Is DR Sandra Lean a credible source?

[Nicholas]

Stephanie Nicol
‘She can’t argue with the fact Jodi has never had Justice with what has come of all of this.
Regardless of opinion of Luke’s innocence, this case should’ve been watertight to put somebody in prison and put an end to the heartache of Jodi’s death and the fact that it isn’t (enough for there to be a campaign) shows there is still Justice to be done.
To say it’s “lies, mis-truths” etc is easy. To prove it is something she seemingly can’t do (so far)
If everything Sandra and the other experts involved within the case have said was lies, she would’ve been sued long ago her book would never have been published (or quickly taken off sale) and the documentaries wouldn’t have happened. An appeal is not a retrial. I’ve read the appeals papers, it is not a re-examination of evidence. It’s an examination on what influence any new evidence (evidence which was not available or known of at time of trial) or procedure failure may have had on the Jury’s decision.
Appeal court Judges are not Juries. They don’t get to find somebody Not Guilty based on evidence given at the trial. They can only work within the means they have if there is significant evidence to show that if the Jury was to have been able to take into consideration vital new evidence, there probably would’ve been a different outcome.
I recommend anybody to read the Appeal papers. It’s fascinating (and scary) to discover the actual process of an Appeal.

Stephanie Nicol may want to ask herself WHY Sandra Lean has chosen someone like Stephen T Manning/checkpoint press and why the book hasn’t been ‘taken off sale’ - and even though Sandra Lean made claim in October 2019 the book had been withdrawn

No Smoke was published more than 12 years ago, before I had access to all of the case papers and I haven't read it/referenced it for many years. The book was based largely on court transcripts, which were all I had at the time. I've contacted the publisher today to ask for the book to be withdrawn.

‘In addition to all Manning’s lies against Diggory Press and Rosalind Franklin and any other innocents caught in the path – hundreds and hundreds of Manning lies, ever evolving, constantly contradicting –  and an ongoing barrage of other dirty tricks, threats and harassment, Manning did dirty things like entering multiple false claims against Diggory Press Ltd in the small claims court (alleging anything damaging he could make up), and then going to the press and saying “Diggory Press have all these claims against them for fraud, theft, abuse etc etc  ..” and the press printed that as fed to them by Manning without checking it out. This sounded terrible and did make their name mud, but what the reckless press did not report was all these claims were all nonsense claims entered and paid and sponsored for by Manning, operator of a wannabe rival business, Checkpoint Press, and that none of these claims had any truth or substance to them – some of these claims even used false names!

Some of these claims were so bogus it was laughable (e.g. the person, “VK’ who was not even a customer claiming £250 for the loss of an unsolicited CD disc she’d supposedly sent into DP), – laughable claims that is, if it had not had such a devastating affect on Rosalind and her business, and also the genuine Diggory Press customers who suffered because of Manning’s criminal and perjurious activity which in time affected all of them

‘No Smoke: The Shocking Truth About British Justice, by Sandra Lean is published by Diggory Press, Exposure Publishing
https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025

’Diggory did what?’

https://www.diggorypress.com/diggory-did-what

[Nicholas]

I asked her live on air but she never answers. Not surprised really because she can't answer.  She has a wholly damaged reputation as an advocate for convicted killers given what has happened.

Not to the convicted killers and some of their family members she doesn’t

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[TruthSeeker2003]

I understand they have the wrong end of the stick but even if what she is saying is true,  who could blame Judith Jones for looking satisfied that her daughter's killer is going to stay in prison for a very long time? I don't blame her. I call that, some kind of justice  and she can smile till the End of Days as far as I'm concerned. She's one of the very.few people who deserve a voice.

Here we go again, another disciple using Jodi Jones to try an get YouTube hits.

Sharon Sunshine, Sharon Indy Young

“My chat with exoneree Jason Strong”

My partner in crime having a chat with Jason. I would really like you guys to take the time to see that Luke is not a one off. These things happen all to often.

Note* Sometimes people have something to say about things being off-topic, personally I don't see the harm in enlightening people who want to help Luke getting a deeper understanding of the struggles that other people face in trying to clear their name.

[TruthSeeker2003]

AE: ‘So guys, quite confused of the today's update. What was the update? Am I missing something despite Luke's new legal team and slating Fiona 🤔

She is protecting her minions.

[TruthSeeker2003]

Jeez. Now where have I heard those words before.

The UFO spotter again and the keyboard gangster

[TruthSeeker2003]

I think one is probably correct - the mere fact that no name of family member has been given, should be enough to tell people that this has not come directly from Jodi's immediate family. The point made however is bang on the money.

This campaigner - whom not once from all I have read, has ever contacted any member of this girls family. She claims to, under this complete false premise to have written "The true story of the murder of Jodi Jones". She has since time began on this, and I will say it again, because it is stark in its reality - had some personal beef around why, in her opinion - this girls family were not given the same treatment by the police and media - as the Mitchell family. That while in one hand, claims the treatment of the Mitchell family was wrong, that in her opinion there was a clear case of double standards - and the hypocrisy, yet again of going about things in such a way - that the results, from the few brain cells out there, are doing exactly what it says on her tin of a book - by giving this girls family the treatment, these people feel they deserve. - In what is without a shadow of a doubt - double standards.

This back up bleat of falseness - Of not wanting the same to happen to others as happened to the Mitchells is a Joke. There is clearly a vendetta of sorts. And it is more than fair to say - that the books which led into the documentaries, podcasts and so forth - are the direct cause of this. And it is clearly by way of "half truths. misinformation and downright lies" - that clear hypocrisy and contradiction in attempting to call Jane Hamilton out for this. - And how does Ms Lean know, that not one single picture/poster has been put up anywhere in Midlothian, Edinburgh is classed as Midlothian, is it not? - furthermore. this clear divide, this split by these campaigners, these fall outs - Ms Lean can not make a statement, that she can not know to be fact. _ She is in control of nothing. - This divide of CM backing some whilst others are backing Ms Lean.

