Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?

[Nicholas]

The ‘killer groupies’

I’m referring to these men not the women

although....


CAD: ‘Can I just ask...
Obviously the movement picked up more traction since the documentary came out. Since there is more interest in this has it made any difference?
Has luke said anything since the doc came out? Are more people writing to him now? I'm genuinely curious to know...


EM: ‘I was the same before I started writing to Jeremy Bamber, now he can’t shut me up!  Just tell him you’re one of his supporters to start with, a bit about yourself and ask if there’s anything more you can do to help him and/or the campaign.  Avoid asking questions about the case (let him talk about it if he wants to) and then be patient waiting for a reply as he’ll be overrun with letters (which is a good thing, it’ll be important and uplifting to him to physically see all the support he has).

[mrswah]

I believe  Sandra Lean is a credible source, and I would recommend her book ("Innocents Betrayed").

Who has read it, as a matter of interest ????

[Brietta]

I believe  Sandra Lean is a credible source, and I would recommend her book ("Innocents Betrayed").

Who has read it, as a matter of interest ????

I think Sandra Lean is an incredible source.  I would not recommend her book to anyone as I have been singularly unimpressed with quotations from it which I know to be false when compared with other available information.

I have not read her book.  I do not need to.  I have read and watched much of her narrative via internet sources - right from the horse's mouth you might say - and I am incredulous that any one would give her the time of day.

[mrswah]

I think Sandra Lean is an incredible source.  I would not recommend her book to anyone as I have been singularly unimpressed with quotations from it which I know to be false when compared with other available information.

I have not read her book.  I do not need to.  I have read and watched much of her narrative via internet sources - right from the horse's mouth you might say - and I am incredulous that any one would give her the time of day.

Ah, but you haven't read the book!

And I expect quite a few people on here haven't !!!

[Brietta]

Ah, but you haven't read the book!

And I expect quite a few people on here haven't !!!

Why would I read her book?

What would it tell me that is at variance with what she posts - pods - and videos?

You recommend it.  So tell me what new information you think I will glean from it.

[Paranoid Android]

Ah, but you haven't read the book!

And I expect quite a few people on here haven't !!!

You seem to be implying that the only way to gain knowledge of the case is from SL's book.

[faithlilly]

I believe  Sandra Lean is a credible source, and I would recommend her book ("Innocents Betrayed").

Who has read it, as a matter of interest ????

I read it back when it was published in 2018 and again more recently. I think it’s an excellent introduction to the case.

[faithlilly]

You seem to be implying that the only way to gain knowledge of the case is from SL's book.

It certainly is a good springboard to further research.

[mrswah]

You seem to be implying that the only way to gain knowledge of the case is from SL's book.

Not the only way.  The best way would be to have been in court for the trial.

But, for people like me who don't live in Scotland, and who had never even heard of the case until joining this forum, it is very informative. 

I don't believe it's full of lies, either. I dare say it contains some mistakes, but I expect most books of that kind do.

[mrswah]

Why would I read her book?

What would it tell me that is at variance with what she posts - pods - and videos?

You recommend it.  So tell me what new information you think I will glean from it.

Lots of well researched detail-------IMO.

[Nicholas]

And some have sense to ask - as what is being suggested, regardless of which way one may look at in, however many options of nonsense are pushed out. That it is completely ludicrous to tie this stocky man in with someone who knew this girl. But we do not have to of course. As there has been nothing in the slightest - to confirm that this was Jodi herself. It matters not, how many times Ms Lean may wish to push DF to the background in all of this - that his team of highly professional bodies looked over every inch of these possible sightings. The excuses - DF could not use any of this as they were not inclusive of the prosecution case. That there was no funding - the usual guff of course: As we know DF included part of a witness statement in respect of the duo on the bike - of a witness that was no inclusive of the trial itself as in being called to give evidence.

We know that DF had asked the boys on the bike - why was your bike up against this wall, close to the V break? - "I dunno?" You see, he did have this statement from the Basically Tool Hire place. The witness was not called of course. He did however attempt to use it, as he had it and he wanted to disperse doubt amongst the Jury. He is the defence after all. He knew this claimed sighting was both impossible and it had not been confirmed for reliability. - But he did not introduce any "possible" sightings of this girl nor that of this Stocky man - for he had seen all of the information on it. He knew these had not been confirmed, that they held no water. There was absolutely nothing to show - that Jodi had left home after 5pm. That she was being "followed" by anyone and most definitely not by her brother, or sisters boyfriend, JF or anyone else. Again we are being asked ("the willfully ignorant") To ignore everything and everyone else to concentrate on Ms Leans slim to nil possibilities of all and everything. Really?

It takes very little common sense to realise - That there was definitely no confirmed sightings of Jodi walking to this path to meet with Luke. If there had been they would simply have been used. By both sides. First of all, when one wants to talk stitch ups - would it have mattered moving AB a couple of minutes forward - and this possible sighting of Jodi a couple of minutes back to tie together. For that is the reality here. One it was not confirmed as Jodi thus not used. If it had been confirmed as her it would simply have been used. And IF it had been a positive sighting, and there was anything at all of substance - that could have shown the sighting by AB to be wrong - It would have been used - Plain and simple. DF would have done to AO, JuJ and anyone else what he did to the duo on the bike - any means to show that Jodi had not left her house shortly after 4.50pm. There simply was nothing to use. There was absolutely nothing in these claims - That Jodi had left much later, that she was being "followed". Irrespective of the press (they hate).There had been possible sightings of a male, walking along in the direction of Morris Road, possibly at the same time as Jodi. Not following - absolute nonsense. - Makes it sound the part however - doesn't it?

