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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #225 on: April 01, 2021, 10:22:17 AM »
According to Maria Emília de Melo e Castro the book expressed Amaral's opinion, his thesis, his hypothesis. Why should he not be allowed to express his opinion?
Because it damaged the reputation of the parents of a missing child.  Is it OK for me to publish a book about my hypothesis that certain named members of the Tory cabinet are involved in a paedophile ring if that is my opinion, even if I can't prove it?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #226 on: April 01, 2021, 10:29:05 AM »
Because it damaged the reputation of the parents of a missing child.  Is it OK for me to publish a book about my hypothesis that certain named members of the Tory cabinet are involved in a paedophile ring if that is my opinion, even if I can't prove it?

In my opinion their reputation was damaged before the book was published.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #227 on: April 01, 2021, 10:32:04 AM »
In my opinion their reputation was damaged before the book was published.

Your Opinion is of no importance, beyond the fact that it is Libellous.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #228 on: April 01, 2021, 10:38:33 AM »
In my opinion their reputation was damaged before the book was published.

I would agree but that doesn’t make any difference to libel.
You do realise that the opinion cannot be expressed on the forum because it would be libellous... Or perhaps you don't understand that

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #229 on: April 01, 2021, 10:47:01 AM »
In my opinion their reputation was damaged before the book was published.
Your opinion is not important.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #230 on: April 01, 2021, 10:47:17 AM »
Your Opinion is of no importance, beyond the fact that it is Libellous.
SNAP!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #231 on: April 01, 2021, 10:57:04 AM »
Your Opinion is of no importance, beyond the fact that it is Libellous.

Please explain why my opinion is libelous.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #232 on: April 01, 2021, 10:58:52 AM »
Please explain why my opinion is libelous.

Because you are suggesting things that you can't prove.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #233 on: April 01, 2021, 11:21:19 AM »
In my opinion their reputation was damaged before the book was published.
Are you saying that it's not libel to publish false statement that are damaging about someone if others have already done so and therefore the damage has already been caused so it doesn't matter what anyone else does, it's too late?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #234 on: April 01, 2021, 11:24:44 AM »
Are you saying that it's not libel to publish false statement that are damaging about someone if others have already done so and therefore the damage has already been caused so it doesn't matter what anyone else does, it's too late?

This of course is not true.  Repeated Libel is still Libel. As is Libellous Innuendo.

Offline G-Unit

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #235 on: April 01, 2021, 12:04:27 PM »
Because you are suggesting things that you can't prove.

Can you prove that Amaral's book damaged the McCann's reputation?
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Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #236 on: April 01, 2021, 12:07:42 PM »
Are you saying that it's not libel to publish false statement that are damaging about someone if others have already done so and therefore the damage has already been caused so it doesn't matter what anyone else does, it's too late?

There were no false statements in the book. There was evidence taken from the investigation and an opinion about what that evidence meant.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #237 on: April 01, 2021, 12:10:10 PM »
Can you prove that Amaral's book damaged the McCann's reputation?

Are you saying that The McCann's reputations haven't been damaged?  Not with anyone?

Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #238 on: April 01, 2021, 12:11:25 PM »
There were no false statements in the book. There was evidence taken from the investigation and an opinion about what that evidence meant.

This is clearly not true.  Amaral stated some things as fact.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #239 on: April 01, 2021, 12:30:53 PM »
Are you saying that The McCann's reputations haven't been damaged?  Not with anyone?

Not with their family, friends, local community or employers they haven't, & evidence that Amaral's book, specifically, (rather than, for example, the interim conclusion reached by the PJ that's publicly available on the internet) is the reason some anonymous trolls hate the McCann's & suspect them, I don't remember seeing that presented to the SC.
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