What makes you certain that Luke Mitchell is guilty beyond reasonable doubt?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you think he was ever really into Satanism or was it just a form of teenage rebellion?

He wasn't a teenager when he claimed to be a Satanist in need of books for religious purposes.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Whether LM's interest in Satanism was teenage rebellion or something more, why is he demanding books on Satanism these days?

It suggests a genuine interest in the occult, and it also suggests that there's something up with LM's thought process.

LM's alleged interest in Satanism at the time of the trial was arguable, but it's now been confirmed.

Was cheating on Jodi with two other lasses, smoked copious amounts of weed, was actually involved in dealing weed at the age of 14, kept bottles of piss in his bedroom, wrote iffy notes in his notebooks, was handy with knives, carried knives regularly, carved questionable carvings on trees, and has now been proved to be into Satanism, which was alleged at the time of the trial.

Highly suspect.

If anyone is advising LM, they're not doing a great job.

Order satanic books - aye, that will help your case!

Deary me!

It makes me laugh how his supporters are able to find an excuse for all of these many sinister foibles of Mitchell's.  Don't they ever get tired of defending the indefensible I wonder...?

[faithlilly]

Whether LM's interest in Satanism was teenage rebellion or something more, why is he demanding books on Satanism these days?

It suggests a genuine interest in the occult, and it also suggests that there's something up with LM's thought process.

LM's alleged interest in Satanism at the time of the trial was arguable, but it's now been confirmed.

Was cheating on Jodi with two other lasses, smoked copious amounts of weed, was actually involved in dealing weed at the age of 14, kept bottles of piss in his bedroom, wrote iffy notes in his notebooks, was handy with knives, carried knives regularly, carved questionable carvings on trees, and has now been proved to be into Satanism, which was alleged at the time of the trial.

Highly suspect.

If anyone is advising LM, they're not doing a great job.

Order satanic books - aye, that will help your case!

Deary me!

Waiting eleven years to request books on Satanism  doesn’t sound as if Luke has a particularly keen interest in Satanism. Does it you?

[Angelo222]

The story of Luke Mitchell ordering books on satanism was published after Sandra Lean abandoned his cause


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4792.msg540348#msg540348

&

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4792.msg173265#msg173265

April 2014
‘JODI Jones’ killer, Luke Mitchell, has demanded the right to be given Satanic textbooks in prison because of his “religious beliefs”.

July 2014
“Mrs Mitchell blames Dr Lean for the SCCRC appeal failing, which is completely wrong. Dr Lean has dedicated ten years of her life to the cause and has done a really good job.
“It’s appalling for her to be treated this way and it’s left the campaign in disarray.”


Sandra Lean appeared to me to have already abandoned Luke Mitchell’s cause prior the April 2014 news article - no longer believing Mitchell to be innocent

She indicated to me following Killer Simon Hall’s guilt she had wasted 10 years of her life - which ties in with comments made by the the July 2014 ‘source’

When will people realise that this is all about Sandra Lean and promoting her wares. Problem is that she had consistently backed dead ducks so rightly attracts nothing but derision and criticism. Having Sandra Lean on your side is somewhat akin to being on the Titanic without a lifebelt.

[Nicholas]

When will people realise that this is all about Sandra Lean and promoting her wares.

‘When will people realise’ it’s all a con ?

[Nicholas]

November 2010
‘Incident’ between Sandra Lean and Billy Middleton - Middleton moved back to Shetland

⬇️

23rd November 2010
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8086.msg383377.html?PHPSESSID=dvneetci1lddlqb21ie9g1l694#msg383377

8th Feb 2011
Sandra Leans youngest daughter
‘I have been keeping an eye on whats going on on forums, and my mum's facebook page. I would like to speak to you, person to person’

9th Feb 2011
Sandra Lean
‘Your partnership with John is as transparent as it is dangerous for you, but you will be unable to see that what I am saying is out of concern. I have worked very hard, for a very long time, to be able to do what I do, and I will not stand by and let you trash that.’

[Vertigo Swirl]

Waiting eleven years to request books on Satanism  doesn’t sound as if Luke has a particularly keen interest in Satanism. Does it you?

If he wasn't particularly interested in Satanism why did he ask for books on the subject at all?

[Vertigo Swirl]

OK, so is this all made up by the media then?

"It may never be known if it was his obsession with Satanism which motivated him to murder Jodi, but her gruesome death bore the hallmarks of a ritual killing.

