Mark Kane's mother condemns the flawed Ch5 documentary.

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Just to be clear, is this what MK looked like on the evening of 30.06.03? He didn’t have shoulder length hair on that day or anything? Anyone know?

I don't know. I didn't see Kane after he began college but he had more or less the same haircut he has in the picture when he began college and for all the years previously when I did see him. I believe if Kane's hair had been shoulder length in 2003 we would have known about it and I have no idea how quickly Kane's hair grew  but from this picture to shoulder length from when he started college to 2003 is a massive stretch.

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Always has been, always will be, a pawn to play with - to lie about consistently. Only yesterday in that article around the claimed 'break in to prison' - Someone stated that the right person was in Jail. To which someone replied, the the real murderer was dead!! thus why no more similar murders!!

So this unfortunate soul in life and death is having his name branded about as being the killer. - The grief and torment upon his family undeniable. And from here we can put out the biggest lie of them all, where MK is concerned:

That he was never checked out, that the police simply ignored him, brushed him over in the investigation - the truth, he was spoken to and checked out. CCTV footage obtained to confirm where he had bought booze from that evening. Obtained in the very early days of the investigation.

So we really just need to take this blatant lie, that complete manipulation of the facts and apply it across the board. Where the rest is total contradictory BS

I mean, it is stated there is more than one witness claiming they knew he went for booze that day. Then the arms and legs, that it had to be either Eskbank or Newtongrange thus placing him somewhere on Newbattle Road. They don't know where, just that he had to have been on that road. Then the IF's, If it had been Newtongrange then there is a chance he may have passed that gate where F&W ID Luke Mitchell. And IF he were near the gate he may have stopped, and bingo!

But MK stated he went into the woods surrounding the college!! Well it takes you through the Golf Club, onto Abbey Road and up to where he actually did buy booze!! Nowhere near RDP of course and not onto Newbattle Road. For these witnesses did not see MK on that road, they only said he had went for booze the night before, because they told him - the rest is arms and legs!!

I suppose it really is all down to being asked and checked out and having that confirmation, directly from MK of course. Of where he said he went to buy that booze and there he was on CCTV!!

And the fallacy and those complete nonsense claims of being a twin. So once we work our way through the arms and legs and onto being a twin, after all of those IF's - Two youths on Newbattle Road wearing khaki green clothing, spitting image in every way, from head to foot - but only one seen!!  Perhaps one or thee other was nipping in and off the road for a smoke - as Ms Lean states, Mitchell who was out his nut on cannabis forgot track of time!! Yet for years claimed he had not been smoking that evening, to back up that it could not possibly have been Mitchell Jodi had a smoke with!!

And SF, Lean etc state MK was out his nut on drugs too! Running about in parkas to catch the shop for booze!! And that tutor from the Abbey. Just because they said 'no essay exists' does not of course mean, that it never existed!!! - soak it up, churn it round and spit it out.

And Natterjack was correct, they can not even get the basics correct - why on earth would they, too busy trying to finger everyone else!!

I agree. Sadly Kane has been used as a distraction from the truth but not only Kane has been used. The truth being that poor Jodi was murdered by Luke Mitchell.

[Mr Apples]

Always has been, always will be, a pawn to play with - to lie about consistently. Only yesterday in that article around the claimed 'break in to prison' - Someone stated that the right person was in Jail. To which someone replied, the the real murderer was dead!! thus why no more similar murders!!

So this unfortunate soul in life and death is having his name branded about as being the killer. - The grief and torment upon his family undeniable. And from here we can put out the biggest lie of them all, where MK is concerned:

That he was never checked out, that the police simply ignored him, brushed him over in the investigation - the truth, he was spoken to and checked out. CCTV footage obtained to confirm where he had bought booze from that evening. Obtained in the very early days of the investigation.

