when reported missing at 10.49pm that evening she was found some 40mins later ?

The first person to offer to search Roansdyke path is LM? 

Offline Nicholas

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #84 on: March 24, 2021, 01:02:45 PM »
The court heard Luke Mitchell gave a statement to police on 4th July 2003 claiming he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother...’
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12408308.jodi-trial-brother-alone-in-house-court-hears-porn-admission/

Full para

The court heard that Luke Mitchell gave a statement to police on July 4, 2003, claiming he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening. He has previously told police he was at home until 5.30pm or 5.40pm

Excerpt from one of Luke Mitchell’s police statements
She liked that top, she like, she bought some of her own stuff, I mean, the clothes, the cords, jeans, she was wearing on Monday night. I think they were borrowed off her sister.”
« Last Edit: March 24, 2021, 01:15:36 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #85 on: March 24, 2021, 02:05:30 PM »
I have read Sandras book, Shane’s treatment by the police and in court was disgusting. I’m not asking him to say anything about the case, although I’d love if he did, all I’m asking is he confirms he supports Lukes case and the independent review.

Truly what difference would it make? Make a few internet posters who doubt Luke’s innocence believe in him? TBH if by now you don’t believe that the case against Luke was not proven beyond reasonable doubt then I don’t think you’ll ever believe that his conviction is unsafe.

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2021, 02:11:03 PM »

"probably"   - That is pretty much it from that first statement, the word "probably"  Of course Luke was "probably" in at some point, stands to reason.

Simple fact is though, that when this statement had been taken SM did not see his brother that Monday evening around dinner time, nothing now can change that. "he just couldn't remember anything about it."

He didn't simply regain his memory when his mother put the notion in his head around the "burnt pies"

IF SM had been absolutely sure of seeing his brother, even after prompting by his mother - there is nothing that would have stopped him from making this clear in abundance. IMO. From then until the present day, not to suddenly appear out of the woodwork and make these claims now? 

There you have it - one of the most important factors as to why suspicion fell upon LM.

Of LM asking his mother if Shane was there?  as they hadn't really thought about being asked that?

Did LM and CM with having no previous dealings with the law - fall at this very first hurdle with believing/hoping that by simply saying the two of them were together having dinner that this would simply be enough.

Remember the time frame if LM is Jodi's killer.

He meets with his girlfriend - whatever happens in the ensuing time that results in murdering her, first and foremost he needs a story.

That first phone call at 5.32pm - Reality being here that he does not know what may still be on Jodi's mother phone, certain though that she will have known Jodi was going to meet with him.

I don't buy into this "why alert" to the fact she is missing - there simply is no choice here, that phone call has to be made, there is no answer and he has to phone back - it needs to be known that he is "wondering where she is?"

The phone call and answer is done - Where Mr Ovens states he said "she has left to meet you" then nothing for the remainder of the evening - speaks volumes. IMO

Of a girl whom was prohibited from walking  this path alone - to LM knowing this, yet keeping well back from it after 5.40pm

Remember how well hidden this girl has been left - If there had been a report of her been missing at this point, how serious would it have been taken?

Half an hour or so late from meeting with her boyfriend around dinner time?

The time frame for police coming, statements as so forth -

The chance of her being discovered - out of his hands, yet hidden well enough? 

Yet - when reported missing at 10.49pm that evening she was found some 40mins later ?

The first person to offer to search Roansdyke path is LM?

So many assumptions in this one post but yet again.

Let’s start with this one.

‘Of a girl whom was prohibited from walking  this path alone - to LM knowing this, yet keeping well back from it after 5.40pm’

Demonstrably untrue as her sister JaJ verified in a statement.

The timeframe? A noise heard from behind the wall by a cyclist informed time of death. A noise that neither JF or GD heard even though they were in the area at the time. No forensic evidence regarding time of death eg body temperature. Nothing but the much hoped for opportunity to put Luke in the frame.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2021, 02:18:18 PM by faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Bullseye

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2021, 02:42:05 PM »
Truly what difference would it make? Make a few internet posters who doubt Luke’s innocence believe in him? TBH if by now you don’t believe that the case against Luke was not proven beyond reasonable doubt then I don’t think you’ll ever believe that his conviction is unsafe.

Luke needs all the help he can get, every little helps and the support of his family goes a long way imo. But the only thing that would really help at the moment would be new evidence. If the dna is not released for retesting then I don’t see a way forward. No idea why it’s so hard to get stuff released for testing.