Mitchell's jotters from Dalkeith's St David's High School were daubed with Satanic slogans and he wrote a school essay with worrying references to the devil.

His English book, shown to the court, had the numbers 666 and "Satan lives" on the cover.

"I have tasted the devil's green blood" was also scrawled on the back.

Several other jotters were shown which contained slogans such as: "Evil is the way", "Depression is only a stage in my life, so f*** off and stay out my mind" and "the finest day I ever had was when tomorrow never came" - a quotation from late Nirvana singer Cobain.

The handwritten essay, questioning the existence of God, had been submitted in January 2003 in place of a short story, which had been requested.

The essay contained passages such as: "If you ask me, god is just a futile excuse at most for a bunch of fools to go around annoying others who want nothing to do with him.

"Are these people insane?"

It also read "People like you need Satanic people like me to keep the balance" and "Once you shake hands with the devil you then have truly experienced life".

It was also claimed he said he could imagine himself getting "stoned" and killing someone.

And the trial heard that Mitchell had been in possession of several knives, one of which he used for cutting up blocks of cannabis.

A knife pouch with the initials "[Name removed]" - apparently a reference to Jodi Jones - and the numerals "666" written on it was found in his bedroom".

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/troubled-mitchell-claimed-to-be-a-satanist-7172219.html

[Nicholas]

When will people realise that this is all about Sandra Lean and promoting her wares. Problem is that she had consistently backed dead ducks so rightly attracts nothing but derision and criticism. Having Sandra Lean on your side is somewhat akin to being on the Titanic without a lifebelt.

What ‘wares’ ?

[Brietta]

OK, so is this all made up by the media then?

"It may never be known if it was his obsession with Satanism which motivated him to murder Jodi, but her gruesome death bore the hallmarks of a ritual killing.

Mitchell's jotters from Dalkeith's St David's High School were daubed with Satanic slogans and he wrote a school essay with worrying references to the devil.

His English book, shown to the court, had the numbers 666 and "Satan lives" on the cover.

"I have tasted the devil's green blood" was also scrawled on the back.

Several other jotters were shown which contained slogans such as: "Evil is the way", "Depression is only a stage in my life, so f*** off and stay out my mind" and "the finest day I ever had was when tomorrow never came" - a quotation from late Nirvana singer Cobain.

The handwritten essay, questioning the existence of God, had been submitted in January 2003 in place of a short story, which had been requested.

The essay contained passages such as: "If you ask me, god is just a futile excuse at most for a bunch of fools to go around annoying others who want nothing to do with him.

"Are these people insane?"

It also read "People like you need Satanic people like me to keep the balance" and "Once you shake hands with the devil you then have truly experienced life".

It was also claimed he said he could imagine himself getting "stoned" and killing someone.

And the trial heard that Mitchell had been in possession of several knives, one of which he used for cutting up blocks of cannabis.

A knife pouch with the initials "[Name removed]" - apparently a reference to Jodi Jones - and the numerals "666" written on it was found in his bedroom".

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/troubled-mitchell-claimed-to-be-a-satanist-7172219.html

I was incredulous when I wandered onto another forum and saw the actual amount of cannabis Mitchell used himself and distributed to others.

Information backed up by all the drug dealing paraphernalia and drugs the police found in his room.

This was no ordinary fourteen year old.

[Nicholas]

I was incredulous when I wandered onto another forum and saw the actual amount of cannabis Mitchell used himself and distributed to others.

Information backed up by all the drug dealing paraphernalia and drugs the police found in his room.

This was no ordinary fourteen year old.

What drug paraphernalia was found through out the rest of the Mitchell home?

[Paranoid Android]

Good to see that none of LM's supporters deny ha has an interest in Satanism.

Tiny bit of progress.

[Nicholas]

Tiny bit of progress.

Still a way to go  ⬇️

SR: I posted something yesterday but seems to have been deleted.. Rafael Rowe is on board ✌️

PN: Just wondering who is this person ??

