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Offline TruthSeeker2003

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #345 on: May 30, 2021, 02:59:42 AM »
Can anyone outline the misinformation she is putting out to her members?
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Offline Parky41

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #346 on: May 30, 2021, 11:01:55 AM »
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Much as you try you can’t simply airbrush those inconvenient sightings from the narrative. The neighbour who saw Jodi pass her window just after 5 or the girl on the Easthouses road with a stocky man following on behind. The sighting must have been credible as an appeal was made for this individual to come forward. Of course Stocky Man more than likely was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time but what was interesting was that identification of Jodi by someone who knew her, an identification that put her on the Easthouses Road long after she should have been elsewhere.

The only airbrushing done - is of LM's evidence, this constant shoring it over with nonsense. As with below and again to reiterate here, these strawman arguments of these claimed minutes apart - There were no confirmed sightings of Jodi Jones around this 5pm mark - they would have been used. Plain and simple. We have Ms Lean using similar with the police - that they studiously ignored the sightings of two people - and this, of one of whom definitely knew Jodi and of course the infamous neighbour. Who then chooses to leave them aside herself - to fit in another scenario - Of LM's claims, that AO had told him "just left" - then tangles herself up in knots, does she not? -

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And then, with investigators still studiously ignoring the sightings of two people, one of whom definitely knew Jodi and the statement of a neighbour who said she saw Jodi walking past her window just after 5 o'clock


As she mentions his evidence of saying the door closed, of Jodi leaving whilst he was in the loo. But then stated nowhere in "any of his statements" does he mention "losing track of time" - to tie this in with LM, that perhaps he was correct, that AO had not lost track of time, that Jodi had just left and left therefore around 5.30pm? - therefore who was the couple AB saw? - and mostly, where did all these sightings that the police were "studiously ignoring" go to?, that Ms Lean is swiftly casting aside - in favour or LM telling the truth and AO lying - that he had not said to LM "she has already left to meet you?" Because it is as I say - there were no confirmed sightings of Jodi Jones at this very precise time, of 5.05pm - on the day and time in question. -Thus why Ms Lean can introduce as many scenarios as one likes - depending which one she favours at any given time? By consistently taken these minute areas of truth and trying to build from them - as here, with there had been possible sightings of Jodi on the day in question around t-time. And of LM stating AO had said "Just left".
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That, of course, then opened the other can of worms - when Luke called at 5.38pm to see if Jodi was coming down, Luke claimed Allan Ovens told him Jodi had "just left" and Judith claimed she had no idea almost 50 minutes had elapsed; she'd "lost track of time" and had no idea, at the time, Jodi had been gone so long (supporting Luke's claim that he'd been told Jodi had "just left." Mr Ovens had to know she hadn't "just left" because he said in his later statements that he heard the front door banging when he was in the loo after coming in from work at 4.40pm and assumed that was Jodi leaving. It was he who took the call from Luke almost 50 minutes later and he never, in any of his statements, made mention of losing track of time or not knowing when Jodi left ... so, if Jodi had "just left" at 5.38pm (the original claims being "around 5.30pm) who were the people seen by Andrina Bryson?

What she does do - is highlight yet again - that LM was lying, that AO had not simply said "just left" at all. That Jodi had left whilst he was in the loo. Around 10mins after arriving home from work. Which was no earlier than 4.50pm. That Jodi was not in the house, not home when he got out the loo some 10mins or more after going into it. Thus why this was the official time of her leaving home. Of him hearing the door close as Jodi was going out. And she highlights her sound knowledge of the truth behind these possible sightings, of the false trail they turned out to be - by not sticking to them, of this need to introduce as many scenarios as possible - For multiple scenarios are not needed (Occam's Razor) when one is firm in their beliefs - there was no positive sightings of Jodi Jones on the day and time in question. - simple.


Offline TruthSeeker2003

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #347 on: May 30, 2021, 12:25:25 PM »
I have heard that also but she has also states that he wasn't offered any psychological tests. I am trying to navigate through her conflicting statements.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #348 on: May 30, 2021, 12:45:09 PM »
The only airbrushing done - is of LM's evidence, this constant shoring it over with nonsense.

This is nonsense too ⬇️

What lessons, if any, did Sandra Lean learn following the exposure of Simon Halls guilt in 2012/2013?

