Could Madeleine have been abducted between 9.30 and 10.00?

[peter claridge]

You haven't answered my question, peter claridge. Seeing as you have been trumpeting claims of Gerry McCann parading a corpse through the streets of PDL, I quite reasonably asked you for concrete and irrefutable evidence to back up your trumpets.  You have not done so.

The evidence Rachel Granada is contained in the statements and the timelines provided by the group and a certain process that the leaving no stone unturned McCann's have failed to carry out.

[icabodcrane]

So peter claridge is positing that Gerry McCann was carrying Madeleine's corpse through the streets of PDL yet when pressed further about where she was taken from there, declines to comment.

Interesting.

But I did comment... I said I've no idea were he took her, what's interesting about that.

You have plenty to say about Gerry McCann parading a corpse through the streets of PDL yet won't qualify that with anything sensible about where he took said corpse.

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

In his first statement, Mr Smith himself said that he didn't believe he would be able to identify the man again from photographs.

What do you suppose might have changed that?

When he saw TV footage of Gerry McCann getting off the plane carrying Sean in the exact way   'the abductor'  had been carrying the little girl,  his memory was jogged  ...  a sort of,    "oh  my God ...  it's  HIM !"  i SUPPOSE

It is is just the sort of recollection prompt that crimewatch type reconstructions are intended to achieve, for instance 

[peter claridge]

So peter claridge is positing that Gerry McCann was carrying Madeleine's corpse through the streets of PDL yet when pressed further about where she was taken from there, declines to comment.

Interesting.

But I did comment... I said I've no idea were he took her, what's interesting about that.

You have plenty to say about Gerry McCann parading a corpse through the streets of PDL yet won't qualify that with anything sensible about where he took said corpse.

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

In his first statement, Mr Smith himself said that he didn't believe he would be able to identify the man again from photographs.

What do you suppose might have changed that?

When he saw TV footage of Gerry McCann getting off the plane carrying Sean in the exact way   'the abductor'  had been carrying the little girl,  his memory was jogged  ...  a sort of,    "oh  my God ...  it's  HIM !"  i SUPPOSE

It is is just the sort of recollection prompt that crimewatch type reconstructions are intended to achieve, for instance

It's the same as Jane Tanner stating that she could identify the abductor by his style of walking.

[Rachel Granada]

You haven't answered my question, peter claridge. Seeing as you have been trumpeting claims of Gerry McCann parading a corpse through the streets of PDL, I quite reasonably asked you for concrete and irrefutable evidence to back up your trumpets.  You have not done so.

The evidence Rachel Granada is contained in the statements and the timelines provided by the group and a certain process that the leaving no stone unturned McCann's have failed to carry out.

Huh? Can we have that in plain English, please?

Edited to add; You seem confident to say that Gerry McCann was parading Madeleine's corpse through the streets of PDL yet when asked to clarify this about where Gerry was heading with the corpse, you clam up.

[sadie]

@ Peter

Tell you what Rachel, you provide me with the evidence of abduction first then I'll come right back at you with the evidence thet it was Gerry as seen by the Smith family; I'll put the kettle on
For starters:

Jane Tanners sighting

Caroline Carpenters audible identification <<< this may be another Madeleine but she was in exactly the Right sort of place at exactly the right time.

And after 75 years life, I have never met a Madeleine ... so it is not a common name

The Smiths sighting


Add to this the string of 8 abductions in PT.  One every two years. 

One in Figueira, Only 7 miles away ... just over two and a half years before Madeleines abduction ... a pretty 7 y.o fair haired girl

One in Silves, 18 miles away, just over 4 months before ... a 3 y.o pretty little blond girl ... just like Madeleine.  This abduction failed


Then Madeleine 4+ months afterwards. 


The PT authorities announcing that there was nothing to implicate the Mccanns, therefor an abduction

S.Y. stating that it was an abduction



What other indicators/proof do you need?