Offline Rusty

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #88 on: March 24, 2021, 03:24:20 PM »
I’ve been asking about Shane for years and it’s always the same reply, one side saying he freely admits his brothers guilt and the other side saying he supports his brother but is not involved in the campaign. We can not take anyone’s word for it and now Sandra is point blank refusing to discuss Luke’s brother or dad, which appears she has been told not to or decided best not to speak about them. You can’t help wonder why. This is the most publicly the case has had in years and for them to stay quiet at this time, I’m sorry to say, looks bad on Luke as now everyone is asking and wondering if they believe his innocence. A simple one line statement is all it would take if they do support him. If they don’t then silence speaks volumes to me.

This question will never go away. As long as they continue with the story of alibi, burning pie SM taking his upstairs, then the question will always remain. And now it has been brought into the limelight on national TV, more questions need answered.

This he should be left alone stuff, does not wash with me any more. I would agree, if this rule applied to the others, who's names were splashed all over national TV and on many podcasts on YouTube. But it seems like one rule for one.

The fact of the matter is, SM failed to corroborate the story of alibi under oath. Game over.

Offline Parky41

Re: Why doesn't Shane Mitchell speak out if his brother is innocent?
« Reply #89 on: March 24, 2021, 03:39:38 PM »
So many assumptions in this one post but yet again.

Let’s start with this one.

‘Of a girl whom was prohibited from walking  this path alone - to LM knowing this, yet keeping well back from it after 5.40pm’

Demonstrably untrue as her sister JaJ verified in a statement.

The timeframe? A noise heard from behind the wall by a cyclist informed time of death. A noise that neither JF or GD heard even though they were in the area at the time. No forensic evidence regarding time of death eg body temperature. Nothing but the much hoped for opportunity to put Luke in the frame.


Have you read the statements Faithlilly - JuJ's, all of JaJ's, Jodi's friends? All of the evidence led in court?  In fact, have you read everyone's statements?

Common sense yet again would tell us - That if a person uses one or two small areas from multiple statements to show as proof that something was
"demonstrably" untrue then your demonstrably untrue is Poppycocks.

AS;

Where are AT's questions to these witnesses? - where are these witnesses answers? Why are they not shown?

Relatively simple common sense here - both have access to everything, it's called fair play - it's called a trial.

Why was the very factor of "not using this path" introduced by these witnesses in their statements?

So if you have knowledge of "all" of the statements, their full context - then you will be able to answer these two questions.

Had Jodi Jones been told by her mother not to use the path alone?

Lets's again use more common sense here and ask - why did Jodi's mother not want her to use this path?

The obvious answers yet again by using just a fraction of common sense is - yes and reason's to why would have been given, as, 

Common sense yet again - Information is given, the police ask questions around it, answers are given.

So, I had said Jodi had been prohibited from using the path - this is true is it not, and again, if you have access to everything you will know that there is further verification of this from other witnesses?

LM would have known that this ban was in place - true.

LM most definitely did claim not to be near/at  Roansdyke path at all until late that night.

Specifically so - by stating that he had at point point walked as far as "Barrondale cottage" an no further.


Assumptions? - LM claimed to have left his house at 5.30

LM met with the boys in the Abbey at 7.30pm approx:

Two hours.  - there are no assumptions here, these are times given by himself and verification from the boys of the time of meeting as 7.30.
approx:


Two hours. Witnessed by F&W at the gate just yards from the entrance to this path.  appox: 5.40pm

Nothing for approx 20mins:  Is there enough time here for LM to get home, a quick change of jkt and shoes and be at the entrance of the estate for the next sighting at 6pm? 20mins

It took LM 7-mins to get from his house to the path later that night  So even IF he had went down Newbattle R'd, easily done in around 10mins. But common sense would tell us he needed just a little bit more time.

There is, and this is no assumption yet again - a shortcut through the woods which take you out into the bottom half of the estate in which he stayed.
Off of Newbattle R'd.  LM stayed in the bottom half of this estate.

6pm until 6.15pm approx : there are three sightings of LM around the estate entrance, two by boys from school one a motorist.

Then nothing - for 1hr and 15mins approx: Do you not find this surprising?

IF as the prosecution contend - the sighting by F&W was just after the murder, at the gate.

Then three sightings in the space of about 15mins where the contention is of putting alibi in place - to be seen

It fits perfectly does it not? as, If he had in fact been on this Road and just into the Abbey for nearly 120mins he would have been seen far more times?

The Abbey is not just a college it is also grounds to an industrial estate. So not just the traffic from Newbattle R'd to contend with but also that of those coming and going from this Abbey.