This stocky man is nothing more than a smoke screen - for those willing to soak any piece of nonsense up. We know an appeal was put out when witness's first came forward - and we know once the girl with the buggy came forward all changed - perhaps Ms Lean needs to show her statement? We know one witness had gotten her day/ time and ID of the stocky man completely wrong. And DF knew why all the information, ID and timings of this stocky man were also wrong - Not Ms Lean though. One must ignore every other piece of evidence. It is irrelevant as they do not fit with Ms Leans theories - those ever so accurate fictional pieces of narrative? "those rivers of ink?"

There’s a reason Sandra Lean pushes the innocence fraud of these other killers and fraudsters - like Nick Rose - and of statements not used in court and other ‘sightings’ and it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with truth and justice

At the end of Sandra Lean’s speech here https://www.movementinmedia.com/innovation-of-justice.html @ approx 18.03 when she announces she had attended Nick Rose’s funeral the day before; she mentions the alleged witnesses who claim to have seen Charlotte Pinkney alive after it was claimed she was murdered.

By ‘supporting’ these other innocence fraud campaigns I suspect she hopes they will bolster and lend a hand to her own stories on the LM case

Witnesses allegedly seeing dead people 🙄 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSNyiSetZ8Y

[Brietta]

Lots of well researched detail-------IMO.

What a shame she doesn't carry her research ability over to her internet activities because I have seen no evidence of it there.  The contrary certainly.

[Nicholas]

Then there’s this moron,

Johnnyboy Steel
‘Hi everyone, just a wee update on the latest discussions that myself, Stuart Dempsey, jinxy Mitchell and Darren Carson have been having over the last few weeks on how to further preceed in the fight for justice for Luke Mitchell. We have combed over certain locations that we believe will be of interest to us in our plight. We see ourselves as a dedicated and committed team of MCKENZIE ADVISERS to help the movement to  secure Lukes fight for freedom .We have meticulously planned for other events that will disrupt the corupt! Lol. Mind and keep the protest on the 3rd peaceful and respectful. Look forward to seeing you all there.

“Great turnout at George Squre today. We were late in getting there through no fault of our own. I felt a sense of pride to find that all of you were standing your ground whilst battling the torrential rain and soaked to the skin! You should be proud of this achievement.  It was a pleasure to have met you today, and thank for waiting till we arrived, and God bless you that had to leave before we got there. We know we have a great team on stand by for future events. YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET FOLKS.

The good news is there are almost 5 000 AMIGOS ON THIS PAGE,and all of us have one thing in common and that is to help get justice for Luke and jodie. Its not fair to suggest that myself, Stuart Dempsey jinxy Mitchell and Darren Carson are the 4 Amigos as that puts us on the radar. We see ourselves as more like MCKENZIE ADVISERS  for the campaign and will assist in many ways. If JESUS joined the campaign tomorrow, we would still have an uphill battle on our hands! And it will be a long hard fight to achieve our goal.

Who is he kidding

Johnnyboy Steele
‘I HAVE AN IDEA: LET'S ALL TIE A YELLOW RIBBON AS A TOKEN OF OUR SUPPORT FOR LUKE.  WRITE HIS NAME ON THE RIBBON BEFORE TYING IT TO A TREE,LAMPOST, LAWYERS OFFICE DOORS, TRAINS ,WINDOWS,POLICE STATION DOORS, JAIL GATES,ECT. USE YOUR IMAGINATION FOLKS. PLEASE GO TO UTUBE AND TYPE IN THE SONG "TIE A YELLOW RIBBON" AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS SONG IS MEANT FOR THE THOUSANDS OF LUKE SUPPORTERS.

Of course he does - he wants to show [Name removed] and her family as much contempt and disrespect as is possible - he couldn’t careless about justice

“Scotland’s drugs deaths tolls is a matter of national grief and shame. This is rightly being treated as a public health emergency.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/7117105/bradley-welsh-russell-findlay-msp-threat/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=scottishsuntwitter&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Stuart Dempsey McMillan

https://www.scotsman.com/news/two-charged-over-dealing-cocaine-worth-ps2m-1703533

https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff84760d03e7f57ebdb0b

[Bullseye]

I believe  Sandra Lean is a credible source, and I would recommend her book ("Innocents Betrayed").

Who has read it, as a matter of interest ????

I’ve got it a couple of years ago, read it again after the documentary. It’s got so much info in it, I would also recommend to anyone with an interest in the case.

[Nicholas]

“Scotland’s drugs deaths tolls is a matter of national grief and shame. This is rightly being treated as a public health emergency.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/7117105/bradley-welsh-russell-findlay-msp-threat/amp/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=scottishsuntwitter&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Heroin flooded Edinburgh after Islamic Revolution leaving piles of bodies and sparking crime-spree

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/how-1979-islamic-revolution-brought-24121902