So we really just need to take this blatant lie, that complete manipulation of the facts and apply it across the board. Where the rest is total contradictory BS

I mean, it is stated there is more than one witness claiming they knew he went for booze that day. Then the arms and legs, that it had to be either Eskbank or Newtongrange thus placing him somewhere on Newbattle Road. They don't know where, just that he had to have been on that road. Then the IF's, If it had been Newtongrange then there is a chance he may have passed that gate where F&W ID Luke Mitchell. And IF he were near the gate he may have stopped, and bingo!

But MK stated he went into the woods surrounding the college!! Well it takes you through the Golf Club, onto Abbey Road and up to where he actually did buy booze!! Nowhere near RDP of course and not onto Newbattle Road. For these witnesses did not see MK on that road, they only said he had went for booze the night before, because they told him - the rest is arms and legs!!

I suppose it really is all down to being asked and checked out and having that confirmation, directly from MK of course. Of where he said he went to buy that booze and there he was on CCTV!!

And the fallacy and those complete nonsense claims of being a twin. So once we work our way through the arms and legs and onto being a twin, after all of those IF's - Two youths on Newbattle Road wearing khaki green clothing, spitting image in every way, from head to foot - but only one seen!!  Perhaps one or thee other was nipping in and off the road for a smoke - as Ms Lean states, Mitchell who was out his nut on cannabis forgot track of time!! Yet for years claimed he had not been smoking that evening, to back up that it could not possibly have been Mitchell Jodi had a smoke with!!

And SF, Lean etc state MK was out his nut on drugs too! Running about in parkas to catch the shop for booze!! And that tutor from the Abbey. Just because they said 'no essay exists' does not of course mean, that it never existed!!! - soak it up, churn it round and spit it out.

And Natterjack was correct, they can not even get the basics correct - why on earth would they, too busy trying to finger everyone else!!

And what about, crucially, what SL refers to was in the case files — that he was spotted, specifically, running on Newbattle rd on the early evening of 30.06.03? Not just before 2200 hrs, buying booze at Haddows? Two separate sightings. Well, that’s what I infer from the ‘Mistaken Identity’ portion of ‘IB’ (starting p.233).

Drawing from my own personal understanding of the case, and my own instinct, I think it’s very unlikely that MK had anything to do with it, but it’s these messy little facets that prevent me from saying, categorically, that Luke is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

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And what about, crucially, what SL refers to was in the case files — that he was spotted, specifically, running on Newbattle rd on the early evening of 30.06.03? Not just before 2200 hrs, buying booze at Haddows? Two separate sightings. Well, that’s what I infer from the ‘Mistaken Identity’ portion of ‘IB’ (starting p.233).

Drawing from my own personal understanding of the case, and my own instinct, I think it’s very unlikely that MK had anything to do with it, but it’s these messy little facets that prevent me from saying, categorically, that Luke is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Kane wasn't spotted by anyone.  Kane and Mitchell both had parkas. When SL found out from SF that Kane also had a parka, the mistaken identity conspiracy theories began.

[faithlilly]

And what about, crucially, what SL refers to was in the case files — that he was spotted, specifically, running on Newbattle rd on the early evening of 30.06.03? Not just before 2200 hrs, buying booze at Haddows? Two separate sightings. Well, that’s what I infer from the ‘Mistaken Identity’ portion of ‘IB’ (starting p.233).

Drawing from my own personal understanding of the case, and my own instinct, I think it’s very unlikely that MK had anything to do with it, but it’s these messy little facets that prevent me from saying, categorically, that Luke is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Shouldn’t Luke’s guilt rest on the evidence against him not the evidence, or lack of, against someone else?

[Parky41]

And what about, crucially, what SL refers to was in the case files — that he was spotted, specifically, running on Newbattle rd on the early evening of 30.06.03? Not just before 2200 hrs, buying booze at Haddows? Two separate sightings. Well, that’s what I infer from the ‘Mistaken Identity’ portion of ‘IB’ (starting p.233).

Drawing from my own personal understanding of the case, and my own instinct, I think it’s very unlikely that MK had anything to do with it, but it’s these messy little facets that prevent me from saying, categorically, that Luke is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

No - there is no witness, here is what passes for the arms and legs of MK being on Newbattle Road. Innocents Betrayed. P.235 by Ms Lean. Under "Mistaken Identity.

