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Offline John

What, exactly, has she been wrong about in the Luke Mitchell case?

So much I wouldn't know where to start but two do come to mind as they have been discussed quite recently.

She was wrong about the position of the gate where the two ladies saw Luke Mitchell standing shortly after the murder. She was also wrong about the shortcut through the woods from that gate to Luke Mitchell's street, a route which is clearly marked on Google maps and involves crossing a shallow river. For someone who has supposedly been part of the case for 17 years and who lives a short distance away, she exudes a worrying ignorance of the local terrain.
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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So much I wouldn't know where to start but two that come to mind are these.

She was wrong about the position of the gate where the two ladies saw Luke Mitchell standing shortly after the murder. She was also wrong about the shortcut through the woods from that gate to Luke Mitchell's street, a route which is clearly marked on Google maps and involves crossing a shallow river.


I take it you are well acquainted with the area, John.   Have you read Sandra's book, and have you pointed out the above mistakes to her?

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I take it you are well acquainted with the area, John.   Have you read Sandra's book, and have you pointed out the above mistakes to her?

I explored the area on foot some years ago and visited Jodi's grave. I have also pointed out many things to Sandra over the years at a time when she was virtually alone in advocating a case for Luke Mitchell online.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2021, 03:46:57 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline faithlilly

Back to the topic of the thread.

Sandra Lean said these words. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12069.msg649378#msg649378

Kelly did not say these words. 

Now someone prove me wrong.

Are the two mutually exclusive?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Rorschach

SK didn't say it.

He denies saying it.

These are Sandra Lean's words until she provides proof. She's had carte blanche for years and has been economical with the truth.

She also can't provide any proof anyone seen the moped "propped against the v break in the wall unmanned" and eventually tried to say she never claimed such a thing.

She has also backtracked on claims she made regarding semen, when actually confronted about them.

SK has denied saying it.

Sandra Lean/Corinne also claim Luke was the only person whose clothes were taken. SK has since confirmed his clothes were taken and his mobile phone, on the night Jodi was found.
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Offline Rorschach

What, exactly, has she been wrong about in the Luke Mitchell case?

She said he had no interest in Satanism and only a few years ago Mitchell requested Satanic texts be delivered to him Shotts prison citing religious rights.

She severely downplays his problems at school.

In "No Smoke" she said SK was on the path at the time of the murder. She has since claimed to pull this book from sale due to the mistruth, yet I have seen her tell people in FB groups where they can buy it.

People really need to stop trusting Sandra Lean as their sole source of info regarding this case, it is extremely biased.

I'll believe SK made this statement, and query it, when a single shred of solid proof of him saying it is provided.

Did the first responding officers claim he made this comment? ie not in his statement?

Since when did Sandra Lean take everything police said relating to this case as gospel? Isn't she always discrediting them?

Oh we've not to question them when it suits her theory. They only make mistakes regarding Luke? Cool.
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Offline faithlilly

She said he had no interest in Satanism and only a few years ago Mitchell requested Satanic texts be delivered to him Shotts prison citing religious rights.

She severely downplays his problems at school.

In "No Smoke" she said SK was on the path at the time of the murder. She has since claimed to pull this book from sale due to the mistruth, yet I have seen her tell people in FB groups where they can buy it.

People really need to stop trusting Sandra Lean as their sole source of info regarding this case, it is extremely biased.

I'll believe SK made this statement, and query it, when a single shred of solid proof of him saying it is provided.

Did the first responding officers claim he made this comment? ie not in his statement?

Since when did Sandra Lean take everything police said relating to this case as gospel? Isn't she always discrediting them?

Oh we've not to question them when it suits her theory. They only make mistakes regarding Luke? Cool.

Dr Lean has the police statements, you don’t.

As to the SK comment in ‘No Smoke’, Leonard KELLY was...I’m sure it was just a typo.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

With such super qualifications one wonders why every case she promotes as a miscarriage of justice like Prout and Hall have been an abject failure and to be fair a complete humiliation when the individuals eventually turn round and confess. Learning something in a classroom and real life are not the same thing.

Sandra Lean has been wrong about so much in the Luke Mitchell case, one wonders if it has now become an obsession with her rendering her judgement partisan and not impartial.

I posted the wrong link - here’s the correct one

Part 3 - The Power of Propaganda : When They See Us Goes Viral on Netflix

https://www.altcensored.com/watch?v=iisdZAIwg4o
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline William Wallace

Dry semen and other contaminants are not necessarily visible to the naked eye on garments. Jodi probably just grabbed the garment without thinking in her rush to go out.

Jodi didn't live in the same house as the owner of the t-shirt though. It's true that minor staining may not have been noticed on a borrowed t-shirt, but there is a rather serious issue around this theory. The owner of it at first told Police there were 2 identical t-shirts and she didn't know where the other one was. However a few weeks later she then told Police there were several identical t-shirts not 2, yet another changed statement. By saying there were several, it is removing the mystery about where the 2nd t-shirt went. It ceases to become missing because there wasn't only 2. I have my own opinion about how many t-shirts there were and whether any really went missing, but I can't elaborate publicly for obvious reasons.

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SK didn't say it.

He denies saying it.

These are Sandra Lean's words until she provides proof. She's had carte blanche for years and has been economical with the truth.

She also can't provide any proof anyone seen the moped "propped against the v break in the wall unmanned" and eventually tried to say she never claimed such a thing.

She has also backtracked on claims she made regarding semen, when actually confronted about them.

