Could Madeleine have been abducted between 9.30 and 10.00?

[Luz]

This I call harassment. The pros just cab't avoid it!

[Redblossom]

Anne and Peter, I would tend to agree with those opinions. They, unfortunately, make sense.

I agree with the unfortunately and would like very much to read different points of view.
Yesterday I wrote I had been touched by Jane Tanner sobbing. Viewing that so-called reconstruction part, I was touched again. I'd like to know if I'm alone or not.

She agreed to go back for the Mccann reconstruction documentary. She obviously did not know what was awaiting her.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

just to clarify - are you or are you not anne guedes@aacg ?

Amaralseilàoque, this is an obsession or what ? Ask Gilet, he knows everything.

thankyou for your reply

So there are two French women called Anne Guedes who both live in Portugal and have posted about Madeleine in exactly the same way?

[peter claridge]

Anne and Peter, I would tend to agree with those opinions. They, unfortunately, make sense.

I agree with the unfortunately and would like very much to read different points of view.
Yesterday I wrote I had been touched by Jane Tanner sobbing. Viewing that so-called reconstruction part, I was touched again. I'd like to know if I'm alone or not.

She agreed to go back for the Mccann reconstruction documentary. She obviously did not know what was awaiting her.

She was acting, the whole scene was set up to explain away the fact that Jes Wilkin's didn't see her walk by... and the excuse that they came up with was it didn't matter that Jes didn't see her.  Problem solved (cough)

[icabodcrane]

I feel that pertinent to this discussion is Matthew Oldfield's check on the Mccann children at around 9.30pm that night.
I have some questions about this.

- Why did he do an internal check that night at that time, as opposed to external checks outside the children's bedroom window every other time, including earlier that night.

- Why, if deciding or being asked to do an internal check, did he not actually check? If his check was only for sounds, why the need to enter the apartment?

- Why did he, if wondering where Madeleine slept, and why did he wonder this? not look inside the children's bedroom properly, but rather go further out of his way to go and look inside the parents' bedroom to see if Madeleine was sleeping there?

Is it because if he'd have checked at the window he would have seen it open due to Jane Tanner's claimed sighting of the abductor?

Is it because if he'd have entered the bedroom he would have noticed that Madeleine wasn't there due to Jane Tanner's claimed sighting of the abductor?

See above

It's quite striking when you put it like that

...  Matthew Oldfield took the exact actions that were necessary for him to  'miss'   the fact that Madeleine had already been abducted

[peter claridge]

I feel that pertinent to this discussion is Matthew Oldfield's check on the Mccann children at around 9.30pm that night.
I have some questions about this.

- Why did he do an internal check that night at that time, as opposed to external checks outside the children's bedroom window every other time, including earlier that night.

- Why, if deciding or being asked to do an internal check, did he not actually check? If his check was only for sounds, why the need to enter the apartment?

- Why did he, if wondering where Madeleine slept, and why did he wonder this? not look inside the children's bedroom properly, but rather go further out of his way to go and look inside the parents' bedroom to see if Madeleine was sleeping there?

Is it because if he'd have checked at the window he would have seen it open due to Jane Tanner's claimed sighting of the abductor?

Is it because if he'd have entered the bedroom he would have noticed that Madeleine wasn't there due to Jane Tanner's claimed sighting of the abductor?

See above

It's quite striking when you put it like that

...  Matthew Oldfield took the exact actions that were necessary for him to  'miss'   the fact that Madeleine had already been abducted

These actions also didn't exist until after the alarm was raised courtesy of the Smith sighting!

[AnneGuedes]

Anne and Peter, I would tend to agree with those opinions. They, unfortunately, make sense.

I agree with the unfortunately and would like very much to read different points of view.
Yesterday I wrote I had been touched by Jane Tanner sobbing. Viewing that so-called reconstruction part, I was touched again. I'd like to know if I'm alone or not.

She agreed to go back for the Mccann reconstruction documentary. She obviously did not know what was awaiting her.

I've a feeling JT transferred in time and space her sighting. She did it for honest reasons, certainly not to cover up. She knew cynical comments made on her memory improving with time. She must have found it unjust and yet she might have had a terrible doubt.

[AnneGuedes]

just to clarify - are you or are you not anne guedes@aacg ?

Amaralseilàoque, this is an obsession or what ? Ask Gilet, he knows everything.

thankyou for your reply

So there are two French women called Anne Guedes who both live in Portugal and have posted about Madeleine in exactly the same way?

The art of wasting one's time !
There's a British Anne Guedes who lives in Lisbon. She's my cousin. She hardly knows the MC case, I don't think it's her.
There are many others I don't know.
Do you pretend to see my Identity Card ?

[AnneGuedes]

I feel that pertinent to this discussion is Matthew Oldfield's check on the Mccann children at around 9.30pm that night.
I have some questions about this.

- Why did he do an internal check that night at that time, as opposed to external checks outside the children's bedroom window every other time, including earlier that night.

- Why, if deciding or being asked to do an internal check, did he not actually check? If his check was only for sounds, why the need to enter the apartment?

- Why did he, if wondering where Madeleine slept, and why did he wonder this? not look inside the children's bedroom properly, but rather go further out of his way to go and look inside the parents' bedroom to see if Madeleine was sleeping there?

Is it because if he'd have checked at the window he would have seen it open due to Jane Tanner's claimed sighting of the abductor?

Is it because if he'd have entered the bedroom he would have noticed that Madeleine wasn't there due to Jane Tanner's claimed sighting of the abductor?

See above

It's quite striking when you put it like that

...  Matthew Oldfield took the exact actions that were necessary for him to  'miss'   the fact that Madeleine had already been abducted

One thing is to fake listening no crying at all. Another to pretend Madeleine was sleeping tight since JT had seen her being carried away fifteen minutes earlier.
MO did no cover up. He tried to help (himself as well, since he left his kid alone).

[peter claridge]

Anne and Peter, I would tend to agree with those opinions. They, unfortunately, make sense.

I agree with the unfortunately and would like very much to read different points of view.
Yesterday I wrote I had been touched by Jane Tanner sobbing. Viewing that so-called reconstruction part, I was touched again. I'd like to know if I'm alone or not.

She agreed to go back for the Mccann reconstruction documentary. She obviously did not know what was awaiting her.

I've a feeling JT transferred in time and space her sighting. She did it for honest reasons, certainly not to cover up. She knew cynical comments made on her memory improving with time. She must have found it unjust and yet she might have had a terrible doubt.

Jane Tanner didn't see anything, she didn't leave the table until the alarm was raised.  Total fabrication as are Mathews checks as are for that matter Gerry's, Russell's and Kate's.  The timelines that they produced are a direct result of the Smith sighting.

[AnneGuedes]

Anne and Peter, I would tend to agree with those opinions. They, unfortunately, make sense.

I agree with the unfortunately and would like very much to read different points of view.
Yesterday I wrote I had been touched by Jane Tanner sobbing. Viewing that so-called reconstruction part, I was touched again. I'd like to know if I'm alone or not.

She agreed to go back for the Mccann reconstruction documentary. She obviously did not know what was awaiting her.

I've a feeling JT transferred in time and space her sighting. She did it for honest reasons, certainly not to cover up. She knew cynical comments made on her memory improving with time. She must have found it unjust and yet she might have had a terrible doubt.

Jane Tanner didn't see anything, she didn't leave the table until the alarm was raised.  Total fabrication as are Mathews checks as are for that matter Gerry's, Russell's and Kate's.  The timelines that they produced are a direct result of the Smith sighting.

I don't agree at all and I wonder what makes you so affirmative, because those TP7 had no reason whatsoever to cover up any crime. They told some untruths, very likely, but for good reasons or what they honestly but rapidly thought were good reasons : trying to orientate the PJ towards an abduction they believe had occurred (because of the shutters/window), trying to avoid accusations of neglect (saving their skin as well).
Really, had I been one of the TP in a foreign totally ignored country (they were in a resort, close to 100% British), I would have reacted their way.

[peter claridge]

Anne and Peter, I would tend to agree with those opinions. They, unfortunately, make sense.

I agree with the unfortunately and would like very much to read different points of view.
Yesterday I wrote I had been touched by Jane Tanner sobbing. Viewing that so-called reconstruction part, I was touched again. I'd like to know if I'm alone or not.

She agreed to go back for the Mccann reconstruction documentary. She obviously did not know what was awaiting her.

I've a feeling JT transferred in time and space her sighting. She did it for honest reasons, certainly not to cover up. She knew cynical comments made on her memory improving with time. She must have found it unjust and yet she might have had a terrible doubt.

Jane Tanner didn't see anything, she didn't leave the table until the alarm was raised.  Total fabrication as are Mathews checks as are for that matter Gerry's, Russell's and Kate's.  The timelines that they produced are a direct result of the Smith sighting.

I don't agree at all and I wonder what makes you so affirmative, because those TP7 had no reason whatsoever to cover up any crime. They told some untruths, very likely, but for good reasons or what they honestly but rapidly thought were good reasons : trying to orientate the PJ towards an abduction they believe had occurred (because of the shutters/window), trying to avoid accusations of neglect (saving their skin as well).
Really, had I been one of the TP in a foreign totally ignored country (they were in a resort, close to 100% British), I would have reacted their way.

You would have lied about a sighting of an abductor, lied about carrying out checks on other peoples children.  You'd only have done this if there was something more sinister to cover up.  The group minus Dianne Webster were fully aware of the circumstances surrounding that evening before leaving for the tapas bar.