And of this vendetta?? - From a person. Whom had without a shadow of doubt. Became involved with the Mitchells in 2003. Had declared LM as not being responsible, when she became interested in the murder of Jodi Jones. And from that moment with media articles and all else, along with the Mitchells discussed whom they felt may have been responsible for her death?

And from here. From peoples belief and perception that some well known expert in the field of criminology - is trusted, that she must be correct in what she has said and done - That it all must be true with this naive bleat of "no-one has taken any action against her"? - this is on par with LM's awareness of DNA implications. - That everything by book has been done by that fine line - Of knowing exactly where that cross over to liable begins. -Sneaky, intelligent and deliberate? For there has been far more said on forums over time. Under many guises and most definitely from those long time faithful followers. Scouring and trolling every person involved in this case. Every discussion where able to - to ram those opinions down one's throat. 

One would get the correct impression would they not - that this use of a sunflower on the front of IB, these posters of Jodi going up in the fight for LM, this blatant take over of this girl, her death and all else - is a hateful prod directly at Jodi's immediate family is it not? - That these people who have put blind faith in this campaign. Who are blaming Jodi's mother, brother, sister, grandmother, aunts and all else for LM's incarceration - These puppets, peddling the wares that in effect come directly from LM himself. This clear case of double standards - When there is nothing other than these half truths and clear misrepresentation of the actual facts in this case - that no doubt stemmed from as early as 2003. Does Ms Lean not class this "WE" she mentions as the very spreaders of lies, half truths and misinformation" Nicholas has already put up many of the comments.

So yes, in effect. By using this sunflower on the book, by using this girls picture - by having no right at all to take over anything to do with this girl - This charade of truth and Justice - is a Joke. There is nothing truthful or Just about it. Ms Lean, IM humble O - is a fraud. The nerve, the hypocrisy and that contradiction of calling, yet again Jane Hamilton out, when one backs every single lie, every half truth and every single piece of misinformation as a direct result of her, of all she has touted out - With that completely false premise of using Jodi Jones, by claiming to tell the "True story" of her murder. - It is LM's story, onto CM and ultimately put together by Ms Lean - it is their version of some twisted format, of what they class as truth. One must end this with - One would not know the truth if it were to smack one directly between the eyes!

Sharon Indy Sunshine & her YouTube channel Liquid Sunshine Crime is all about her  “bragging” rights & ownership of this tradgedy. She is using Jodi a girl who was brutally murdered at 14 as a springboard or stepping stone to try and hit the “big time” with her true crime podcasts. She and Sandra have a mutual agreement to promote each other. I was a moderator in the Official group in the early days but was thrown out because I didn't agree with everything that they said. I was made to believe that the group was as much for Jodi as it is for Luke - this isn't the case. It's merely a promotional tool for Sunshine and the brady bunch.

 I’ve had enough of the charade, I am ready to spill my guts, tell you all what really went on. The only reason that I am saying anything is because I am sick of Jodi’s name being abused by Sandra, Sharon, Kenny, Danielle, Stephanie and the rest of the misinformed team. I lived in the area at the time of the murder, I knew the Jones family. I was hated for that. They were actually jealous of the fact! Make of that what you will as Sandra would say.

[faithlilly]

Sharon Indy Sunshine & her YouTube channel Liquid Sunshine Crime is all about her  “bragging” rights & ownership of this tradgedy. She is using Jodi a girl who was brutally murdered at 14 as a springboard or stepping stone to try and hit the “big time” with her true crime podcasts. She and Sandra have a mutual agreement to promote each other. I was a moderator in the Official group in the early days but was thrown out because I didn't agree with everything that they said. I was made to believe that the group was as much for Jodi as it is for Luke - this isn't the case. It's merely a promotional tool for Sunshine and the brady bunch.

 I’ve had enough of the charade, I am ready to spill my guts, tell you all what really went on. The only reason that I am saying anything is because I am sick of Jodi’s name being abused by Sandra, Sharon, Kenny, Danielle, Stephanie and the rest of the misinformed team. I lived in the area at the time of the murder, I knew the Jones family. I was hated for that. They were actually jealous of the fact! Make of that what you will as Sandra would say.

So if you were a moderator can I assume that you believe that Luke is innocent?

[TruthSeeker2003]

No. I did at first but I learned a few things that put doubt in my mind. I don't know what to think anymore if I am honest.

[rulesapply]

No. I did at first but I learned a few things that put doubt in my mind. I don't know what to think anymore if I am honest.

As far as I'm concerned you can think whatever you like whenever you like. I'm not looking for bootlickers. I'm just looking for non abusive conversation so thanks for providing that.

[faithlilly]

No. I did at first but I learned a few things that put doubt in my mind. I don't know what to think anymore if I am honest.

Can I ask what things you learned that made you doubt your previous stance?

[TruthSeeker2003]

I lost faith in what I was lead to believe. When I questioned anything I was shut down, I was told that I stood up for Jodi too much.

[faithlilly]

I lost faith in what I was lead to believe. When I questioned anything I was shut down, I was told that I stood up for Jodi too much.

That’s not good. Have you got any screenshots you could share?

[TruthSeeker2003]

No. This happened 4 months ago and I had to free up the memory in my phone.

[faithlilly]

No. This happened 4 months ago and I had to free up the memory in my phone.

It’s a real pity that you didn’t download them to another device. With things like this it’s always good to keep evidence. One never knows when they’ll need it.

[TruthSeeker2003]

You are right. It has been a lesson. I was really naive and was completely taken in by them all. I feel used and stupid.