Conviction Upheld
This decision is an affront to justice. The CPS knows that there was another burglary that evening in Capel. They know that the SOCOs went directly from  that crime scene to the murder scene. They know that there was DNA on the knife that did not belong to Simon, that the original fibre investigation concluded no match for the fibres, and that the jury was misled into believing that the knife that was used to kill Mrs Albert must have come from an opened drawer in her own kitchen.
They also know that another man confessed to this murder. So why do they insist on keeping an innocent man in prison, and refusing to acknowledge the existence of this other evidence? What can possibly be gained by allowing the real perpetrators to remain free and unpunished?
We will not rest until the whole truth of this case has been made public, and that includes the collusion and cover-up which has allowed this gross miscarriage of justice to persist for so long, and which, sadly, in light of today’s decision, will be allowed to continue.
We will never give up the fight for justice for Simon. The truth will come out – all of it. The DPP himself said that without the fibre evidence, there was no case. The fibre evidence has now been discredited – why is Simon to remain in prison for another man’s crime?
Sandra Lean, who featured Simon’s case in her book “No Smoke” said this morning, “This is a dark day for British Justice. This decision tells us that the justice system in this country would rather allow murderers to walk among us, and innocent men to languish in prison for crimes they did not commit, than simply admit, “We got it wrong.” Any other industry behaving in this way would be closed down – the justice industry is answerable to no-one. The fight for Simon Hall’s freedom goes on
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”[/color]

Simon Hall murdered JA after committing a burglary in Ipswich with his friend Jamie Barker

Simon Hall didn’t leave his DNA at the crime scene

He was ‘forensically aware’ not dissimilar to Luke Mitchell

The fibres were from Simon Hall’s mole skin jeans which he’d purchased from Tesco’s Copdock. He put them in the bottom of the wardrobe - where police forensics found fibres - when he arrived back to his parents house in Snowcroft and disposed of them in Colchester on the Monday night in a industrial bin near where he used to work

The jury were not mislead - the knife Simon Hall used to stab JA came from her kitchen drawer which was photographed pulled open

No one - other than Simon Hall - confessed to having committed the murder because he committed the murder. The only ‘collusion and cover-up’ came from Simon Hall (And all those people he told about the burglary he’d committed in Ipswich just before he murdered)

Simon Halls campaign was one of innocence fraud.

He was wrongly convicted for a ‘burglary gone wrong’. His motive for his crimes was one of a sexual nature.

The truth came out in 2012/13

Keir Starmer wrong to say what he did and in light of the wealth of knowledge we have now it would be interesting to know why he did choose to say what he did

The fibre evidence wasn’t discredited

Simon Hall wasn’t in prison for another mans crime. He was in prison because he killed JA and chose, like Luke Mitchell, to deny the truth

The police did not get it wrong Sandra Lean. They arrested and charged the right man. The right man was subsequently found guilty - regardless of the flawed hypothesis advanced by the crown.

It’s very possible Luke Mitchell also carried out a ‘lust’ murder linked to the paraphilia erotophonophilia

There was a reason why the police asked Luke Mitchell questions about his sexual activity and it was ALL to do with the murder he’d committed and attempting to understand his sexually deviant nature
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #349 on: May 30, 2021, 01:27:35 PM »
I have heard that also but she has also states that he wasn't offered any psychological tests. I am trying to navigate through her conflicting statements.

Luke Mitchell had a ‘psychological test’ prior to trial
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #350 on: May 30, 2021, 04:04:33 PM »
What lessons, if any, did Sandra Lean learn following the exposure of Simon Halls guilt in 2012/2013?

1st January 2011 - re Simon Hall’s appeal verdict
Sandra Lean - ‘skeleton statements’

Conviction Upheld
This decision is an affront to justice. The CPS knows that there was another burglary that evening in Capel. They know that the SOCOs went directly from  that crime scene to the murder scene. They know that there was DNA on the knife that did not belong to Simon, that the original fibre investigation concluded no match for the fibres, and that the jury was misled into believing that the knife that was used to kill Mrs Albert must have come from an opened drawer in her own kitchen.”[/color]

This ⬆️ is very similar to how Sandra Lean has chosen to interpret the DNA in Luke Mitchell’s case 

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #351 on: May 31, 2021, 11:12:49 AM »
Dr Todd Grande - Jodi Jones Case Analysis | Fascination with Death

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Offline Parky41

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #352 on: June 03, 2021, 11:46:30 AM »
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The clothing aspect is so frustrating - it's impossible to know whether the moving of any  the clothes by the scenes of crime officers took place before they were photographed, there's no way of telling whether AW, in going right up to the body, may have accidentally have kicked things into a new position etc.


