Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?

[Nicholas]

Friend tells Jodi murder trial of warning about using path - 30th November 2004

A FORMER schoolfriend of Jodi Jones told her murder trial yesterday that they discussed Jodi's relationship with her boyfriend, Luke Mitchell.

Rachel Quinn, 16, told the High Court in Edinburgh that she and Jodi would chat about Mr Mitchell on the school bus home.

Mr Mitchell, 16, denies murdering 14-year-old Jodi in woods near Roan's Dyke path, between the Newbattle and Easthouses areas of Dalkeith, on June 30 last year. He has lodged special defences of alibi and incrimination.

Miss Quinn said Jodi told her she would often go to Mr Mitchell's house on evenings to ''muck about''. The fellow pupil also said Jodi's mother told her she was not allowed to walk the path alone and that Mr Mitchell had to meet her at the top or at least halfway along.

Miss Quinn, a fifth year pupil at St David's High School, Dalkeith, said she was also a friend of Mr Mitchell, with whom she attended English classes. She said he wore ''scruffy, baggy clothes'', including a green jacket and black baggy trousers, to school.

Mr Mitchell is alleged to have applied a ligature round Jodi's arms and struck her repeatedly on the head, mouth and body with a knife. He is also accused of the unlawful possession of a knife or knives in public places, including St David's High School, and of being concerned in the supply of cannabis resin to a number of people, including Jodi.

Another witness, Andrina Bryson, 26, told the court that on June 30, 2003, she was passing the entrance to the path when she saw a male and a female. She told the jury she saw the male - whose hair she described as looking like that of the character Shaggy from the cartoon Scooby Doo - standing ''quite a few steps away'' from the female. She said his arms were by his sides with his palms facing out.

Advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC, prosecuting, asked: ''How did you interpret that?''

Mrs Bryson replied: ''I just thought it looked very strange.''

She described the male as having ''sandy brownish'' hair, and told the court: ''He had a lot of hair, quite long, quite messy.''

The witness said he wore a green jacket and trousers of a similar colour. Mrs Bryson added that the female, whose face she did not see, had hair with a ''wave'' as if it had been tied in a ponytail and wore a navy blue, hooded jumper and trousers of similar colour.

Mr Mitchell claims that at the time Jodi died he was in or near his home at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith.

The teenager further claims his girlfriend was murdered by a person or persons whose identities are not known.

The trial, before Lord Nimmo Smith, continues.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12410240.friend-tells-jodi-murder-trial-of-warning-about-using-path/

[Parky41]

Faithlilly:

Nothing fits with exactly how LM claimed to have happened - I presume you are jesting here? It does not matter how much you try and squeeze his time to around 45mins - This time was around 90mins. He did not claim to go into the Abbey grounds until after 7pm. You all need to keep up with each other? - Glad to see you do not buy into those ridiculous claims that it could have been MK with the parka on at this gate. Ms Lean and Ms Mitchell will be none too pleased at this? That this 90mins prior to LM meeting with the boys. Of knowing of this ban on the path, of it's isolation. Of not calling back - yes we know, these ridiculous repetitive comparisons - Of this girls parents, knowing they were meeting, up here somewhere, that LM could simply have been running late. Of One household being busy, not keeping track of time, whilst LM is idling around (claimed) And if he had phoned back how different that could have been? That upon the inevitable knowledge, of finding out her daughter had not (claimed) been with Mitchell - The penny dropped? as it may have done, had he phoned back. That Jodi's mother was instantly frantic - she is on the phone to the police in around 10mins - She knew her daughter, and she knew something was seriously wrong? - This girl was not in the habit? of wandering about anywhere else other than where she would say. - on this evening it was with LM. - And we know he knew of this ban - lies upon lies to cover lies. We hear of one other occasion and on this occasion she was with LM.

