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Offline Mr Gray

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #240 on: April 01, 2021, 12:34:02 PM »
There were no false statements in the book. There was evidence taken from the investigation and an opinion about what that evidence meant.

There were false statements in the book. In the doc he claimed he could prove death and a cover up... He couldnt

Offline G-Unit

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #241 on: April 01, 2021, 01:23:50 PM »
Not with their family, friends, local community or employers they haven't, & evidence that Amaral's book, specifically, (rather than, for example, the interim conclusion reached by the PJ that's publicly available on the internet) is the reason some anonymous trolls hate the McCann's & suspect them, I don't remember seeing that presented to the SC.

They said that their reputations were damaged (mostly in Portugal) because people believed what Amaral wrote in his book. They were unable to demonstrate the truth of that statement in court, however.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #242 on: April 01, 2021, 01:28:14 PM »
There were no false statements in the book. There was evidence taken from the investigation and an opinion about what that evidence meant.
Says who?
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Offline Brietta

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #243 on: April 01, 2021, 01:34:51 PM »
They said that their reputations were damaged (mostly in Portugal) because people believed what Amaral wrote in his book. They were unable to demonstrate the truth of that statement in court, however.

Wasn't there something about Calpol?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #244 on: April 01, 2021, 02:29:11 PM »
https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/cases/bedat-v-switzerland/

I am highlighting the two sections below from the ECHR Grand Chamber in the Bedat case as they can equally be applied to the McCann case..


(2) The content of the impugned article

In considering the content of the publication, the Court gave deference to the findings of the Swiss Federal Court that the manner in which he quoted the correspondence between the accused and the investigating judge showed his motive of “satisfying the relatively unhealthy curiosity.” By considering the headings of the article, such as “Questioning of the Mad Driver” and “the reckless driver’s version,” the Grand Chamber sided with Federal Court in concluding that Bédat’s tone was sensational. In addition, it also took issue with his explicit conclusions about the veracity of accused’s statements, which in the Court’s opinion was precisely the function of the judicial authorities to address.

(4) Influence of the impugned article on the criminal proceedings

The Grand Chamber was of the opinion that even though Bédat did not expressly claim that the accused acted intentionally in the killing and injuring others, [the article] was nevertheless set out in such a way as to point a highly negative picture of the [accused], highlighting certain disturbing aspects of his personality and concluding that he was doing ‘everything in his power to make himself impossible to defend himself.’” [para. 69]

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At no time during the open PJ investigation of 2007/8, the period covered by Amaral's book, did McCanns ever have the lawful right to publicly defend themselves against any of the many accusations leaked from a confidential process without risking a jail sentence.

The following is my opinion:-
I actually hope that Portugal will refuse a friendly settlement so that the Court can judge the case on its merits & publish their conclusions. That route would ensure no ambiguity in the terms of a friendly settlement and the issue of ex-gratia payments.
Sadly, the only financial winner here will be Amaral. The Domestic Courts have allowed him to keep the proceeds of his book and reimbursement of his legal fees which the McCanns were obliged to pay. Furthermore. he is also the beneficiary of a substantial, but unknown, amount of funding raised by PJGA to cover his costs in the first place. The McCanns are unlikely to receive over €75,000 in damages on top of substantiated legal costs based on prior ECHR compensation awards recommended be paid by the offending State. The moral victory may ultimately be theirs but the message in this case is that crime does pay.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #245 on: April 01, 2021, 04:18:54 PM »

Is not the Moral Victory ultimately the most important?

Offline jassi

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #246 on: April 01, 2021, 04:57:37 PM »
https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/cases/bedat-v-switzerland/

I am highlighting the two sections below from the ECHR Grand Chamber in the Bedat case as they can equally be applied to the McCann case..


(2) The content of the impugned article

In considering the content of the publication, the Court gave deference to the findings of the Swiss Federal Court that the manner in which he quoted the correspondence between the accused and the investigating judge showed his motive of “satisfying the relatively unhealthy curiosity.” By considering the headings of the article, such as “Questioning of the Mad Driver” and “the reckless driver’s version,” the Grand Chamber sided with Federal Court in concluding that Bédat’s tone was sensational. In addition, it also took issue with his explicit conclusions about the veracity of accused’s statements, which in the Court’s opinion was precisely the function of the judicial authorities to address.

