Sandra's exit - The real reasons

[rulesapply]

I’ve no idea

I’ve not yet listened to it in full.

I’ve only managed a few minutes here and there

I listened to it yesterday. It's longer than the other videos though so if you're going to watch it you're going to have to give yourself a  couple of hours if I remember correctly.

[Nicholas]

And the time factors. 10.38pm text telling Jodi to get home.

10.49, Mitchells offer to go to Jodi's to look on the path.

9:00-9:10
Killer Luke Mitchell allegedly arrived home early ?

10:00pm
Luke Mitchell seen walking past the neighbours house

What was he doing and where was he going ?

10:38pm - text from JuJ
Where specifically was killer Luke Mitchell when he received this text message?

We know he wasn’t in his house as Corinne Mitchell said something like ‘he came back in’

So where was he coming back in from exactly?

And at what time was he supposed to be in his bedroom watching TV or whatever?

[Nicholas]

I listened to it yesterday. It's longer than the other videos though so if you're going to watch it you're going to have to give yourself a  couple of hours if I remember correctly.

2 hours?

 

[rulesapply]

2 hours?

 

More than. After 2hours 9 minutes in, Shaun Attwood says that if drugs were legalised Jodi may still be alive. That's the standard. You're not missing anything.

[Nicholas]

More than. After 2hours 9 minutes in, Shaun Attwood says that if drugs were legalised Jodi may still be alive. That's the standard. You're not missing anything.

Shaun Attwood is renowned for making things up

I’m not at all surprised someone like Sandra Lean would want to couple up with him

[Nicholas]

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That he was actually on this path before the search trio had even left Mayfield.

We still haven’t been told what the excuse was for Shane or Corinne Mitchell to have not accompanied this 14 - going on 15 year old boy ?

Why did neither of them go with him to search for Jodi?

[Nicholas]

And again that is due to special knowledge. He had lied about being home, he only arrived home, pretty much bang on 10pm, Jodi's curfew time. He was waiting on the call, he knew that Jodi would be known to be missing any moment. And he knew he would be that first port of call, for he knew her parents believed she had been with him that evening. And that is exactly what happened. They contacted him, telling their daughter to get home. (Judith)

So had Corinne Mitchell !

“Gosh you’re early” 🙄 (CM to JE 6:08 approx here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4)

[Nicholas]

So had Corinne Mitchell !

“Gosh you’re early” 🙄 (CM to JE 6:08 approx here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4)

And if we are to go by Corinne Mitchell’s chat with JE

Killer Luke Mitchell allegedly took Mia the dog out for a walk at 10:37/38

He was gone “2 seconds” 🙄


Why didn’t Luke Mitchell have a torch with him when he allegedly took Mia out for a walk to ‘save his mums legs’? It would have been dark out by 10:30pm - according to Sandra Lean

[Nicholas]

More than. After 2hours 9 minutes in, Shaun Attwood says that if drugs were legalised Jodi may still be alive. That's the standard. You're not missing anything.

Does Shaun Atwood ask Sandra Lean about Corinne Mitchell’s alleged prawns?

And is it established what was in those alleged pies?

Chicken or steak?

[Nicholas]

And the time factors. 10.38pm text telling Jodi to get home. 10.49, Mitchells offer to go to Jodi's to look on the path.en drowned in the new version of Lean V Others. For the gullible who readily soak it up?

If killer Luke Mitchell receives the text from JuJ at 10:38pm when he’s out allegedly walking Mia

10.49, Mitchells offer to go to Jodi's to look on the path.

Why is it 11 minutes before he allegedly goes out searching ?

 10.59pm LM tells Judith he is on/at the path.

Was he on RDP when he received JuJ’s text message/s?

And did Corinne Mitchell ever communicate with JuJ’s that night?

