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Offline Parky41

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #480 on: June 13, 2021, 12:36:50 AM »
It certainly is - Surely not the first time you have read that forum threads on the case though?

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CM Sept 2010:

Well we are on our 4th set of legal teams now, we finally have legal teams sussed!!!!! We call the shots.....and we have all our boxes ticked!!!! 

If we hadn't been so niave 6years ago we wouldn't be here now.....but 6 years on......we have learnt!!God have we learnt!!


Well heres hoping the SCCRC will read Lukes case and see it for what it is......a true miscarriage of justice.
No DNA belonging to Luke yet DNA belonging to others
witnesses changing their statements
Incorrect description of Jodis clothing
Incorrect times given by witnesses
inadaquate police investigation
disgusting crime scene management
"facts" taken at face value and not corroberated
.........and so the list goes on....................
The SCCRC will have a hell of a lot of reading to do!!!!!!!!!!

The SCCRC's first commitee meeting for Lukes case will be on the 18th October.2010. They hope to reach a decision by 31st May.

Well I think once they start reading Lukes case there will be a lot of ....." WHAT?"being asked!!!!!And certainly a lot of confusion on their part on how L&B could have been so incompetent it beggars belief!From the very first moment of them appearing at the scene, the first policeman left the body unattended then leaving the body uncovered......and that's just the first few hours..................

 I would like to say - this way of writing certainly is illuminating - it almost "Beggars belief"

However - wishful thinking was it not? - 2014 before the refusal came back - certainly was a lot of reading? And not one thing has changed. From the refusal it has been one false claim after another of startling new evidence.
Of funds needed, of time running out - to now being told to be patient. It will be at least 5 - 10yrs more?

One thinks the "lot of confusion" - would be along the lines of trying to work around the multiple areas of obtuse reasoning? - And that report saying No, here it is (Mr Kellys statements) No, here they are (The phone logs) No, here it is (The ID of the mystery man) Quite an endless list - to show Ms Lean that nothing was buried, it was all disclosed to the defence at the time, as with the Crown - And Ms Lean has always known this as:


SL - 2010.
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Until all of the necessary documents have been made available, the latter isn't possible, but moves are afoot!!!

And those moves have been afoot for a long time. - Of how easy it has been to fool people, who do not take the time for one moment to think - This is exactly what it would be like if only a defence were allowed inside a court room. That ease at cherry picking all and everything they choose - that complete bias that is in itself empty of context and truth.

I read a comment earlier - from KB. "what do you suppose they were doing for 42 days at trial, playing marbles?"

Perhaps they meant - one has lost their marbles somehow, if they believe that LM was convicted on air.



Offline faithlilly

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #481 on: June 13, 2021, 12:46:48 AM »
It certainly is - Surely not the first time you have read that forum threads on the case though?

 I would like to say - this way of writing certainly is illuminating - it almost "Beggars belief"

However - wishful thinking was it not? - 2014 before the refusal came back - certainly was a lot of reading? And not one thing has changed. From the refusal it has been one false claim after another of startling new evidence.
Of funds needed, of time running out - to now being told to be patient. It will be at least 5 - 10yrs more?

One thinks the "lot of confusion" - would be along the lines of trying to work around the multiple areas of obtuse reasoning? - And that report saying No, here it is (Mr Kellys statements) No, here they are (The phone logs) No, here it is (The ID of the mystery man) Quite an endless list - to show Ms Lean that nothing was buried, it was all disclosed to the defence at the time, as with the Crown - And Ms Lean has always known this as:


SL - 2010.
And those moves have been afoot for a long time. - Of how easy it has been to fool people, who do not take the time for one moment to think - This is exactly what it would be like if only a defence were allowed inside a court room. That ease at cherry picking all and everything they choose - that complete bias that is in itself empty of context and truth.

I read a comment earlier - from KB. "what do you suppose they were doing for 42 days at trial, playing marbles?"

Perhaps they meant - one has lost their marbles somehow, if they believe that LM was convicted on air.

No, bias….but it’s got similar components.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #482 on: June 13, 2021, 02:42:38 AM »

Isn't it just !!

