Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a

[gilet]

EXACTLY!

Those locks are not in use in new buildings. I still have one in mine (about 30 years old), identical to the G5A lock. To lock and unlock, from inside or from outside, you need a key. It's a double lock, so the inside et outside keys are eventually different. If the door is just shut, not locked, you open it easily from inside and rather easily from outside with a bank card (some screw turned it impossible in the G5A door, as revealed by the PJ).

Please show us the evidence you have of the type of lock which is on the front door of Apartment 5A.

It would be interesting to see this.  Until we see it we cannot really understand what type it really is.

Watch the documentary, or are you forbidden by your religious leaders?

Which documentary? There are many.

Buy yourself a ticket to Praia da Luz, have a look at the lock, and ask the person at the reception to show you the key with the cross section ! One year back, they hadn't changed the lock.

As you completely avoided the question previously, I will repeat it.

What documentary, there are many?

[Carana]

Those locks are not in use in new buildings. I still have one in mine (about 30 years old), identical to the G5A lock. To lock and unlock, from inside or from outside, you need a key. It's a double lock, so the inside et outside keys are eventually different. If the door is just shut, not locked, you open it easily from inside and rather easily from outside with a bank card (some screw turned it impossible in the G5A door, as revealed by the PJ).

Thank you for that explanation.

A few questions:

- How old was that building?

- What if a bank card (or similar object) had been cut in half to fit between the screw and the rest of the mechanism?

- Has a duplicate key (perhaps borrowed and copied) been formally excluded as a possibility?

[gilet]

Those locks are not in use in new buildings. I still have one in mine (about 30 years old), identical to the G5A lock. To lock and unlock, from inside or from outside, you need a key. It's a double lock, so the inside et outside keys are eventually different. If the door is just shut, not locked, you open it easily from inside and rather easily from outside with a bank card (some screw turned it impossible in the G5A door, as revealed by the PJ).

Thank you for that explanation.

A few questions:

- How old was that building?

- What if a bank card (or similar object) had been cut in half to fit between the screw and the rest of the mechanism?

- Has a duplicate key (perhaps borrowed and copied) been formally excluded as a possibility?

Its an interesting piece of information but how do we know AnneGuedes actually knows what kind of lock was on the door of Apt 5a? Is this from the documentary Luz fails to identify?

[Carana]

May I repeat my questions from an earlier post on this thread?


- How old was that building?

- What if a bank card (or similar object) had been cut in half to fit between the screw and the rest of the mechanism?

- Has a duplicate key (perhaps borrowed* and copied) been formally excluded as a possibility?

* Perhaps stolen from an employee?



An additional question: how difficult would it be to get such a key duplicated?

[debunker]

May I repeat my questions from an earlier post on this thread?


- How old was that building?

- What if a bank card (or similar object) had been cut in half to fit between the screw and the rest of the mechanism?

- Has a duplicate key (perhaps borrowed* and copied) been formally excluded as a possibility?

* Perhaps stolen from an employee?






An additional question: how difficult would it be to get such a key duplicated?

HOw many master keys were there?

[Carana]

May I repeat my questions from an earlier post on this thread?


- How old was that building?

- What if a bank card (or similar object) had been cut in half to fit between the screw and the rest of the mechanism?

- Has a duplicate key (perhaps borrowed* and copied) been formally excluded as a possibility?

* Perhaps stolen from an employee?






An additional question: how difficult would it be to get such a key duplicated?

HOw many master keys were there?

What do you mean by "master" keys?

[debunker]

May I repeat my questions from an earlier post on this thread?


- How old was that building?

- What if a bank card (or similar object) had been cut in half to fit between the screw and the rest of the mechanism?

- Has a duplicate key (perhaps borrowed* and copied) been formally excluded as a possibility?


* Perhaps stolen from an employee?









An additional question: how difficult would it be to get such a key duplicated?

HOw many master keys were there?

What do you mean by "master" keys?

Locks for hotels, hospitals etc normally come in suites with individual keys and a series of Master keys of different spread. A master key will fit a whole suite of locks.

[Carana]

@ Debunker

You said:
Locks for hotels, hospitals etc normally come in suites with individual keys and a series of Master keys of different spread. A master key will fit a whole suite of locks.

I'd agree, except that this was a privately-owned holiday apartment, with some kind of service arrangement. I haven't found anything that would indicate that there was a "master" key to all such apartments.

[debunker]

@ Debunker

You said:
Locks for hotels, hospitals etc normally come in suites with individual keys and a series of Master keys of different spread. A master key will fit a whole suite of locks.

I'd agree, except that this was a privately-owned holiday apartment, with some kind of service arrangement. I haven't found anything that would indicate that there was a "master" key to all such apartments.

Do we know whether it waz a suite of locks?

[Carana]

Have you found anything to suggest that there was a suite of master keys for privately-owned holiday rental apartments?

[debunker]

Have you found anything to suggest that there was a suite of master keys for privately-owned holiday rental apartments?

I was pointing out our uncertainty. There may or may not be a master, we do not know.

[Carana]

This key issue doesn't seem to be a popular topic...

[John]

You might find this useful when discussing the front door locks at apartment 5a.

[Redblossom]

@Carana

There appears to have been at least two sets of keys, one held in Ocean Ckub reception, and one that was available for the cleaners. In the files there is mention of the club maintenance having keys, but I am unsure if this was a third set or whether the cleaners borrowed the keys from them.

Then we have the slightly bizarre theory that Gerry Mccann offered on CNN


MORGAN: Do you know that yet? Do you know -- is there any evidence how this person came in the room?

G. MCCANN: I mean no doubt, there are a number of options. And --

MORGAN: No, actual evidence. There's nothing they could find to say this is unequivocally how this person came in?

G. MCCANN: No. I mean, it's possible they came through the window. They could have come through the patio doors, although that was in sight of where we were dining. So I think that's probably less likely. For all we know, they could have had a key, you know, lots of people stayed in that apartment over years to the front door --

[icabodcrane]

@Carana

There appears to have been at least two sets of keys, one held in Ocean Ckub reception, and one that was available for the cleaners. In the files there is mention of the club maintenance having keys, but I am unsure if this was a third set or whether the cleaners borrowed the keys from them.

Then we have the slightly bizarre theory that Gerry Mccann offered on CNN


MORGAN: Do you know that yet? Do you know -- is there any evidence how this person came in the room?

G. MCCANN: I mean no doubt, there are a number of options. And --

MORGAN: No, actual evidence. There's nothing they could find to say this is unequivocally how this person came in?

G. MCCANN: No. I mean, it's possible they came through the window. They could have come through the patio doors, although that was in sight of where we were dining. So I think that's probably less likely. For all we know, they could have had a key, you know, lots of people stayed in that apartment over years to the front door --

 

That's interesting Redblossom  ...  do you know when that interview was given by Gerry McCann ?