SK has denied saying it.

Sandra Lean/Corinne also claim Luke was the only person whose clothes were taken. SK has since confirmed his clothes were taken and his mobile phone, on the night Jodi was found.


How do you know SK "denied saying it" ?

Why should I believe SK rather than Luke/Sandra/Corinne ?

Offline Nicholas

She said he had no interest in Satanism and only a few years ago Mitchell requested Satanic texts be delivered to him Shotts prison citing religious rights.

She severely downplays his problems at school.

In "No Smoke" she said SK was on the path at the time of the murder. She has since claimed to pull this book from sale due to the mistruth, yet I have seen her tell people in FB groups where they can buy it.

People really need to stop trusting Sandra Lean as their sole source of info regarding this case, it is extremely biased.

I'll believe SK made this statement, and query it, when a single shred of solid proof of him saying it is provided.

Did the first responding officers claim he made this comment? ie not in his statement?

Since when did Sandra Lean take everything police said relating to this case as gospel? Isn't she always discrediting them?

Oh we've not to question them when it suits her theory. They only make mistakes regarding Luke? Cool.

On ‘No Smoke’ Sandra Lean has also claimed to be updating it but hasn’t been able to speak to the publishers - or they have yet to get back to her
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

She said he had no interest in Satanism and only a few years ago Mitchell requested Satanic texts be delivered to him Shotts prison citing religious rights.

She severely downplays his problems at school.

In "No Smoke" she said SK was on the path at the time of the murder. She has since claimed to pull this book from sale due to the mistruth, yet I have seen her tell people in FB groups where they can buy it.

People really need to stop trusting Sandra Lean as their sole source of info regarding this case, it is extremely biased.

I'll believe SK made this statement, and query it, when a single shred of solid proof of him saying it is provided.

Did the first responding officers claim he made this comment? ie not in his statement?

Since when did Sandra Lean take everything police said relating to this case as gospel? Isn't she always discrediting them?

Oh we've not to question them when it suits her theory. They only make mistakes regarding Luke? Cool.

Reminds me of Elizabeth “I don't know how I let that line slip by” Loftus
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline faithlilly

Reminds me of Elizabeth “I don't know how I let that line slip by” Loftus

Did she say both Steven Kelly and Leonard Kelly were on the path? If not it was probably just a mistake...typing one name when the other was meant. Was the book proof read ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Parky41

Did she say both Steven Kelly and Leonard Kelly were on the path? If not it was probably just a mistake...typing one name when the other was meant. Was the book proof read ?

Dismissing "No Smoke" as a simple typo? Are you sure this was all it was? because in the same book she states;

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Given that there were no positive sightings of Jodi that evening, there is no proof of what time she left the house.

That will be that cleared up then? And of any information to date, about these very much unverified  'possible sightings' of anyone - known to the defence also. Once of course Ms Lean had cleared up this complete paragraph of misinformation. of this mystery man seen following Jodi. yes? no positive ID of Jodi as above but the mystery man was seen following her into this path;

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"Several witnesses were identified as having been on the path at the critical time that evening. In total there were a minimum of five – John [Name removed], Gordon [Name removed], his father, David [Name removed], Stephen Kelly, a witness who claimed to have heard a disturbance behind the wall, and the "mystery man" seen following Jodi onto the path. Yet of the four who have spoken to police, none makes any mention of having seen either Luke or"

No mystery man on the path, Jodi on the path? DD nope.

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When it emerged that DNA belonging to Stephen Kelly had been found on Jodi‟s t shirt and underwear, the explanation given was that Jodi had been wearing her sister Janine‟s T-shirt. Yet we have only Stephen Kelly (who is implicated by the presence of his DNA) and Janine (his fiancé)‟s word that this was, in fact, the case. The significance of the fact that none of the other members of the search party‟s clothes were taken for forensic testing that night becomes immediately apparent – no-one can ever know what evidence such testing may have yielded

Mr Kelly also gave a statement, of which confirmed that all three had been together for dinner. Please, spare us the multiple areas again of not having this alibi for weeks. No ones clothing was taken that night, it was late hrs into the following morning, and SK had his taken hours later that same day. Ms Lean then explained all was written prior to having access to statements yet in the very same book, she again states:

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Careful examination of these statements, however, reveals that crucial aspects of them cannot possibly be true.

Then there is much ado about how she was unaware of Mr Kelly's alibi for his son, that it was only unearthed by the SCCRC and not known to the defence? Really? as we also know that it is in both JaJ and SK's statements. That we also know that precognitions are done - That the defence were very much aware of this alibi, not to forget the actual trial itself.  There seems to be a theme that runs rife through this case:

Of lies covering up lies, to cover up misinformation, for more misinformation to be given to cover up more??

And again, why do you suppose CM made comment on James English of being caught on camera, whilst others were simply captured?

Because these others were, where they said they had been, Ms Mitchell was not, was she? She was not home helping finishing this relaxed dinner story - with lots of information on LM's clothing. Let's leave the sunshine out for the moment.
MK, who told the police where he was that evening and it checked out, as he was captured on CCTV - with no face full of scratches?
AO, whom again was exactly where he had stated.

And one wonders why, one family was believed over the other - One was clearly telling the truth all the way through?, the other clearly not?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Did she say both Steven Kelly and Leonard Kelly were on the path? If not it was probably just a mistake...typing one name when the other was meant. Was the book proof read ?
As she’s a “very good friend” of yours perhaps you could ask her what she meant? 
Not a handwriting expert.