SR: he's now a famous reporter, but he was jailed for a murder he didn't commit originally


Raphael Rowe has yet to prove he was/is innocent

’M25 Three' gang free but not innocent, say judges
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/m25-three-gang-free-but-not-innocent-say-judges-1.293858

‘In resisting the appeals Mr Bevan has reminded the court of the strength of the prosecution case particularly as against Rowe. He suggests that it is essential to begin with an appreciation of the evidence which connects Rowe to the Napier and Spicer/Almond incidents. He points to the fact that property from both robberies had come into his possession by the early hours of 16 December. There is no explanation offered save for a fanciful suggestion that there had been a conspiracy between the police, the "Jobbins Group" and Kate Williamson. Whilst a ready motive might be found for the "Jobbins Group" on the assumption that they themselves were responsible for these crimes and Kate Williamson was said to have acted out of jealousy, there seems to have been little reason for the police to go against Rowe, Davis and Johnson rather than the easier target of Jobbins, Duncan and Griffin. Further, Mr Bevan asks rhetorically, how did it come about that Kate Williamson and the "Jobbins Group" were able to put their heads together when she and they were barely acquainted. And why, would a frightened 16-year-old girl make up such a story anyway. It is absurd to suggest that she would run the risk of offending Rowe and laying herself open to criminal charges if what she said was not the truth. Then she is supported by the scratch on the window and the finding of the brooch in Rowe's waste paper basket. Although Mr Bevan cannot and does not pray in aid any of the material researched by the Greater Manchester Police which might positively assist his case he does point to the fact that nothing has been turned up to support the conspiracy theory for which Rowe contends. He submits that if it is accepted that the fact that Rowe was involved in the second and third incidents is overwhelming then, given the general acceptance that the same trio was involved in all three, it must follow that Rowe was also involved in the Hurburgh/Eley incident. We interpose the comment that by the same reasoning if there is doubt that Rowe was involved in the first incident then there must be doubt about him having been involved in the second and third. However Mr Bevan continues; if Rowe was properly convicted the conspiracy theory falls apart. The three robbers were not Griffin, Jobbins and Duncan. That has implications for the other two appellants. Davis' case is closely intertwined with that of Rowe. There is the evidence of the "Jobbins Group", Joanne Cassar and the Amaryllis plant and the fingerprints on the porcelain figures. On his own admission Johnson was at 25 Laurie Park Road on the evening of the 15 December; he had a revolver in his possession; he was concerned to know how to start the Triumph Spitfire; he made admissions to Todd; he gave a false alibi; he did not give evidence.

In our view the case against all three appellants was formidable. The evidence against Rowe on counts 9, 10 and 11 was overwhelming. However we are bound to follow the approach set out earlier in this judgment, namely assuming the irregularities which we have identified had not occurred would a reasonable jury have been bound to return verdicts of guilty? In all conscience we cannot say that it would. At this distance we simply cannot assess the impact which the undisclosed material might have had on the case for and against Johnson. Nor can we be certain that the results of the juror's private investigations, whether or not communicated to the others, might have played a part in resolving the timing mystery in favour of the prosecution. Accordingly we cannot say that any of these convictions is safe. They must be quashed and the appeals allowed. Ten years on it is not appropriate to order a retrial. For the better understanding of those who have listened to this judgment and of those who may report it hereafter this is not a finding of innocence, far from it.
https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2000/109.html

[faithlilly]

I was thinking about David High’s evidence.

From the appeal judgement.

“he told David High that the deceased was not coming out, despite knowing she had left to meet him and had made no effort to enquire as to where she was when she failed to appear”

Could it have been that Luke was suffering the embarrassment of a 14 year old who had been stood up and didn’t want to admit it to his friend so made an excuse? I’ve read that he thought Jodi had ‘dumped’ him. Could this be why?

Another thing that puzzles me. We are told that Luke said that he was ‘ not even 20 yards’ beyond the v when the dog alerted, although it said in the appeal court judgement that other distances were suggested. As a young boy of 14 in 2003 would he immediately use yards as his measurement of choice or indeed understand it? The use of yards is especially peculiar as in the rest of his interviews he used feet to measure distances.

[Nicholas]

I was thinking about David High’s evidence.

From the appeal judgement.

“he told David High that the deceased was not coming out, despite knowing she had left to meet him and had made no effort to enquire as to where she was when she failed to appear”

Could it have been that Luke was suffering the embarrassment of a 14 year old who had been stood up and didn’t want to admit it to his friend so made an excuse? I’ve read that he thought Jodi had ‘dumped’ him. Could this be why?

No

He was telling different people different things

‘Detective Sergeant George Thomson told the court Luke Mitchell had told them that he thought Jodi had met somebody else and had gone off with them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm