Could Madeleine have been abducted between 9.30 and 10.00?

[Gildas]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

[faithlilly]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

The supporters of the abduction believe Tanner saw Madeleine with her kidnapper at 9.15 although I believe someone on this board has put forward a theory that Tanner saw the abductor on her second visit to her apartment at about 9.45.

[Gildas]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

The supporters of the abduction believe Tanner saw Madeleine with her kidnapper at 9.15 although I believe someone on this board has put forward a theory that Tanner saw the abductor on her second visit to her apartment at about 9.45.

I was not aware that Jane Tanner had made a second visit, Faithlilly. I had started wonder if she had seen the abductor at a later time, and the second visit would explain this. I shall have to look up the thread you mention, and read about it there.

[Carana]

What are the possibilities?

Both sightings were of Madeleine
Neither were
One or the other were

[Heriberto Janosch]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

The supporters of the abduction believe Tanner saw Madeleine with her kidnapper at 9.15 although I believe someone on this board has put forward a theory that Tanner saw the abductor on her second visit to her apartment at about 9.45.

I was not aware that Jane Tanner had made a second visit, Faithlilly. I had started wonder if she had seen the abductor at a later time, and the second visit would explain this. I shall have to look up the thread you mention, and read about it there.

Please Gildas, visit ...

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2012/10/the-abduction-of-madeleine-mccann-report.html

and

http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com.es/2013/04/could-madeleine-mccann-be-abducted-in.html

And we are discussing this topic also here ... http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1183.0

Heri.

[icabodcrane]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

Good question Gildas

As far as I can see,  if there was an abduction,  it could have happened any time between the time Madeleine was last seen  (  by Gerry at 9.10pm )  and found to be missing by Kate at 10.05pm

Why the McCanns  insist that she was abducted at  precisely 9.15pm  is baffling

I understands it accomodates Jane Tanner's  sighting,  but  her evidence is not,  and never was,  absolute  proof of an abduction  ...  the possibility should be considered,  of course,   but to dismiss any  other  possibility on the strength of it just  doesn't seem sensible at all 

[Heriberto Janosch]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

Good question Gildas

As far as I can see,  if there was an abduction,  it could have happened any time between the time Madeleine was last seen  (  by Gerry at 9.10pm )  and found to be missing by Kate at 10.05pm

Why the McCanns  insist that she was abducted at  precisely 9.15pm  is baffling

I understands it accomodates Jane Tanner's  sighting,  but  her evidence is not,  and never was,  absolute  proof of an abduction  ...  the possibility should be considered,  of course,   but to dismiss any  other  possibility on the strength of it just  doesn't seem sensible at all

The abduction took place 1 minute before Jane sighting. Jane and Smiths sighting reinforce each other indicating an abduction. What is not clear is only at what time Jane saw the abductor.

Heri.

[icabodcrane]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

Good question Gildas

As far as I can see,  if there was an abduction,  it could have happened any time between the time Madeleine was last seen  (  by Gerry at 9.10pm )  and found to be missing by Kate at 10.05pm

Why the McCanns  insist that she was abducted at  precisely 9.15pm  is baffling

I understands it accomodates Jane Tanner's  sighting,  but  her evidence is not,  and never was,  absolute  proof of an abduction  ...  the possibility should be considered,  of course,   but to dismiss any  other  possibility on the strength of it just  doesn't seem sensible at all

The abduction took place 1 minute before Jane sighting. Jane and Smiths sighting reinforce each other indicating an abduction. What is not clear is only at what time Jane saw the abductor.

Heri.

It really is not possible to state  "The abduction took place 1 minute before Jane sighting"

That is merely a theory

The fact is,  if there was an abduction at all,   it could have taken place any time between 9.10pm  and 10.05pm

[Gildas]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

Good question Gildas

As far as I can see,  if there was an abduction,  it could have happened any time between the time Madeleine was last seen  (  by Gerry at 9.10pm )  and found to be missing by Kate at 10.05pm

Why the McCanns  insist that she was abducted at  precisely 9.15pm  is baffling

I understands it accomodates Jane Tanner's  sighting,  but  her evidence is not,  and never was,  absolute  proof of an abduction  ...  the possibility should be considered,  of course,   but to dismiss any  other  possibility on the strength of it just  doesn't seem sensible at all

Could it be that Jane's sighting of Gerry and the abductor at the same time provided Gerry with an alibi, Iccabodcrane.

You say that you are baffled by the McCann's decision, well at the time, I was absolutely furious that they might be putting Madeleine's life at risk, by backing the Jane Tanner sighting to the exclusion every other possibility. This was when I started to have doubts about Kate and Gerry

[debunker]

All is pointless speculation.