I don't think it is in the slightest unless you didn't know that at one time John had given Mitchell the benefit of the doubt and thought there might have been a miscarriage of justice and was keen to investigate that.  I thought he had made that plain somewhere on this forum.

Bear in mind he was a cop whose training enables him work from the evidence.
His obvious interest in possible MOJs and his in depth study brought him into close contact with the main protagonists in the Mitchell case.

Which I think allows him the first hand knowledge to make very informed judgements having started on a different side of the fence from where he is in now.

I fail to understand the snide comments.  Just terribly rude, or even close to breaking forum rules.
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Offline TruthSeeker2003

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #483 on: June 13, 2021, 11:30:32 AM »
Yep


And Charlotte Anne Downy has defaced road signs - which is against the law in Scotland and could have potentially devastating consequences ie; cause a road traffic accident  *&^^&


Edit - I done it but those signs are deceptively large! Luckily you can still make it out when driving past but it's much smaller than I anticipated.
I live in Kincardine. It's a commuter town as we have the Kincardine bridge so most people travelling from north to south will likely have to cross either the Kincardine bridge or the forth. We also get all the other flow traffic coming from Edinburgh.
And we have the police training college here just moments from my home 🤣 so guess what's getting peppered with stickers once they arrive lol.
I'm going to stick this on the bridge a bit later on. Just to note, nothing will be damaged or destroyed. Nothing will be spray painted. Simply putting up a sign that doesn't read "look who's turning 40" 🙄🤣



She’s even uploaded photographs of her ‘handiwork’

And further states in response to Tricia Anderson who thinks it’s ‘fantastic’

Tricia Anderson I was gonna do that but I would need to do that on like a sheet or something. This is just a small-ish sign going on the community garden thing right next to the bridge so it can be seen by people driving past.
When I started writing I realized no one would be able to catch the links cause they would be written so small but yeah it's so important to get the information out there x


 *&^^&

Hopefully that too will get reported to the police

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #484 on: June 13, 2021, 11:30:43 AM »
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CM Sept 2010:

Well we are on our 4th set of legal teams now, we finally have legal teams sussed!!!!! We call the shots.....and we have all our boxes ticked!!!! 

If we hadn't been so niave 6years ago we wouldn't be here now.....but 6 years on......we have learnt!!God have we learnt!!


Well heres hoping the SCCRC will read Lukes case and see it for what it is......a true miscarriage of justice.
No DNA belonging to Luke yet DNA belonging to others
witnesses changing their statements
Incorrect description of Jodis clothing
Incorrect times given by witnesses
inadaquate police investigation
disgusting crime scene management
"facts" taken at face value and not corroberated
.........and so the list goes on....................
The SCCRC will have a hell of a lot of reading to do!!!!!!!!!!

The SCCRC's first commitee meeting for Lukes case will be on the 18th October.2010. They hope to reach a decision by 31st May.

Well I think once they start reading Lukes case there will be a lot of ....." WHAT?"being asked!!!!!And certainly a lot of confusion on their part on how L&B could have been so incompetent it beggars belief!From the very first moment of them appearing at the scene, the first policeman left the body unattended then leaving the body uncovered......and that's just the first few hours..................


"facts" taken at face value and not corroberated


Like the moped bing parked at the V in the wall


I don’t know if Corinne Mitchell is in denial or on some subconscious level knows Luke killed Jodi

What I do know is she ties herself in knots each time she opens her mouth; especially with her contradictions and ‘story telling’ which for me I view as very similar to Simon Hall’s mother Lynne.






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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #485 on: June 13, 2021, 11:35:44 AM »

Of funds needed, of time running out - to now being told to be patient. It will be at least 5 - 10yrs more?


This charade is nothing more than an attempted scam

And it’s very possible Luke Mitchell’s murder conviction could be made into a whole life tariff
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline TruthSeeker2003

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #486 on: June 13, 2021, 11:36:50 AM »
There are many more where that came from. Sandra’s work on previous mojs like Simon Hall for instance.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #487 on: June 13, 2021, 11:38:18 AM »
There are many more where that came from. Sandra’s work on previous mojs like Simon Hall for instance.