"One witness said in a statement that Mr Kane told him police had spoken to him (Mark Kane) because he had been seen running on the Newbattle Road on the evening of the murder. He had gone to one of the local stores to buy alcohol - either Morning Noon and Night (the store where Corinne stopped to buy cigarettes on her way home and where the boys on the pushbikes, who recognized Luke sitting on the wall at the end of his street, were captured on CCTV footage around ten to six), or Eskbank Trading, a convenience store in the opposite direction. Both of these stores would require Mr Kane to traverse the Newbattle Road in order to get them and return to the Abbey."

Ok, where to start. Firstly it would appear that MK is his own witness!! It is him (claimed) telling someone, that he had been seen running on this road. There is no actual witness statement from anyone seeing him running on the road. The, this, "he had gone to one of the local stores" and the supposition and assumption of it being either the one in Newtongrange or in Eskbank.

Let us stop there, now MK is stating he was spoken to by the police. So it is ok to state that everything he therefore said was true, but not that he had been spoken to by the police!! Now add the actual reality, whatever may have been said to the police, MK was spoken to. And whatever was put to MK he told them exactly where he had went for alcohol and they checked, and he had indeed and was on CCTV confirming this.

And the contradiction - of MK stating someone saw him running on the road and the insert of both these local stores would merit him traversing onto this road. Now the truth and the reality - MK had said he had been seen running for alcohol to a local store. Running to catch it before it closed for the evening.This "local store" to the Abbey is in numerous directions. In 2003 the one in Newtongrange used to close by 9pm. As did all Scotmids at the time, did they not? Now the short distance from his student room, is through the Golf house onto Abbey Road and into Dalkeith.

Now, as I have been stating several times, the author whilst attempting to show different points, consistently contradicts herself with others! She claims that MK was not checked for using either the store in Newtongrange or the one in Eskbank - and think. The boys on the pushbikes, she claims, and love the "around ten to six" were seen on the CCTV footage. And of course CM. And think again, that sighting by F&W and this claimed "mistaken Identity" - Did they just miss out the areas of that CCTV footage then!! That had this twin of LM in a parka jacket in that store - No of course they did not. What is shows, without a shadow of a doubt, is that MK was not in that store buying booze. Thus MK was not on that stretch of road and there was no "Mistaken Identity"

And to draw your attention, to just how much any information has been manipulated and morphed as above. Stemming from, "running to a local store to buy booze" then inserting it had to have been one of only two stores if "local"

And this does work across the board, as we had with the bike at the break in the wall - morphed from "close to", to at and at the V - when the break can not be seen from anywhere other than directly beside it. And we know it was a motorist, and we know they were from BTH - and the author knows all of this, and it is morphed into something else, and used, even though she can not fail to know that it is categorically wrong!!

[Parky41]

No - there is no witness, here is what passes for the arms and legs of MK being on Newbattle Road. Innocents Betrayed. P.235 by Ms Lean. Under "Mistaken Identity.

Ok, where to start. Firstly it would appear that MK is his own witness!! It is him (claimed) telling someone, that he had been seen running on this road. There is no actual witness statement from anyone seeing him running on the road. The, this, "he had gone to one of the local stores" and the supposition and assumption of it being either the one in Newtongrange or in Eskbank.

Let us stop there, now MK is stating he was spoken to by the police. So it is ok to state that everything he therefore said was true, but not that he had been spoken to by the police!! Now add the actual reality, whatever may have been said to the police, MK was spoken to. And whatever was put to MK he told them exactly where he had went for alcohol and they checked, and he had indeed and was on CCTV confirming this.

And the contradiction - of MK stating someone saw him running on the road and the insert of both these local stores would merit him traversing onto this road. Now the truth and the reality - MK had said he had been seen running for alcohol to a local store. Running to catch it before it closed for the evening.This "local store" to the Abbey is in numerous directions. In 2003 the one in Newtongrange used to close by 9pm. As did all Scotmids at the time, did they not? Now the short distance from his student room, is through the Golf house onto Abbey Road and into Dalkeith.