(4) Influence of the impugned article on the criminal proceedings

The Grand Chamber was of the opinion that even though Bédat did not expressly claim that the accused acted intentionally in the killing and injuring others, [the article] was nevertheless set out in such a way as to point a highly negative picture of the [accused], highlighting certain disturbing aspects of his personality and concluding that he was doing ‘everything in his power to make himself impossible to defend himself.’” [para. 69]

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At no time during the open PJ investigation of 2007/8, the period covered by Amaral's book, did McCanns ever have the lawful right to publicly defend themselves against any of the many accusations leaked from a confidential process without risking a jail sentence.

The following is my opinion:-
I actually hope that Portugal will refuse a friendly settlement so that the Court can judge the case on its merits & publish their conclusions. That route would ensure no ambiguity in the terms of a friendly settlement and the issue of ex-gratia payments.
Sadly, the only financial winner here will be Amaral. The Domestic Courts have allowed him to keep the proceeds of his book and reimbursement of his legal fees which the McCanns were obliged to pay. Furthermore. he is also the beneficiary of a substantial, but unknown, amount of funding raised by PJGA to cover his costs in the first place. The McCanns are unlikely to receive over €75,000 in damages on top of substantiated legal costs based on prior ECHR compensation awards recommended be paid by the offending State. The moral victory may ultimately be theirs but the message in this case is that crime does pay.

What crime would that be ?  Libel is a civil offence, not a criminal one.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #247 on: April 01, 2021, 05:07:40 PM »
What crime would that be ?  Libel is a civil offence, not a criminal one.
Breaching someone’s human rights is a crime isn’t it?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline barrier

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #248 on: April 01, 2021, 06:29:20 PM »
Is not the Moral Victory ultimately the most important?


Morals never paid any ones bills..
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Offline barrier

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #249 on: April 01, 2021, 06:32:47 PM »
Breaching someone’s human rights is a crime isn’t it?

Whose has found to have been breached ?
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Offline barrier

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #250 on: April 01, 2021, 06:41:01 PM »
Breaching someone’s human rights is a crime isn’t it?

The McCann's claim a right to a fair trial, they've never been on trial so how does that breach their rights, they also claim a right to private life, telling the world you can't make love to your husband doesn't exactly seem private, so how would that right be breached.

Document Type
Communicated Case
Title
MCCANN ET HEALY c. PORTUGAL
App. No(s).
57195/17
Importance Level
3
Respondent State(s)
Portugal
Conclusion(s)
Affaire communiquée
Affaire communiquée
Article(s)
6
6-2
8
8-1
Keywords
(Art. 6) Right to a fair trial
(Art. 8) Right to respect for private and family life

Date
14/01/2021
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #251 on: April 01, 2021, 06:46:18 PM »
The McCann's claim a right to a fair trial, they've never been on trial so how does that breach their rights, they also claim a right to private life, telling the world you can't make love to your husband doesn't exactly seem private, so how would that right be breached.

Document Type
Communicated Case
Title
MCCANN ET HEALY c. PORTUGAL
App. No(s).
57195/17
Importance Level
3
Respondent State(s)
Portugal
Conclusion(s)
Affaire communiquée
Affaire communiquée
Article(s)
6
6-2
8
8-1
Keywords
(Art. 6) Right to a fair trial
(Art. 8) Right to respect for private and family life

Date
14/01/2021

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Offline misty

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #252 on: April 01, 2021, 06:51:37 PM »
What crime would that be ?  Libel is a civil offence, not a criminal one.
I believe defamation is still a criminal offence in Portugal which carries a custodial sentence.  However, to claim damages from the offender, it's necessary to use the civil path.

Offline Eleanor

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #253 on: April 01, 2021, 06:57:27 PM »
I believe defamation is still a criminal offence in Portugal which carries a custodial sentence.  However, to claim damages from the offender, it's necessary to use the civil path.

This is correct.

Offline Anthro

Re: ECHR urge McCanns to reach friendly settlement with Gonçalo Amaral.
« Reply #254 on: April 01, 2021, 07:06:55 PM »
The McCann's claim a right to a fair trial, they've never been on trial so how does that breach their rights, they also claim a right to private life, telling the world you can't make love to your husband doesn't exactly seem private, so how would that right be breached.

Document Type
Communicated Case
Title
MCCANN ET HEALY c. PORTUGAL
App. No(s).
57195/17
Importance Level
3
Respondent State(s)
Portugal
Conclusion(s)
Affaire communiquée
Affaire communiquée
Article(s)
6
6-2
8
8-1
Keywords
(Art. 6) Right to a fair trial
(Art. 8) Right to respect for private and family life

Date
14/01/2021

Perhaps Kate’s editor suggested that the book should include such information (?)