"There's no way of knowing" - That predictive very telling response given when faced with those clear facts. That the scene was photographed prior to any movement. Which of course it was. And that there is every reason to know that the scene of crime officers moved nothing prior to this point. And of AW - And of course this tells us clearly, that the information that is being pushed out, about the handling of the crime scene - is one of assumption and desperation, to disperse any scrapings of doubt, upon the police.. -  one either does not have the reports around this, or one is choosing to ignore them? But it is clear that she can give nothing - to show with clarity that the scene was anything other than handled with care. - And we know that CD was firm in the evidence he gave, of the critique on the non erection of a tent. - Of his statement of it being one of the finest crime scenes.

So we are left with one area only - that of the non erection of a tent. We know that it was not feasible to put a tent around everything - which we can then make a fair assumption, that advice was given, to gather the items, to put in a closer proximity to then have the tent erected. - clearly done with the opposite of what we are being led to believe, that it was done for the very reason of preservation - Of any possible contamination upon them. And, as has already been highlighted, that this also applies to the coroner or anyone else - traipsing through any other areas of this crime scene - for the woodland was a crime scene not just were Jodi lay, or her clothing. - It was, in effect the whole area, that strip of woodland in its entirety - for at this point, there was no way of knowing where this assault started and finished. - It was extremely important to preserve all, by cordoning the area off and by having no one enter other areas - until the forensic teams could do their job.

And from the forensic teams and of this bleaching the scene - but only in the East end of this woodland strip, prior to the dogs being brought in. Why does one suppose this happened? The forensics, with their equipment already picking up blood trails - none of which were in the East end of this woodland strip. Enough for them to know, even with the rainfall that evening - that may have washed some trails from more exposed areas - there was nothing found in the East end of this woodland nor heading in the direction of Newbattle Abbey college - this is the information you are not being given - instead you are being led to believe, that they were only interested in the dogs scenting one way. Again to tie in with some ludicrous assumptions of fitting up LM. - they were simply going by the evidence before them. That this assault had began in one area and ended close to where Jodi lay. And from there those trails led one way also.

And it only becomes "botched up" - when we have someone coming along, and adding some very strange lines of obtuse reasoning - to yet again shore over those gaping holes in their own account.  - Which shows us, yet again, does it not - That Ms Lean is far from being a credible source on much of anything, does it not? That these incredulous notions are set to muddy the waters, to distract yet again, away from the clear evidence against LM, to disperse doubt upon others. From the police here and onto of course these others, for it is the manipulation of this that then brings about comments, such as "They only bleached the Easthouses side so the dogs would go to Newbattle" - The implication being, that these others, these suspects stayed in these other directions - when it is the clear facts, that there was nothing, no blood trails found by the forensic teams - of anyone escaping in another direction - And of course Ms Lean would not want people to think this way - for these others are important to her - to sway everything away from LM. - The peoples lives that she uses as pawns, does she not? - for she knows without a shadow of a doubt, there is not the slightest bit of evidence - that shows they had anything in the slightest, to do with the death of Jodi Jones.

Offline Mr Apples

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #353 on: June 03, 2021, 01:14:19 PM »
“...Enough for them to know, even with the rainfall that evening - that may have washed some trails from more exposed areas - there was nothing found in the East end of this woodland nor heading in the direction of Newbattle Abbey college - this is the information you are not being given...”

What is your source for the info relating to nothing being found in the east end of the woodland and in the direction of N’battle abbey college (I presume you mean north and northwest here?)? What is the inference from this? That all the evidence found during the physical struggle in the woodland strip was westbound? Aren’t the V break and the point where Jodi’s dead body was found more easterly than westerly? Also, wasn’t it agreed that, at one point during the physical struggle, Jodi had managed to extricate herself from it, ran instinctively and naturally east towards the safety of her own home in Easthouses before her killer caught up with her and managed to overpower her and kill her? I’m not too sure what you mean by nothing was found in the east end of the woodland, Parky41.