[faithlilly]

What a lot of tosh. You are the one who is saying the search trio lied. That manipulation of half truths that Lean has always used. By using the dog as a smokescreen. To draw away from the evidence that LM himself gave. So for once, instead of spouting the usual, meaningless nonsense and trying to pass the buck to FS, away from Lean. Of which the programme was based upon. You are yet again kickstarting the dogsbodies work, for those with very little in the way of much upstairs. The point you were trying to make, was that Lean onto FS were saying Jodi's family lied. They are your words, the dogsbodies words. For the most part here, Leans alter ego. That using something from their statement at the end of July, infers they were lying on Oath? - Your are doing that, Leans intention in her case, is hoping the brainless will also do that - state they were lying. And the mugs just keep on giving, spouting the liable for her. That clear passing the buck, putting the onus of blame onto others. They had, as LM had, clarified their statements.

And only highlighting yet again the evidence that convicted LM. Of his special knowledge. The dog had absolutely nothing to do with Jodi being found. So instead of making this same predictive bleat - Put up the areas of those statements. In proper sequence with full sentences. Where anyone, who is actually looking at LM V HMA  instead of Lean V Others. Can see exactly what was said. I will refresh for you, yet again. Some torture that you love so much.

LM led the search party to RDP. There can be no doubt he was prepped and ready, that is no doubt. For Judith had barely lifted that phone to call the police and LM was all but on RDP. In less that 9mins. There was no getting ready, he was already suited and booted. And again that is due to special knowledge. He had lied about being home, he only arrived home, pretty much bang on 10pm, Jodi's curfew time. He was waiting on the call, he knew that Jodi would be known to be missing any moment. And he knew he would be that first port of call, for he knew her parents believed she had been with him that evening. And that is exactly what happened. They contacted him, telling their daughter to get home. (Judith)

Jodi was reported missing at 10.50, LM was on RDP pre 11pm. He was still on this path at 11.20pm. He made it clear to her mother that he was on the path, to claim to have a look before going to Jodi's house. He stayed on that path, drawing the members of Jodi's family there. And we are not interested in every other smoke screen in Lean V others. We are interested in LM V HMA. The nonsense of searching caravan parks and goodness knows what else. For again, those with just a fragment of intelligence, realise clearly there was not time for anything else, other than what was fed to them. Of Luke telling them that Jodi had not turned up in Newbattle, that he was going look on the path, that he stayed on this path. That he was actually on this path before the search trio had even left Mayfield.

That when they did meet, he had asked if they had brought anything of Jodi's with them, for he had asked them to bring something. They did not get a chance, as he was still on the path. - The dog and the smokescreen. LM, at the first opportunity, where the wall is broken along it's length, scaled it, and looked into the woodland with his torch. At the very next opportunity, where the wall was broken horizontally LM entered the woodland. - This is what the search trio always said. They did not change it. From the first they stated those two things, of the Gino spot, and of the V break. Upon arriving at both. They did mention the dog, of it pulling to the undergrowth of the wall, of it standing up at the V. Of pulling Luke. Of LM going into the woods, of turning to his left. Of Kelly and Janine then walking past the V, that they had barely walked ten feet when Mitchell shouted.

LM, never mentioned the Gino spot? LM then stated that "they" had walked past this break in the wall, some distance, not even 20yards when his dog alerted him to something. That the dog was standing up at the wall, air sniffing. That "he" backtracked to the V, where it was easy to climb over. That he had given the lead to AW to hold. Where he used words such as dog leading him to Jodi, dog finding Jodi. - Only him.

To then clarify further, same as with the search trio. But LM went one step better, he drew a map to show the police exactly where "they" were. Parallel to where Jodi lay in the woods. LM did this as he needed to explain why he knew exactly where to go when he went into the woods. But he also lied here, for LM claimed to have shone his torch around everywhere when he entered the woods. He attempted to show that the ground was unfamiliar. LM was a compulsive liar. For he was seen, and it was stated in those first accounts, as both JaJ and AW had saw LM go over and turn to his left, immediately to his left. Where JaJ mentions him looking around in the woods, is exactly what he was doing whilst they continued those 10steps or so. He was, as it appeared, searching in the woods when they continued their walk. Barely ten ft and he shouted.

