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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #90 on: December 21, 2014, 07:10:03 PM »
Proof if it were needed that these discussions go round and round in circles. Groundhog Day!! @)(++(*

Offline Anna

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #91 on: December 21, 2014, 07:15:28 PM »
Proof if it were needed that these discussions go round and round in circles. Groundhog Day!! @)(++(*

I missed it first time round I'm afraid.
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Offline Carana

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #92 on: December 21, 2014, 07:27:03 PM »

It seems to be this thread a long time back

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1207.msg32882;topicseen#msg32882

LOL

However, I'm still intrigued by what the credit-card demo was supposed to prove.

Offline Anna

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #93 on: December 21, 2014, 07:30:28 PM »
LOL

However, I'm still intrigued by what the credit-card demo was supposed to prove.

I would also like an answer, but it is unlikely, to come.
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Carana

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #94 on: December 21, 2014, 09:37:31 PM »
In photo 1 in the sequence above it appears that the the gap between the free edge of the door and door frame is covered by a moulding of some sort. If so forget trying to "pick the lock" with a flexible piece of plastic. The normal technique is to slide the piece of plastic between the door frame and door above (or below) the lock tenon then shuggle it to the the tenon then shuggle it some more in the hope the card will get around the end of the tenon; this is made easier if there is an engaged handle one can shuggle up and down and/or the door is a "rattling good fit". With a moulding covering the gap it will be next to impossible as one will be trying to insinuate the plastic around a right angle bend. This likely will cause the plastic to break or take up a permanent set, also the tenon appears to be cunningly designed to eliminate the possibility of using a piece of plastic. Remember the professional only likes easy targets.
Anyone on here an experienced in B & E ?

I had to look up what shuggling a tenon meant. ;) Yes, I see the difficulty of getting anything as flimsy as a sawn-off credit card around the moulding and into the tenony bit.

I have seen someone pick a similar lock when a neighbour got locked out, but I couldn't get close enough to see how it was done and, unfortunately, I'm not sure I could actually ask without getting strange looks.

Otherwise, I have seen emergency locksmiths with implements that looked as if they belonged to a dentist.

Even so, I still don't understand the credit-card demo as the only way to pick a lock. Nor why a screw would have been in the way.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #95 on: December 21, 2014, 11:14:18 PM »
I had to look up what shuggling a tenon meant. ;) Yes, I see the difficulty of getting anything as flimsy as a sawn-off credit card around the moulding and into the tenony bit.

I have seen someone pick a similar lock when a neighbour got locked out, but I couldn't get close enough to see how it was done and, unfortunately, I'm not sure I could actually ask without getting strange looks.

Otherwise, I have seen emergency locksmiths with implements that looked as if they belonged to a dentist.

Even so, I still don't understand the credit-card demo as the only way to pick a lock. Nor why a screw would have been in the way.

There are all sorts of bits available quite legitimately, like lock picks, bump keys and "how to manuals". I don't see the purpose of the credit card demonstration either. The screw would have been in the way only were the head not driven right down into the countersinking.
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Offline Anna

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #96 on: December 21, 2014, 11:19:52 PM »
LOL

However, I'm still intrigued by what the credit-card demo was supposed to prove.

I was hoping that the credit card way was how the cleaner got in to 5A, but according to this post it couldn't have been, because of a screw as explained in this post.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1207.msg32545#msg32545
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline pegasus

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #97 on: December 22, 2014, 12:34:45 AM »
The windowshutter had no lock.

Offline Anna

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #98 on: December 22, 2014, 12:48:07 AM »
We know the shutter had no lock
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline John

Re: Madeleine McCann - The locks to apartment 5a
« Reply #99 on: December 22, 2014, 02:17:32 AM »
We know the shutter had no lock

That's correct.  These shutters do occasionally have a sliding horizontal snib on each corner at the bottom but I see no sign of such a mechanism at the Ocean Club premises.

« Last Edit: December 28, 2014, 03:57:51 AM by John »
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