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Yep another scam which Sandra Lean chooses to not acknowledge and which makes what she’s attempting to do now all the more deplorable
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline TruthSeeker2003

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #488 on: June 13, 2021, 11:44:50 AM »
We are seeing so many people quote sandra leans book as there source, the only source for facts on the case.

My question is she a credible source?

Reading these forums and other places online:

There is real question as to how long sandra really knew the mitchell family before  its claimed

Books with various misleading claims - "typos" on names, wrong info on dna and more. Its clear she is a  very active member on these support social media groups, why doesnt she correct any of the rubbish that is posted?

↘️↘️↘️↘️↘️↘️ A previous case from Sandra’s past↘️↘️↘️↘️

Stephanie said she has never doubted her husband, whom she met when they worked at an electricity company in her home town of Ipswich.

“There was never a shadow of a doubt that they had the wrong guy,” she said.

“He didn't have it in him – he's too sensitive and kind.”

She added: “Of course people have judged me.

“But nobody understands what it's like unless they've been through it themselves.”

Stephanie explained that her relationship with Simon grew into love about five years ago.

“There was always a vibe between us at work,” she said.

“He was a good looking guy but was a bit younger than me and loved the girls!

“I’d always written to him in prison but then we started writing almost every day.

“We realised that the spark was real.”

She added: “At first he was very guarded. Going into prison had broken him and he had to put on a mask to pretend he was coping.

“But we fell in love through our letters and phone calls and he started opening up.”




Its been claimed shes been seen on various forums misleading , lying, using various account names , attacking different familys?

She has a history of supporting failed campains. Some have went onto to admit guilt and some failed appeals etc etc. How many successful campains has she lead or been involved in?

Her partner at the time now ex was the name on the first website/forum to support luke mitchell and run the website from shetland and sandras home when he stayed there. It was closed, said to because of issues of the charitys accounts? Billy middleton from shetland ( google him, very shady )

Its also said online sandra said to mrs hall she had doubts over luke mitchells innocence in 2014? Simon hall is someone who sandra campained for and featured in one of her books. He later admitted his guilt

edit: i forgot to add this https://neilwilby.com/2020/06/22/dr-truthseeker-loses-her-moral-compass/


Not sure if ive missed anything, just some things ive picked up browsing.
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Offline TruthSeeker2003

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #489 on: June 13, 2021, 11:48:53 AM »
Yep another scam which Sandra Lean chooses to not acknowledge and which makes what she’s attempting to do now all the more deplorable
We are seeing so many people quote sandra leans book as there source, the only source for facts on the case.

My question is she a credible source?

Reading these forums and other places online:

There is real question as to how long sandra really knew the mitchell family before  its claimed

https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/4715790.capel-st-mary-my-simon-is-innocent/

Books with various misleading claims - "typos" on names, wrong info on dna and more. Its clear she is a  very active member on these support social media groups, why doesnt she correct any of the rubbish that is posted?

Its been claimed shes been seen on various forums misleading , lying, using various account names , attacking different familys?

She has a history of supporting failed campains. Some have went onto to admit guilt and some failed appeals etc etc. How many successful campains has she lead or been involved in?

Her partner at the time now ex was the name on the first website/forum to support luke mitchell and run the website from shetland and sandras home when he stayed there. It was closed, said to because of issues of the charitys accounts? Billy middleton from shetland ( google him, very shady )

Its also said online sandra said to mrs hall she had doubts over luke mitchells innocence in 2014? Simon hall is someone who sandra campained for and featured in one of her books. He later admitted his guilt

edit: i forgot to add this https://neilwilby.com/2020/06/22/dr-truthseeker-loses-her-moral-compass/


Not sure if ive missed anything, just some things ive picked up browsing.
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Offline Parky41

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #490 on: June 13, 2021, 11:50:33 AM »
As above. CM 2010.

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Well we are on our 4th set of legal teams now, we finally have legal teams sussed!!!!! We call the shots.....and we have all our boxes ticked!!!!