So those clear contrasts, Luke - No Gino, no JaJ and SK being at the V also when Mitchell went over. And the police saw those stark contrasts. For they knew that SK could not have seen the dogs head level with the V, that JaJ could not have seen the dog pulling to the V, that she could not have seen LM in the woods and turning left. If they had been and done what Mitchell claimed. That is those first accounts. Of using a handful of words and omitting the rest - the whole context is missing. It means absolutely nothing on it's own. When LM said past the V he was asked how far past and he gave how far past.

Four people and only one similarity - the dog standing up on the wall. One account was the dog some 40ft (not even 20yrds) past this V, the other directly at the V. Pulling. One account some 40ft past, the other to the V (break) on approaching it from the East end of the path. The clarifications were - that it was LM leading his dog on approaching the V. Luke's was that the dog, the search party were all passed the V, parallel to where Jodi lay.

And the time factors. 10.38pm text telling Jodi to get home. 10.49, Mitchells offer to go to Jodi's to look on the path. 10.50pm call to the police. 10.59pm LM tells Judith he is on/at the path. 11.18pm search trio coming out complex. Police in attendance at Jodi's house. 11.34pm first call to the emergency services.

And it is here, when you actually know the context, of what was said in reality in those first accounts, the clear reason why the dog is used as a smokescreen. For to actually show you those statements, one would see clearly why the police were suspicious. It is and has always been desperation in the case of Lean V Others. To draw away from the clear events of that evening. To attempt to cast dispersion upon the search trio, to draw away from Mitchell, of that clear specialist knowledge that only the killer knew. The killer being LM.

And he just kept on lying to Lean, sucking her right in when first relating all this to her. Of that clear confirmation bias when she started learning those accounts he gave in those statements, of air brushing them over. Of scouring over everything to do with the search trio, scraping for anything to use, to distract away from Mitchell. Those smokescreens. The dog, the searching "up here" and the blatant lies. Of walking past YW's, going backwards to add time. Of coming from the top of Mayfield, to add time. Of an ancient arthritic gran, to add time. In this Lean V Others. For in LM V HMA it could not be clearer, that only the killer of Jodi Jones could have did what Mitchell did - for he was. And Lean has tried her damnedest to fit Mitchells version around those others. They do not fit, for there was no time for any of what Mitchell claimed, And that is why there is that desperation, in attempting to add time onto the search trio.

And more of Lean V Others. The police. To draw away again from Mitchell. LM was NOT segregated immediately from others. He was asked to show the police where, he then joined the others near the high school. He was with them for ages. Sitting with his mobile phone and cadging fags. When he was eventually taken to Dalkeith police station, it was for easy access for his mother. She had been drinking and could not drive. The police were not in possession of his phone when she was attempting to get hold of him. LM was ignoring his mother. He still had his phone on him, fiddling about with it in the back of the police car. In his hand when the car stopped to speak with his mother. Who asked the police "is he under arrest?". CM arrived at Dalkeith police station just minutes behind her son. The station was only a few minutes walk from her house. Luke Mitchell had fed Leans head full of nonsense in that calm before the storm period of time, that seven months before his arrest. - And she soaked every single word up. Did Lean end up feeling the proverbial fool? Perhaps this also, has that need, that drive. To get others to think the same, so it can't just be her he made a complete tit of ?

These are only a fraction of the clear factors in LM V HMA - that have been drowned in the new version of Lean V Others. For the gullible who readily soak it up?

All that effort and for what, to try to take Janine Jones and Steven Kelly’s words, the words that are in their very first statements, the words that mirrored Luke’s and  make them unsay them. It didn’t work in court when Janine was tied in knots by DP and it won’t work now. 40 yards beyond, 20ft, parallel…no one cares. The Crown’s case was that Luke went over the wall spontaneously with nothing to lead him to that spot. From their first statements the three youths described the dog alerting. That’s all that really matters…so type away furiously….it’s your time that you are wasting, but it won’t change that from the very start the Crown had a huge hole right in the middle of their case and nothing that came afterwards was ever able to fill that.