For many years, on these forums it has been claimed by Ms Lean, that Jodi could no have smoked with LM. That she had cannabis in her system, ingested up to two hours before her death. That LM had none in his. Now we are told that LM had a joint at the Abbey entrance at 7pm. This is around the time of him phoning his mother. Where CM claimed happened prior to him going into the Abbey -  Asking If Jodi had been to the house, how would you know, you are in the garden, don't be silly Mia would let me know, but not if she were being burgled? - However. Now it is claimed, that LM had a joint just inside the Abbey entrance, that he came back out to look for Jodi and phoned his mother? Thus why he could have missed seeing Jodi - It gets better. That he may have been wasted, thus reason as to why time may have been distorted. It gets better still. Strong enough for him to be wasted, for time to be distorted yet ?? - Not strong enough to be in his system. And, it still could not have been with Jodi as what she must have had, was super strong stuff, that strong and of type, that your average 14yr old would not have access to. That Jodi may have been given this super strong stuff, strong enough to knock her senseless? - This new line of reasoning given when asked, how could he not have seen Jodi? - But still holding firmly onto Jodi smoking with someone else and not LM. - What a bloody tangled mess - as stated before, the amount of lies told, to cover lies - just keeps on giving more.

The hair fastener - firstly LM is close enough to see. Then it was moved out of sight by "rolling" Jodi about? How many rolls exactly? That we do not know if AW or SK seen it as they simply were not asked. Skip the police, perhaps they were not asked either, of the photographer who took pictures prior to anyone or items being carefully moved, with respect first of all and with preservation in mind. But once we are finished with a multitude of reasoning, as to why it simply could have been moved out of sight - perhaps the rolling about tangled it deeply into her hair?? - Once we are finished with this we are then told it may have been a reporter who let him know, who put the idea and image into his mind? As with the tree, that snip bit from far down in a statement - of the type of tree. "It's not hard to name the tree when one is being handed the name on a plate?" - Seriously. And it is a lovely line to use is it not - for we are now being given the same of AB - perhaps the nice policeman asked her - "did the jkt have a pocket on the sleeve?" to which AB may have thought, oh wait a minute, now you mention it - it did have! - and one is asking if Ms Lean is a credible source ? - very much so, truly incredible?

Why did LM claim to having no knowledge of this V prior to the evening in question? - Ms Lean "it is not easy to see at first!"
An employee said they saw this bike parked at the V with no boys in sight - nope?, however it is more than feasible now to see this V from some distance away, in a car traveling at around 30pmh? - But not LM who walked this path several times a week.
Why was CM enjoying the summer sunshine on her patio when is was miserable weather? - Ms Lean, I too was enjoying the summer sunshine on the patio (who's) When a dirty black cloud appeared and soaked me??
Why was everyone wearing heavy outer clothing, thick padded jackets, parka's and hoodies? If it was warm and sunny!
Why is CM lying repeatedly in her podcast - Ms Lean, she is simply mistaken- Ok?

[Nicholas]

Somebody  called Johnnyboy Steele is apparently suggesting a square in Glasgow should be named after a bloke who put a few banners of a convicted killer up

Just shows you how far removed from reality some of these individuals actually are

Her name is Jodi Jones 🌻

[Paranoid Android]

Interesting. I had not come across any of this before.

However, is there any reason why I should automatically believe Chris Mooney and Nicola Stow, rather than Sandra Lean?

Dr Lean wasn't there, so isn't in a position to comment - Sole, who is being interviewed by Mooney and Stow, was there.

Any time any young person says anything about LM, whether it's about him enjoying himself in a club days after the murder, cutting up or using cannabis, or about LM having knives at people's throats, they're immediately slapped down by Dr Lean's supporters.

[Nicholas]

Sole, who is being interviewed by Mooney and Stow, was there.

Was Ben Sole interviewed or were the quotes taken directly from the trial ?

[Paranoid Android]

Was Ben Sole interviewed or were the quotes taken directly from the trial ?

Could be from the trial.

Either way. Sole was in the club with LM - Dr Lean wasn't.

[Nicholas]

Does anyone know what case Sandra Lean was involved with in 2002 .- Stephen Manning?