4th set of legal teams in 6 yrs? - This is at the time of the submission to the SCCRC. Where help with legal areas of the submission was done, as Ms Lean claims - pro bono? Around this breach of Human rights - and it is the one thing that the SSCRC agree in part with, along the lines of the trial judge and so forth? - The sensible parts from professionals?

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Well heres hoping the SCCRC will read Lukes case and see it for what it is......a true miscarriage of justice.

Nope.

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No DNA belonging to Luke yet DNA belonging to others

Naughty as only now being told the truth, of there being lots (that law of averages) that LM could not be excluded from being the contributor of. Not to forget the shambles of attempting to sort and understand them. Definitely none upon him, connecting him to the murder. Or his house. - We know however that LM did not have to go home and shower. We know he was covered in clothing. We know that what ever clean up was required, left the boys he met remarking that he did not look his usual unkempt self. We know that LM's room was clean and tidy on that first raid on the 4th of July. Cleared of his habits, not this that? - LM had only started to store bottles of p**s after the murder. - They knew that raid was going to happen.

And of Nicholas and nothing upon LM's boots - Tells us everything of LM's awareness of DNA implication. Tells us that LM knew exactly where that trail began. Exactly why his thoughts were -of not getting him over that wall, to "get his DNA there" - There and upon him. He had already been over, but only to a point of showing the others where. Not a step closer. Astute enough to be distancing himself, to what he believed could be used to implicate him. - naive in his age to not realise, that it would not have mattered. - his mind locked into one thing - to distance himself from any trace of DNA picked up. - LM knew exactly at what point to stop.

And this is why, is it not - that it came back to bite him. With all he claimed to have seen. For he could not have seen any of this from where he was at. To that point he could not cross.

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witnesses changing their statements


We know. Ms Mitchells son Shane changed his at her request. Making those holes impossible to close and bottomless?

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Incorrect description of Jodis clothing


Not from Luke, he gave a perfect description, right down to that red hair band. Of the tree and all else

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Incorrect times given by witnesses

Will that be five past five until 5.45pm? From 9pm until 10.40pm? From the length of time LM claimed to be on Newbattle Road. SM?

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inadaquate police investigation

Quite the opposite. The Mitchells could not have banked on the police being the police though, as opposed to "the police did not bank on Luke being Luke" - They certainly did not. Not one single tear shed.

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disgusting crime scene management

Manged perfectly well by LM. So much so he knew exactly where to go and of how far he could go. The bad policeman was not getting his DNA there. And we have been shown nothing to back this up other than innuendo. The fat coroner. That total contradiction of believing they should have been traipsing everywhere in this woodland strip -which at this point, was the crime scene. Of an extremely difficult locus. Of clothing being scattered and all else - we are led away from all that was carefully done, at which points, on who's orders and so forth. 

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"facts" taken at face value and not corroberated


Where to start? 




Offline rulesapply

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #491 on: June 13, 2021, 12:25:06 PM »
Your link is very illuminating in several ways.
I don't know why you find my quote illuminating. Nothing I've said is a secret. It's all in the public domain. I just had to look for it. Up to you if you want to read anything else into it.

Offline Paranoid Android

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #492 on: June 13, 2021, 12:27:39 PM »
I thought he had made that plain somewhere on this forum.

I fail to understand the snide comments.  Just terribly rude, or even close to breaking forum rules.

He definitely has.

Offline rulesapply

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #493 on: June 13, 2021, 12:48:53 PM »
I don't think it is in the slightest unless you didn't know that at one time John had given Mitchell the benefit of the doubt and thought there might have been a miscarriage of justice and was keen to investigate that.  I thought he had made that plain somewhere on this forum.

Bear in mind he was a cop whose training enables him work from the evidence.
His obvious interest in possible MOJs and his in depth study brought him into close contact with the main protagonists in the Mitchell case.

Which I think allows him the first hand knowledge to make very informed judgements having started on a different side of the fence from where he is in now.