Offline Rorschach

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #354 on: June 03, 2021, 01:38:25 PM »
Sandra blatantly lying to her followers again:

https://i.imgur.com/oydjYdM.png

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Offline Rusty

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #355 on: June 03, 2021, 02:10:52 PM »
“...Enough for them to know, even with the rainfall that evening - that may have washed some trails from more exposed areas - there was nothing found in the East end of this woodland nor heading in the direction of Newbattle Abbey college - this is the information you are not being given...”

What is your source for the info relating to nothing being found in the east end of the woodland and in the direction of N’battle abbey college (I presume you mean north and northwest here?)? What is the inference from this? That all the evidence found during the physical struggle in the woodland strip was westbound? Aren’t the V break and the point where Jodi’s dead body was found more easterly than westerly? Also, wasn’t it agreed that, at one point during the physical struggle, Jodi had managed to extricate herself from it, ran instinctively and naturally east towards the safety of her own home in Easthouses before her killer caught up with her and managed to overpower her and kill her? I’m not too sure what you mean by nothing was found in the east end of the woodland,

What on earth have I just read? 

People making things up as they go along.

I think you need to learn how a compass works.

Asking people for sources, but provides non themselves.

We definitely need to see a source, to back up this struggle and [Name removed] making a run for it towards Easthouses.

Mind boggling.

Offline Rusty

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #356 on: June 03, 2021, 02:13:56 PM »
Sandra blatantly lying to her followers again:

https://i.imgur.com/oydjYdM.png

Oh dear. Forbes promotes himself and Lean says it's not that Forbes   @)(++(*

Offline Parky41

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #357 on: June 03, 2021, 04:17:21 PM »
“...Enough for them to know, even with the rainfall that evening - that may have washed some trails from more exposed areas - there was nothing found in the East end of this woodland nor heading in the direction of Newbattle Abbey college - this is the information you are not being given...”

What is your source for the info relating to nothing being found in the east end of the woodland and in the direction of N’battle abbey college (I presume you mean north and northwest here?)? What is the inference from this? That all the evidence found during the physical struggle in the woodland strip was westbound? Aren’t the V break and the point where Jodi’s dead body was found more easterly than westerly? Also, wasn’t it agreed that, at one point during the physical struggle, Jodi had managed to extricate herself from it, ran instinctively and naturally east towards the safety of her own home in Easthouses before her killer caught up with her and managed to overpower her and kill her? I’m not too sure what you mean by nothing was found in the east end of the woodland, Parky41.


East and West - The Easthouses end of this path and the West - Newbattle. No I am not inferring there was nothing found in the NW of this woodland, of course there was. - My "inference" is of after this attack, after the murder. Of there being no trails heading North into the Abbey, or NE, E or SE and S. Very much everything was West and NW. 

The V break is in the bottom half of this woodland strip - to simplify the area, the Newbattle Road end. So more than the half way point. But you are correct, Jodi was attacked in the lower end of the woodland, lower and NW to the V itself where there was blood found on a branch. Where that first blow is shown to have happened. And you are correct, that basic flight which resulted in a blunt force trauma from behind- And she was still in the lower half of the woodland was she not? Thus why she pretty much ended up some 40ft down from this V break. - West. And it is from here we are talking of trails, of bleaching areas of this woodland. Blood from after this attack. Not the droplets on branches from the happening and of course the wall where she sadly lost her life completely.  And it is from here I would like to mention the evidence of AW at court. Where she stated firmly that no one would have gotten Jodi into that woodland against her will, over that V - to which DF remarked, "not even if holding a knife to her" - so from here we are not simply talking about getting her over this V against her will, are we? - For this attack did happen further into the woodland and NW heading to where LM stayed. She was in this woodland, and this far down/across (NW) with someone she knew. - then she was attacked.


And of providing a source, what reports you mean? - to show that there was nothing forensically found to the the East, N, NE etc of this V break. Heading in the direction of Easthouse's/Newtongrange or the actual Abbey?  out with that carving on the tree of course, or do we mean the condom? - funny old thing that, as yet again not a smidgeon of blood around the ground - nothing forensically at all - to link it to the murder of this girl. - and how do we know this Mr Apples, without being privy to any actual reports - for it would be broadcast from the high heavens, rather than this nonsense of compass reading and having people stepping over bodies through walls and trees of course. - not your compass readings and of maps - Ms Leans. -  And of every piece of information we do gleam from Ms Lean. Of those areas of forensics of blood from the actual attack itself. - And that massive gap, that leap to bleaching scene. This is how we know. We know from Ms Lean herself. For they only bleached an area of woodland where nothing was picked up from that forensic equipment. That is why. - For if there had been anything, then there would have been no bleaching of the area at that point. Until those dogs were brought in. And if there had been anything - Ms Lean would not have been shy in telling us - would she?