Wake up at the back there 

[peter claridge]

@ Peter

Tell you what Rachel, you provide me with the evidence of abduction first then I'll come right back at you with the evidence thet it was Gerry as seen by the Smith family; I'll put the kettle on
For starters:

Jane Tanners sighting

Caroline Carpenters audible identification <<< this may be another Madeleine but she was in exactly the Right sort of place at exactly the right time.

And after 75 years life, I have never met a Madeleine ... so it is not a common name

The Smiths sighting


Add to this the string of 8 abductions in PT.  One every two years. 

One in Figueira, Only 7 miles away ... just over two and a half years before Madeleines abduction ... a pretty 7 y.o fair haired girl

One in Silves, 18 miles away, just over 4 months before ... a 3 y.o pretty little blond girl ... just like Madeleine.  This abduction failed


Then Madeleine 4+ months afterwards. 


The PT authorities announcing that there was nothing to implicate the Mccanns, therefor an abduction

S.Y. stating that it was an abduction



What other indicators/proof do you need?

Wake up at the back there 

Bless

[sadie]

 

Did you get that cuppa tea?

[John]

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

So why are you posting that it was Gerry McCann that the Smiths saw when even the Smiths aren't sure.  Is this what passes for evidence in your world Peter?

Isn't it wonderful too how the McCann critics have spent the last three days dissing the Tapas 9's evidence and the moment I begin to prove that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been down the town that night by reference to independent witnesses, all of a sudden the Tapas 9 evidence is now in vogue?  So predictable.   

[icabodcrane]

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

So why are you posting that it was Gerry McCann that the Smiths saw when even the Smiths aren't sure.  Is this what passes for evidence in your world Peter?

Isn't it wonderful too how the McCann critics have spent the last three days dissing the Tapas 9's evidence and the moment I begin to prove that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been down the town that night all of a sudden their evidence is now in vogue?  So predictable.   

You havn't  'proven'  that it was not Gerry McCann that the Smiths  saw

I happen to agree with it being very  unlikely  that Gerry McCann was walking the streets of PDL with Madeleine in his arms at 10pm that night  ...  and therefore very unlikely that it was him the Smiths saw

Nevertheless,  Mr Smith is 80%  certain that it  was  Gerry he saw that night,  and his opinion,  whilst being questionable,  cannot be dismissed as definatively, and  provably,  innacurate

It just can't

[C.Edwards]

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

So why are you posting that it was Gerry McCann that the Smiths saw when even the Smiths aren't sure.  Is this what passes for evidence in your world Peter?

Isn't it wonderful too how the McCann critics have spent the last three days dissing the Tapas 9's evidence and the moment I begin to prove that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been down the town that night by reference to independent witnesses, all of a sudden the Tapas 9 evidence is now in vogue?  So predictable.   

Yeah, you'll have to run that one by me again. I must have missed that bit...  I don't know how many times we have to tell you this. For every independent witness you claim places Gerry there at 10pm, there's another that doesn't.  You cannot rely on any of the timings, the Smith sighting *could* have been Gerry, it's indisputable.

[ferryman]

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

So why are you posting that it was Gerry McCann that the Smiths saw when even the Smiths aren't sure.  Is this what passes for evidence in your world Peter?

Isn't it wonderful too how the McCann critics have spent the last three days dissing the Tapas 9's evidence and the moment I begin to prove that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been down the town that night all of a sudden their evidence is now in vogue?  So predictable.   

You havn't  'proven'  that it was not Gerry McCann that the Smiths  saw

I happen to agree with it being very  unlikely  that Gerry McCann was walking the streets of PDL with Madeleine in his arms at 10pm that night  ...  and therefore very unlikely that it was him the Smiths saw

Nevertheless,  Mr Smith is 80%  certain that it  was  Gerry he saw that night,  and his opinion,  whilst being questionable,  cannot be dismissed as definatively, and  provably,  innacurate

It just can't

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

(Peter Claridge)

That's good.

You won't be arguing with the PJ final report then:

Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.

[Rachel Granada]

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

So why are you posting that it was Gerry McCann that the Smiths saw when even the Smiths aren't sure.  Is this what passes for evidence in your world Peter?