‘Since 2002 Sandra has felt compelled to help innocent victims who have suffered a major injustice. Without payment, she has spent thousands of hours going through evidence and trial transcripts with a fine toothed comb, helping the legal teams out with her time and expertise. She does this because she is passionate about helping these falsely accused and wrongfully convicted people in any way she can, and because she is appalled that the British Judicial system is as flawed as it is, letting so many people down (P.Hughes)
https://miscarriageofjustice.wordpress.com/about/


Who is P Hughs ?

[Nicholas]

Does anyone know what case Sandra Lean was involved with in 2002 .- Stephen Manning?

‘Since 2002 Sandra has felt compelled to help innocent victims who have suffered a major injustice. Without payment, she has spent thousands of hours going through evidence and trial transcripts with a fine toothed comb, helping the legal teams out with her time and expertise. She does this because she is passionate about helping these falsely accused and wrongfully convicted people in any way she can, and because she is appalled that the British Judicial system is as flawed as it is, letting so many people down (P.Hughes)
https://miscarriageofjustice.wordpress.com/about/


Who is P Hughs ?

P Hughs is the name at the bottom of the above blurb - in the link

[faithlilly]

Could be from the trial.

Either way. Sole was in the club with LM - Dr Lean wasn't.

Was he?

Did you think he was paid by the word or recollection?

[Paranoid Android]

Any time any young person says anything about LM, whether it's about him enjoying himself in a club days after the murder, cutting up or using cannabis, or about LM having knives at people's throats, they're immediately slapped down by Dr Lean's supporters.

Told ya! 

[Nicholas]

Was he?

Did you think he was paid by the word or recollection?

Did the nightclub have ccrc and did the police seize it?

[Rusty]

  Nicholas has been on fire this weekend. Great stuff 

[Nicholas]

Did the nightclub have ccrc and did the police seize it?

If the nightclub CCTV was seized and Luke Mitchell was caught on camera - how was his demeanour ?

[faithlilly]

Faithlilly:

Nothing fits with exactly how LM claimed to have happened - I presume you are jesting here? It does not matter how much you try and squeeze his time to around 45mins - This time was around 90mins. He did not claim to go into the Abbey grounds until after 7pm. You all need to keep up with each other? - Glad to see you do not buy into those ridiculous claims that it could have been MK with the parka on at this gate. Ms Lean and Ms Mitchell will be none too pleased at this? That this 90mins prior to LM meeting with the boys. Of knowing of this ban on the path, of it's isolation. Of not calling back - yes we know, these ridiculous repetitive comparisons - Of this girls parents, knowing they were meeting, up here somewhere, that LM could simply have been running late. Of One household being busy, not keeping track of time, whilst LM is idling around (claimed) And if he had phoned back how different that could have been? That upon the inevitable knowledge, of finding out her daughter had not (claimed) been with Mitchell - The penny dropped? as it may have done, had he phoned back. That Jodi's mother was instantly frantic - she is on the phone to the police in around 10mins - She knew her daughter, and she knew something was seriously wrong? - This girl was not in the habit? of wandering about anywhere else other than where she would say. - on this evening it was with LM. - And we know he knew of this ban - lies upon lies to cover lies. We hear of one other occasion and on this occasion she was with LM.

My post was constructed by credible witnesses giving consistent statements. Why you constantly try to muddy the water with mention of Dr Lean and Corrine Mitchell I’ll let the reader decide. So RW and LF see Luke leaning against a gate with that ‘the right length for a parka but not necessarily a parka’ jacket on...not trying to get over the gate to the anonymity of the lush foliage beyond, not hiding his face with that voluminous hood on his ‘parka’ but simply standing there wearing his incriminating apparel for all the world to see. And who did see him, in this murderer’s mantle? Apart from RW and LF...no one. That busy road at peak time...5.45pm, all those cars speeding by, their occupants looking for something, anything to break the monotony of those joyless journeys...but, for them, unfortunately, nothing appears to spur their interest...not even a boy in a poor man’s parka.

You see that’s the thing, in the end there are numerous witnesses adding tiny grains, one at a time, to the shifting pile of sand that the prosecution’s case was built on....the mother impotently forbidding her daughter from using that isolated path even though she knew that she’d be disobeyed, the sister who saw the reality neither admitted, the eagle-eyed neighbour who sees that lovely Jones girl leave her house at just after five, those two witnesses briefly catching sight of her as she made her way to Morris road minutes later and on the other end of that lonely, treacherous path the young boy waiting, walking, then waiting again...those school friends cycling forward and back down Newbattle Road, recollecting a young lad in a bomber jacket both ways...and again the bomber jacket that catches the eye of the couple, it wasn’t the boy but it was his jacket and the executive..the list goes on.

For many years, on these forums it has been claimed by Ms Lean, that Jodi could no have smoked with LM. That she had cannabis in her system, ingested up to two hours before her death. That LM had none in his. Now we are told that LM had a joint at the Abbey entrance at 7pm. This is around the time of him phoning his mother. Where CM claimed happened prior to him going into the Abbey -  Asking If Jodi had been to the house, how would you know, you are in the garden, don't be silly Mia would let me know, but not if she were being burgled? - However. Now it is claimed, that LM had a joint just inside the Abbey entrance, that he came back out to look for Jodi and phoned his mother? Thus why he could have missed seeing Jodi - It gets better. That he may have been wasted, thus reason as to why time may have been distorted. It gets better still. Strong enough for him to be wasted, for time to be distorted yet ?? - Not strong enough to be in his system. And, it still could not have been with Jodi as what she must have had, was super strong stuff, that strong and of type, that your average 14yr old would not have access to. That Jodi may have been given this super strong stuff, strong enough to knock her senseless? - This new line of reasoning given when asked, how could he not have seen Jodi? - But still holding firmly onto Jodi smoking with someone else and not LM. - What a bloody tangled mess - as stated before, the amount of lies told, to cover lies - just keeps on giving more.

The hair fastener - firstly LM is close enough to see. Then it was moved out of sight by "rolling" Jodi about? How many rolls exactly? That we do not know if AW or SK seen it as they simply were not asked. Skip the police, perhaps they were not asked either, of the photographer who took pictures prior to anyone or items being carefully moved, with respect first of all and with preservation in mind. But once we are finished with a multitude of reasoning, as to why it simply could have been moved out of sight - perhaps the rolling about tangled it deeply into her hair?? - Once we are finished with this we are then told it may have been a reporter who let him know, who put the idea and image into his mind? As with the tree, that snip bit from far down in a statement - of the type of tree. "It's not hard to name the tree when one is being handed the name on a plate?" - Seriously. And it is a lovely line to use is it not - for we are now being given the same of AB - perhaps the nice policeman asked her - "did the jkt have a pocket on the sleeve?" to which AB may have thought, oh wait a minute, now you mention it - it did have! - and one is asking if Ms Lean is a credible source ? - very much so, truly incredible?

Why did LM claim to having no knowledge of this V prior to the evening in question? - Ms Lean "it is not easy to see at first!"
An employee said they saw this bike parked at the V with no boys in sight - nope?, however it is more than feasible now to see this V from some distance away, in a car traveling at around 30pmh? - But not LM who walked this path several times a week.
Why was CM enjoying the summer sunshine on her patio when is was miserable weather? - Ms Lean, I too was enjoying the summer sunshine on the patio (who's) When a dirty black cloud appeared and soaked me??
Why was everyone wearing heavy outer clothing, thick padded jackets, parka's and hoodies? If it was warm and sunny!
Why is CM lying repeatedly in her podcast - Ms Lean, she is simply mistaken- Ok?

[faithlilly]

Told ya! 

It never fails to amuse me that those questioning the reliability of Dr Lean as a credible source are willing to gobble up any old bought and paid for nonsense printed in the tabloids

Intellectual snobbery? You betcha !