‘ Mr Turnbull told the jury that the family's account was consistent with Luke knowing about the body and that if they were right then it meant that he was the killer.’

But the family’s account wasn’t consistent. It wasn’t then and it certainly isn’t now.

[Nicholas]

And more of Lean V Others. The police. To draw away again from Mitchell. LM was NOT segregated immediately from others. He was asked to show the police where, he then joined the others near the high school. He was with them for ages. Sitting with his mobile phone and cadging fags. When he was eventually taken to Dalkeith police station, it was for easy access for his mother. She had been drinking and could not drive. The police were not in possession of his phone when she was attempting to get hold of him. LM was ignoring his mother. He still had his phone on him, fiddling about with it in the back of the police car. In his hand when the car stopped to speak with his mother. Who asked the police "is he under arrest?". CM arrived at Dalkeith police station just minutes behind her son. The station was only a few minutes walk from her house.

Was Corinne Mitchell also stoned that night?

And did the police note any other observations or her other than her comment ‘is he under arrest’?

[Nicholas]

And more of Lean V Others. The police. To draw away again from Mitchell. LM was NOT segregated immediately from others. He was asked to show the police where, he then joined the others near the high school. He was with them for ages. Sitting with his mobile phone and cadging fags. When he was eventually taken to Dalkeith police station, it was for easy access for his mother. She had been drinking and could not drive. The police were not in possession of his phone when she was attempting to get hold of him. LM was ignoring his mother. He still had his phone on him, fiddling about with it in the back of the police car. In his hand when the car stopped to speak with his mother. Who asked the police "is he under arrest?".

It most certainly appears he was

[Nicholas]

And more of Lean V Others. The police. To draw away again from Mitchell. LM was NOT segregated immediately from others. He was asked to show the police where, he then joined the others near the high school. He was with them for ages. Sitting with his mobile phone and cadging fags.

He most certainly was not Parky !

[Nicholas]

Luke Mitchell had fed Leans head full of nonsense in that calm before the storm period of time, that seven months before his arrest. - And she soaked every single word up. Did Lean end up feeling the proverbial fool? Perhaps this also, has that need, that drive. To get others to think the same, so it can't just be her he made a complete tit of ?

She knew when she first met him face to face he was innocent apparently



“But to establish the facts of the case it meant carrying out her own investigation of the case - interviewing key people, tracing and timing the route Mitchell was alleged to have taken and scanning hundreds of pages of evidence, statements and transcripts.
She even walked, then ran the path, crawled through rough land beyond the wall where Jodi died and attempted to figure out how Mitchell could have committed the crime in the time it was suggested, only to find it wasn't possible. She did it not to upset Jodi's family, but to ensure the police had the right man.
“But my girls used a path to walk to Newbattle High School - not the path where Jodi died, but one not unlike it. I wanted to know that they were safe," she explains. "The more I looked, the more pieces didn't fit."
https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/claiming-killer-innocent-part-search-truth-2453025



Were both of Sandra Leans girls living in the area at the time?

And was the first time she met Luke Mitchell in prison ? ⬇️



’THE heavy doors clanged shut behind Sandra Lean as she made her way inside a notorious young offenders' institution to meet one of Scotland's most infamous prisoners.
With piles of legal papers, transcripts, notes and scribbled questions in her arms, she sat down to look into convicted killer Luke Mitchell's face - and was troubled by what saw.
"I thought: 'Oh, he's just a bairn, he's just a laddie'," she recalls. "He looked so much younger, people have forgotten how young. But he is a strong lad with a brilliant sense of humour. One who still believes this is just one huge cock-up, that it's just a matter of time before it gets sorted out.