I fail to understand the snide comments.  Just terribly rude, or even close to breaking forum rules.
Yes he has. It was somewhere on this forum someone said he was once helping with Mitchell's case and how he'd changed his mind. Not only that, John answers and confirms it.

Offline Parky41

Re: Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?
« Reply #494 on: June 13, 2021, 01:05:31 PM »

"facts" taken at face value and not corroberated


Like the moped bing parked at the V in the wall


I don’t know if Corinne Mitchell is in denial or on some subconscious level knows Luke killed Jodi

What I do know is she ties herself in knots each time she opens her mouth; especially with her contradictions and ‘story telling’ which for me I view as very similar to Simon Hall’s mother Lynne.


It's a puzzler? - For me there is no doubt that LM was not at home. And unless we were to hear exactly what took place upon his arrival home, we will never know.

We know there was help. - What we will never know is what he said to his mother. That made her believe it was not him? For it is extremely hard to fathom that line one must cross - to protect someone knowing they had murdered another And to think of SM here, at that point on the stand. When those pictures were put before him - That point of realising exactly what had happened to Jodi Jones, to his brothers girlfriend.  - Of knowing exactly what the Crown were dealing with. And of him telling the truth. Of exactly what he had been asked to cover for. 

What did LM tell his mother?, what in turn did CM have to tell her other son, to get him on board - to change that statement? That 'may' have made them believe, somehow that LM had come across Jodi dead? That he needed protected, in case - the police should blame him? That he did have that blood upon him, that he had been the one meeting with her and so forth.

The evidence does not change - He was there, he was witnessed. The endless holes over all that happened over the course of that evening. - Is the same.

And to revert back to Jigsawman here - of those claims of a family taking a certain course of action that came to a point they could not retract from, of it being too late - Is this what happened with the Mitchells? Did CM believe whatever her son had told her, helped to cover for fear of being implicated? We know it is impossible to put ourselves in anyone shoes. And of being unable to fathom that a young lad could carry out such a horrific attack. And onto a parent covering for something, of all the horror it entailed. - We just do not know - only that the evidence tells us that this did happen. - The reasons, a motive and all else, remain a mystery. - Unless one were to explain exactly what did happen.

And of that time from the murder. Of this friendship taken place. Of the time moving on when LM thought there would be no arrest. Is it from these points that CM and Ms Lean were busy working out who killed Jodi Jones? - CM believing that perhaps Luke had been telling the truth. That the help she gave him was justified. Of Ms Lean working along with this. Is this where those feeders began? Of the duo, of the Jones family. of the mystery man? - Of taking evidence to scrapyards and so forth. Fed primarily from the Mitchells, from what they had actually done? From a mind made up, before LM's arrest. And from that point doing exactly what Faithlilly highlighted - of looking for criminality in everything.

And it has been firm and more intense from the moment that LM was arrested, to sitting trial - and to being found guilty. Of those failed appeals. To Ms Lean becoming POA - to having those defence papers placed in her hands - And that complete tunnel vision. Of completely 'air brushing over' - every part of that which came from the Mitchells. To scouring those statements , looking for lies, looking for that criminality. - To building up their own case, to raising those questions. - They had already made up their mind, before LM was arrested in 2004, as to who they thought killed Jodi Jones - And every single thing that has happened, of all that was gotten hold of - was already tainted to the max. It was tainted to the max by that very person - who had gotten his mother to believe him, on his arrival home that day. - It was set and controlled from the very beginning, by LM.


And this is where I was coming from, when I was accused of 'picking on Ms Lean' - When I made claim to a woman, who from the moment she became entailed with the Mitchells has set out - IMO, and others - to destroy the Jones family. That with the aid of the Mitchells one had already tried and convicted them. And it has been the very theme that has been fed, as early as 2005, that I know of. - From Jigsawman and goodness knows who else. Onto the books, the documentaries - but mostly in these very forums. And we know this is is true - For every single conversation to be had - directly as a result of these books and so forth - Is primarily, a who done it - which one of this girls family killed their sister/daughter. - Truth and Justice? - Truth be damned, revenge perhaps - by way of these puppets - for LM. - The person who is controlling all of it.