[Heriberto Janosch]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

Good question Gildas

As far as I can see,  if there was an abduction,  it could have happened any time between the time Madeleine was last seen  (  by Gerry at 9.10pm )  and found to be missing by Kate at 10.05pm

Why the McCanns  insist that she was abducted at  precisely 9.15pm  is baffling

I understands it accomodates Jane Tanner's  sighting,  but  her evidence is not,  and never was,  absolute  proof of an abduction  ...  the possibility should be considered,  of course,   but to dismiss any  other  possibility on the strength of it just  doesn't seem sensible at all

The abduction took place 1 minute before Jane sighting. Jane and Smiths sighting reinforce each other indicating an abduction. What is not clear is only at what time Jane saw the abductor.

Heri.

It really is not possible to state  "The abduction took place 1 minute before Jane sighting"

That is merely a theory

The fact is,  if there was an abduction at all,   it could have taken place any time between 9.10pm  and 10.05pm

Ok, so I say: "The abduction took place before Jane sighting, maybe a minute or so before"

Heri 

[icabodcrane]

I find it difficult to believe that Madeleine was abducted at about 9.15, and I feel that it is more likely that she was abducted between 9.30 and 10. Yet, it appears that no one considers this a possibility.

Is there any reason why Madeleine could not have been abducted between 9.00 and 10.00 ?

Good question Gildas

As far as I can see,  if there was an abduction,  it could have happened any time between the time Madeleine was last seen  (  by Gerry at 9.10pm )  and found to be missing by Kate at 10.05pm

Why the McCanns  insist that she was abducted at  precisely 9.15pm  is baffling

I understands it accomodates Jane Tanner's  sighting,  but  her evidence is not,  and never was,  absolute  proof of an abduction  ...  the possibility should be considered,  of course,   but to dismiss any  other  possibility on the strength of it just  doesn't seem sensible at all

Could it be that Jane's sighting of Gerry and the abductor at the same time provided Gerry with an alibi, Iccabodcrane.

You say that you are baffled by the McCann's decision, well at the time, I was absolutely furious that they might be putting Madeleine's life at risk, by backing the Jane Tanner sighting to the exclusion every other possibility. This was when I started to have doubts about Kate and Gerry

Both Gerry McCann  and  the abductor being seen  within yards of each other at the same time  (  however statisically remote the possibilty ) certainly  does  give Gerry an airtight alibi Gildas

Whether or not that is the reason the McCanns insist that Madeleine was taken at precisely 10.15pm,  dismissing all other possibilities is something we can't know for sure

If there is another reason for it though,  I can't think what it is

[Carana]

Neither Jane nor the Smith family know for sure that it was Madeleine.

Whether it was the same person carrying Madeleine or a different child, or different people carrying her, or different people carrying children who were not her ... it is still an open question as no one seems to have stepped forward to eliminate themselves.

A question: Why did the PJ not organise an e-fit of the person the Smiths saw?

[Heriberto Janosch]

Neither Jane nor the Smith family know for sure that it was Madeleine.

Whether it was the same person carrying Madeleine or a different child, or different people carrying her, or different people carrying children who were not her ... it is still an open question as no one seems to have stepped forward to eliminate themselves.

A question: Why did the PJ not organise an e-fit of the person the Smiths saw?

The dogs showed no evidence, the DNA were inconclusive, no important fingerprints in the window ... Yes. Also that she was abducted by a stranger ...

But we do not coincide in some other aspects, Carana ... 

I think we can rely on three things based on the analysis of eyewitness testimonies:   

1. Kate found the 5A window opened just after 22:00, just before raising the alarm.
2. Jane saw the abductor at 21:15 or 21:45.
3. The Smiths saw the abductor just after 22:00.

Heri.

[icabodcrane]

Neither Jane nor the Smith family know for sure that it was Madeleine.

Whether it was the same person carrying Madeleine or a different child, or different people carrying her, or different people carrying children who were not her ... it is still an open question as no one seems to have stepped forward to eliminate themselves.

A question: Why did the PJ not organise an e-fit of the person the Smiths saw?

The dogs showed no evidence, the DNA were inconclusive, no important fingerprints in the window ... Yes. Also that she was abducted by a stranger ...

But we do not coincide in some other aspects, Carana ... 

I think we can rely on three things based on the analysis of eyewitness testimonies:   

1. Kate found the 5A window opened just after 22:00, just before raising the alarm.
2. Jane saw the abductor at 21:15 or 21:45.
3. The Smiths saw the abductor just after 22:00.

Heri.

About this theory that Tanner may have seen the abductor at 9.45pm    (   at some other check )  rather than at 9.15pm

Are you saying you think she might have lied about seeing Gerry and Jez Wilkins at the same time as seeing the abductor  ?