[icabodcrane]

Anne and Peter, I would tend to agree with those opinions. They, unfortunately, make sense.

I agree with the unfortunately and would like very much to read different points of view.
Yesterday I wrote I had been touched by Jane Tanner sobbing. Viewing that so-called reconstruction part, I was touched again. I'd like to know if I'm alone or not.

She agreed to go back for the Mccann reconstruction documentary. She obviously did not know what was awaiting her.

I've a feeling JT transferred in time and space her sighting. She did it for honest reasons, certainly not to cover up. She knew cynical comments made on her memory improving with time. She must have found it unjust and yet she might have had a terrible doubt.

Jane Tanner didn't see anything, she didn't leave the table until the alarm was raised.  Total fabrication as are Mathews checks as are for that matter Gerry's, Russell's and Kate's.  The timelines that they produced are a direct result of the Smith sighting.

I don't agree at all and I wonder what makes you so affirmative, because those TP7 had no reason whatsoever to cover up any crime. They told some untruths, very likely, but for good reasons or what they honestly but rapidly thought were good reasons : trying to orientate the PJ towards an abduction they believe had occurred (because of the shutters/window), trying to avoid accusations of neglect (saving their skin as well).
Really, had I been one of the TP in a foreign totally ignored country (they were in a resort, close to 100% British), I would have reacted their way.

You would have lied about a sighting of an abductor, lied about carrying out checks on other peoples children.  You'd only have done this if there was something more sinister to cover up.  The group minus Dianne Webster were fully aware of the circumstances surrounding that evening before leaving for the tapas bar.

I'm interested in your theory peter ...  any chance you could give us a brief summing up of what you think might,  theoretically,  have happened  ?

[AnneGuedes]

Really, had I been one of the TP in a foreign totally ignored country (they were in a resort, close to 100% British), I would have reacted their way.

You would have lied about a sighting of an abductor, lied about carrying out checks on other peoples children.  You'd only have done this if there was something more sinister to cover up.  The group minus Dianne Webster were fully aware of the circumstances surrounding that evening before leaving for the tapas bar.

No I wouldn't have lied about sighting an abductor if I hadn't, not for moral reasons but basically because I wouldn't have sound convincing !
But If I had seen some unexpected person, I might have taken the opportunity and made a few corrections in order to have things run.
Yes I would have pretended I checked kids for the sake of not adding more suffering to the group, being sure that all parents were good parents (even if thinking that 2 of them were lacking imagination).
Now what if I had discovered later I was wrong...
That's a dilemma. A real one.

[sadie]

Anne and Peter, I would tend to agree with those opinions. They, unfortunately, make sense.

I agree with the unfortunately and would like very much to read different points of view.
Yesterday I wrote I had been touched by Jane Tanner sobbing. Viewing that so-called reconstruction part, I was touched again. I'd like to know if I'm alone or not.

She agreed to go back for the Mccann reconstruction documentary. She obviously did not know what was awaiting her.

I've a feeling JT transferred in time and space her sighting. She did it for honest reasons, certainly not to cover up. She knew cynical comments made on her memory improving with time. She must have found it unjust and yet she might have had a terrible doubt.

Jane Tanner didn't see anything, she didn't leave the table until the alarm was raised.  Total fabrication as are Mathews checks as are for that matter Gerry's, Russell's and Kate's.  The timelines that they produced are a direct result of the Smith sighting.

I don't agree at all and I wonder what makes you so affirmative, because those TP7 had no reason whatsoever to cover up any crime. They told some untruths, very likely, but for good reasons or what they honestly but rapidly thought were good reasons : trying to orientate the PJ towards an abduction they believe had occurred (because of the shutters/window), trying to avoid accusations of neglect (saving their skin as well).
Really, had I been one of the TP in a foreign totally ignored country (they were in a resort, close to 100% British), I would have reacted their way.

You would have lied about a sighting of an abductor, lied about carrying out checks on other peoples children.  You'd only have done this if there was something more sinister to cover up.  The group minus Dianne Webster were fully aware of the circumstances surrounding that evening before leaving for the tapas bar.

I'm interested in your theory peter ...  any chance you could give us a brief summing up of what you think might,  theoretically,  have happened  ?

Yep, I would love to hear Peters theory.

He knows that Jane Tanner didn't leave the table.

He knows that Matthew, Gerry, Kate and Russell fabricated their checks on the children

I wonder what else he knows?

Peter

Jane Tanner didn't see anything, she didn't leave the table until the alarm was raised.  Total fabrication as are Mathews checks as are for that matter Gerry's, Russell's and Kate's.  The timelines that they produced are a direct result of the Smith sighting.

Jeez yuo know such a lot.  Were you there Peter? 

Psst .... were you the watcher/getaway driver ?

You can tell me; I wont tell anyone