Now, as I have been stating several times, the author whilst attempting to show different points, consistently contradicts herself with others! She claims that MK was not checked for using either the store in Newtongrange or the one in Eskbank - and think. The boys on the pushbikes, she claims, and love the "around ten to six" were seen on the CCTV footage. And of course CM. And think again, that sighting by F&W and this claimed "mistaken Identity" - Did they just miss out the areas of that CCTV footage then!! That had this twin of LM in a parka jacket in that store - No of course they did not. What is shows, without a shadow of a doubt, is that MK was not in that store buying booze. Thus MK was not on that stretch of road and there was no "Mistaken Identity"

And to draw your attention, to just how much any information has been manipulated and morphed as above. Stemming from, "running to a local store to buy booze" then inserting it had to have been one of only two stores if "local"

And this does work across the board, as we had with the bike at the break in the wall - morphed from "close to", to at and at the V - when the break can not be seen from anywhere other than directly beside it. And we know it was a motorist, and we know they were from BTH - and the author knows all of this, and it is morphed into something else, and used, even though she can not fail to know that it is categorically wrong!!

This consistent talk of everything that SF claimed, was substantiated in the years to come, by other witnesses, who had said similar things! Really, now even without the arms and legs, it is not hard to see why? For does one imagine that this SF simply spoke to no one else other than MK!!

How does it go, one seeing scratches, onto another being told. One saying they had run for booze at a local store and onto another being told. And they tell someone else and that little bit more, and those Chinese whispers grow into something completely different!!

Before you know it, there are two or three more witnesses, who have been told by that first source, saying similar things - and the end result with it's clear contradiction and proof! Is that MK was not in that shop in Newtongrange buying booze or owt else!!

So again, the waffle upon waffle upon waffle - Proves that he was not in those shops, that he was not on Newbattle Road (we knew this of course, two lads, twins and every other piece of guff). That he was not out of his head on a cocktail of drugs and drink, so much so that he ran to that shop later in the evening to catch it for booze and so forth.

And the waffle about the 50k and this "It makes no logical sense" - it does not matter, it happened, 1k, 5k or whatever!   And the tutor and that essay!! All this, just because she states she can not remember any such essay, or that no essay exists - could mean simply that, that it did not exist at the time of the appeal, and the tutor just simply could not remember ------BUT, they remembered he wrote one about mugging an old person!!! Again that contradiction! Whilst trying to show, claim the tutor may have forgotten, she needs to get in what they did remember, that which was not nice - of mugging an old person!! - Really, well they would certainly have remembered!! Killing a girl in the woods type of story, that is a fact!!

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Maybe the truth was/is it’s Scott Forbes who’s fascinated with ‘torture, mutilated corpses/ porn’ ?

About 4.11 into the video. Smirking, lying. Absolutely no respect.
https://youtu.be/he3TaDrvrZQ

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This consistent talk of everything that SF claimed, was substantiated in the years to come, by other witnesses, who had said similar things! Really, now even without the arms and legs, it is not hard to see why? For does one imagine that this SF simply spoke to no one else other than MK!!

How does it go, one seeing scratches, onto another being told. One saying they had run for booze at a local store and onto another being told. And they tell someone else and that little bit more, and those Chinese whispers grow into something completely different!!

Before you know it, there are two or three more witnesses, who have been told by that first source, saying similar things - and the end result with it's clear contradiction and proof! Is that MK was not in that shop in Newtongrange buying booze or owt else!!

So again, the waffle upon waffle upon waffle - Proves that he was not in those shops, that he was not on Newbattle Road (we knew this of course, two lads, twins and every other piece of guff). That he was not out of his head on a cocktail of drugs and drink, so much so that he ran to that shop later in the evening to catch it for booze and so forth.

And the waffle about the 50k and this "It makes no logical sense" - it does not matter, it happened, 1k, 5k or whatever!   And the tutor and that essay!! All this, just because she states she can not remember any such essay, or that no essay exists - could mean simply that, that it did not exist at the time of the appeal, and the tutor just simply could not remember ------BUT, they remembered he wrote one about mugging an old person!!! Again that contradiction! Whilst trying to show, claim the tutor may have forgotten, she needs to get in what they did remember, that which was not nice - of mugging an old person!! - Really, well they would certainly have remembered!! Killing a girl in the woods type of story, that is a fact!!

Yeah, the money story is absolutely spot on and it was 50K. And SL was correct. What idiot would think that was a good idea?? SL, Forbes did.

[Mr Apples]

All of the replies on this thread, and all of the contents of SL's IB, do not confirm MK's whereabouts between 1700 and 1800 on 30.06.03. Have we to assume, like Parky41 does, that MK's whereabouts for the full day on 30.06.03 were investigated thorougly by the police, nothing incriminating was found, MK was alibied, and was consequently and rightly elimiminated from the enquiry at the time?

[Nicholas]

No - there is no witness, here is what passes for the arms and legs of MK being on Newbattle Road. Innocents Betrayed. P.235 by Ms Lean. Under "Mistaken Identity.

Ok, where to start. Firstly it would appear that MK is his own witness!! It is him (claimed) telling someone, that he had been seen running on this road. There is no actual witness statement from anyone seeing him running on the road. The, this, "he had gone to one of the local stores" and the supposition and assumption of it being either the one in Newtongrange or in Eskbank.

Let us stop there, now MK is stating he was spoken to by the police. So it is ok to state that everything he therefore said was true, but not that he had been spoken to by the police!! Now add the actual reality, whatever may have been said to the police, MK was spoken to. And whatever was put to MK he told them exactly where he had went for alcohol and they checked, and he had indeed and was on CCTV confirming this.

And the contradiction - of MK stating someone saw him running on the road and the insert of both these local stores would merit him traversing onto this road. Now the truth and the reality - MK had said he had been seen running for alcohol to a local store. Running to catch it before it closed for the evening.This "local store" to the Abbey is in numerous directions. In 2003 the one in Newtongrange used to close by 9pm. As did all Scotmids at the time, did they not? Now the short distance from his student room, is through the Golf house onto Abbey Road and into Dalkeith.

Now, as I have been stating several times, the author whilst attempting to show different points, consistently contradicts herself with others! She claims that MK was not checked for using either the store in Newtongrange or the one in Eskbank - and think. The boys on the pushbikes, she claims, and love the "around ten to six" were seen on the CCTV footage. And of course CM. And think again, that sighting by F&W and this claimed "mistaken Identity" - Did they just miss out the areas of that CCTV footage then!! That had this twin of LM in a parka jacket in that store - No of course they did not. What is shows, without a shadow of a doubt, is that MK was not in that store buying booze. Thus MK was not on that stretch of road and there was no "Mistaken Identity"

And to draw your attention, to just how much any information has been manipulated and morphed as above. Stemming from, "running to a local store to buy booze" then inserting it had to have been one of only two stores if "local"

And this does work across the board, as we had with the bike at the break in the wall - morphed from "close to", to at and at the V - when the break can not be seen from anywhere other than directly beside it. And we know it was a motorist, and we know they were from BTH - and the author knows all of this, and it is morphed into something else, and used, even though she can not fail to know that it is categorically wrong!!

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[Nicholas]

Warped Minded Abuser, Gaslighter, Con Artist & Hypocrite Scott Forbes & His Blatant Lies

On the 14th of April 2020 Sónia Poulton tweeted here about abuser and con artist Scott Forbes, and referred to him as a lawyer.

Yet Scott Forbes has never provided any proof he has ever been a practising lawyer, and according to the Law Society he has never been entered with them, ever.

Over a decade ago, Scott Forbes contacted a confidential hotline number……

More here
👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/

[Nicholas]

More on fantasist, blagger and con artist Scott Forbes and his innocent ‘friend’ Mark Kane
Here

http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/19/warped-minded-abuser-con-artist-scott-forbes-his-lies/

Here

http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/20/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-2/

And here

http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-3/


And Sandra Lean
Here

http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/08/21/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-4/