And not just Ms Lean of course - of given out far more than she knows by that sheer omittance - but of LM's defence teams. There was nothing in that intricate, forensic search of that woodland - that showed this killer escaped anywhere other than West to North West of where Jodi was found. And would one, rather go on this - than these somewhat foolish claims that everything, from the moment Jodi Jones was reported missing - was done on the basis of centering on LM, of this claimed tunnel vision, of those botched forensics and so forth - really?  Which again I would like to touch on those fingernail scrapings. Of this claimed wrong type of testing of one hand and not the other? - These are highly professional forensic bodies. A young girl had been murdered - they know exactly the type of testing and of the type of evidence they would be looking for - utter nonsense. There was nothing of her attacker upon her - plain and simple. No MK no, nobody. And of course of those claims of the scratches, of the further possibility incase the forensic botch up does not sink in, of them happening from branches - of CM "you could not step anywhere without branches getting caught in your hair" - Not one iota picked up from those forensic bodies scouring that woodland - who managed to find that tiny droplet of Jodi's blood upon that branch. - These are the areas that tell us clearly - that there were no blood trails, from after this attack - heading anywhere else.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #358 on: June 03, 2021, 06:30:18 PM »

"There's no way of knowing" - That predictive very telling response given when faced with those clear facts. That the scene was photographed prior to any movement. Which of course it was. And that there is every reason to know that the scene of crime officers moved nothing prior to this point. And of AW - And of course this tells us clearly, that the information that is being pushed out, about the handling of the crime scene - is one of assumption and desperation, to disperse any scrapings of doubt, upon the police.. -  one either does not have the reports around this, or one is choosing to ignore them? But it is clear that she can give nothing - to show with clarity that the scene was anything other than handled with care. - And we know that CD was firm in the evidence he gave, of the critique on the non erection of a tent. - Of his statement of it being one of the finest crime scenes.

‘ Under questioning from defence advocate Donald Findlay QC, Mr Scrimger admitted the police's handling of the crime scene was "not ideal".

He accepted that Jodi's body had been rolled onto a plastic sheet before forensic scientists had the chance to examine her and that Jodi had been exposed to overnight rain.’

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4096295.stm

They really were like the Keystone cops.

And more.

“ Documents have revealed that the criminal investigation was poorly conducted. When officers arrived at the scene, Mitchell was the only member of the party to be escorted to the police station, where he was detained for questioning and stripped naked to have his clothing forensically tested.

It has been noted that police moved Jodi’s body, left it uncovered in the rain overnight and no time of death was taken. Branches which may have held vital evidence were cut down to allow easier access, and officers entered the crime scene without protection – potentially contaminating the area.

The crime scene was later said to be “not ideally managed” by Derek Scrimger, the first forensics officer to arrive the next morning.

An order was also put through by persons unknown to have the crime scene bleached. This was carried out before sniffer dogs arrived, leading the handlers to state in the documents that the dogs were “hampered”

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-herald-on-sunday/20180916/281878709278153


“Questioned by defence QC Donald Findlay, he said the body and clothing should not have been moved before he got there.”

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI'S+WRISTS+TIED+UP+WITH+TROUSERS%3B+Expert+tells+of+body+found+at...-a0126143100
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #359 on: June 03, 2021, 09:21:21 PM »
Sandra blatantly lying to her followers again:

https://i.imgur.com/oydjYdM.png

 *&^^&

Sandra Lean
CS ‘Lying about what Craig? I'm not lying, and haven't lied, about anything. Please state clearly what it is you think I am lying about and I will give you the information to prove I am not.


LCRP ‘Ask Luke. He knows when Scott first came into the picture, he knows where Scott became involved in his legal battle. Rather than casting aspersions on someone who has done so much to help move Luke's case forward, go get the truth from Luke himself, then come back and share it with everyone.



Who is Sandra referring to when she claims ‘someone who has done so much to help move Luke’s case forward’ -

herself of Scott Forbes?
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