Isn't it wonderful too how the McCann critics have spent the last three days dissing the Tapas 9's evidence and the moment I begin to prove that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been down the town that night by reference to independent witnesses, all of a sudden the Tapas 9 evidence is now in vogue?  So predictable.   

Yeah, you'll have to run that one by me again. I must have missed that bit...  I don't know how many times we have to tell you this. For every independent witness you claim places Gerry there at 10pm, there's another that doesn't.  You cannot rely on any of the timings, the Smith sighting *could* have been Gerry, it's indisputable.

Whatever you say C Ed..... but the McCanns were never even arrested.  How can you spin that? THEY WERE NOT ARRESTED.

[C.Edwards]

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

So why are you posting that it was Gerry McCann that the Smiths saw when even the Smiths aren't sure.  Is this what passes for evidence in your world Peter?

Isn't it wonderful too how the McCann critics have spent the last three days dissing the Tapas 9's evidence and the moment I begin to prove that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been down the town that night by reference to independent witnesses, all of a sudden the Tapas 9 evidence is now in vogue?  So predictable.   

Yeah, you'll have to run that one by me again. I must have missed that bit...  I don't know how many times we have to tell you this. For every independent witness you claim places Gerry there at 10pm, there's another that doesn't.  You cannot rely on any of the timings, the Smith sighting *could* have been Gerry, it's indisputable.

Whatever you say C Ed..... but the McCanns were never even arrested.  How can you spin that? THEY WERE NOT ARRESTED.

...YET

Hey, OJ wasn't convicted of the Nicole Brown Simpson murder. Strange things happen.  I really don't get this argument that because someone hasn't had legal action taken against them, they can't be suspected of having done something.

[Rachel Granada]

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

So why are you posting that it was Gerry McCann that the Smiths saw when even the Smiths aren't sure.  Is this what passes for evidence in your world Peter?

Isn't it wonderful too how the McCann critics have spent the last three days dissing the Tapas 9's evidence and the moment I begin to prove that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been down the town that night by reference to independent witnesses, all of a sudden the Tapas 9 evidence is now in vogue?  So predictable.   

Yeah, you'll have to run that one by me again. I must have missed that bit...  I don't know how many times we have to tell you this. For every independent witness you claim places Gerry there at 10pm, there's another that doesn't.  You cannot rely on any of the timings, the Smith sighting *could* have been Gerry, it's indisputable.

Whatever you say C Ed..... but the McCanns were never even arrested.  How can you spin that? THEY WERE NOT ARRESTED.

...YET

Hey, OJ wasn't convicted of the Nicole Brown Simpson murder. Strange things happen.  I really don't get this argument that because someone hasn't had legal action taken against them, they can't be suspected of having done something.

....YET.  What are waiting for then?

[C.Edwards]

You see Rachel everything I post on here is based on available evidence, as there is no evidence of where Gerry deposited Madeleine's body I am unable to comment.

So why are you posting that it was Gerry McCann that the Smiths saw when even the Smiths aren't sure.  Is this what passes for evidence in your world Peter?

Isn't it wonderful too how the McCann critics have spent the last three days dissing the Tapas 9's evidence and the moment I begin to prove that Gerry McCann could not possibly have been down the town that night by reference to independent witnesses, all of a sudden the Tapas 9 evidence is now in vogue?  So predictable.   

Yeah, you'll have to run that one by me again. I must have missed that bit...  I don't know how many times we have to tell you this. For every independent witness you claim places Gerry there at 10pm, there's another that doesn't.  You cannot rely on any of the timings, the Smith sighting *could* have been Gerry, it's indisputable.

Whatever you say C Ed..... but the McCanns were never even arrested.  How can you spin that? THEY WERE NOT ARRESTED.

...YET

Hey, OJ wasn't convicted of the Nicole Brown Simpson murder. Strange things happen.  I really don't get this argument that because someone hasn't had legal action taken against them, they can't be suspected of having done something.

....YET.  What are waiting for then?

Haven't we been here before?  Is this a short term memory issue?

We're waiting for evidence that's considered incriminating enough to be worth charging them, fairly obviously?