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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #615 on: August 03, 2021, 03:50:44 PM »
From the same source:
Facts and figures
The home is the most common location for an accident to happen
Every year across the UK, there are approximately 6,000 deaths as a result of home accidents
Children under the age of five years and people in later life (those over the age of 65, and particularly those over 75) are most likely to have an accident at home
Falls are the most common accidents and can cause serious injury at any time of life, but the risk increases with age….


An accident (not necessarily fatal) is far more common than rare stranger abduction. Being without adult supervision increases the risk as does falling onto a hard tiled floor.
Nevertheless despite all those falls, on average only 10 a year prove fatal, and what percentage of those were deaths from a fall that were instant, or near instant? 
« Last Edit: August 03, 2021, 03:53:39 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #616 on: August 03, 2021, 03:52:26 PM »
From the same source:
Facts and figures
The home is the most common location for an accident to happen
Every year across the UK, there are approximately 6,000 deaths as a result of home accidents
Children under the age of five years and people in later life (those over the age of 65, and particularly those over 75) are most likely to have an accident at home
Falls are the most common accidents and can cause serious injury at any time of life, but the risk increases with age….


An accident (not necessarily fatal) is far more common than rare stranger abduction. Being without adult supervision increases the risk as does falling onto a hard tiled floor.
Nothing you have posted answers my question. Could you give me one example... Anywhere in the world... Ever... Which would match the situation amaral thinks maddie died from.
I can  give you plenty of stranger abductions.

That makes the accident t theory totally implausible


Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #617 on: August 03, 2021, 03:57:46 PM »
Nothing you have posted answers my question. Could you give me one example... Anywhere in the world... Ever... Which would match the situation amaral thinks maddie died from.
I can  give you plenty of stranger abductions.

That makes the accident t theory totally implausible
An interesting analysis of falls by children from windows and balconies looking at over 100 incidents.  The most interesting aspect is the last sentence IMO
RESULTS
Overview
For the three years of the investigation, 108 children <15 years of age were seen in emergency departments for injuries due to falls from buildings. Ninety eight of these were residents of Dallas County (annualized rate: 6.2 per 100 000 Dallas County children age 0–14 years). Ages were known for 97 injured children, and ranged from 1 to 12 years (mean 2.7 years). The highest rate of these fall related injuries occurred in children 0–4 years (15.6 per 100 000), and was considerable lower in 5–9 years (1.5 per 100 000) and 10–14 years (0.8 per 100 000) (table 1). Fifty seven children (58%) were male. Rates of injuries were not significantly different by race or ethnicity (table 1). Seventy four of the cases (76%) were seen at the Children’s Medical Center of Dallas, which had the only pediatric emergency department the Dallas area. Thirty nine (40%) were admitted to a hospital; 56 (57%) were treated in the emergency department and released, and three (3%) were treated in the emergency department but information about whether they were admitted was unknown. Hospital admissions ranged from one to nine days, with a mean and median of two days. Two children had rehabilitation treatment after discharge from a hospital. No child died.

https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/9/4/349
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #618 on: August 03, 2021, 04:00:26 PM »
Nothing you have posted answers my question. Could you give me one example... Anywhere in the world... Ever... Which would match the situation amaral thinks maddie died from.
I can  give you plenty of stranger abductions.

That makes the accident t theory totally implausible

Here’s some more statistics from NICE:

Head injury is the commonest cause of death and disability in people aged 1–40 years in the UK. Each year, 1.4 million people attend emergency departments in England and Wales with a recent head injury. Between 33% and 50% of these are children aged under 15 years.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #619 on: August 03, 2021, 04:03:45 PM »
Here’s some more statistics from NICE:

Head injury is the commonest cause of death and disability in people aged 1–40 years in the UK. Each year, 1.4 million people attend emergency departments in England and Wales with a recent head injury. Between 33% and 50% of these are children aged under 15 years.


How many of these occur in the house... You cant seem to find one

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #620 on: August 03, 2021, 04:24:49 PM »
Here’s some more statistics from NICE:

Head injury is the commonest cause of death and disability in people aged 1–40 years in the UK. Each year, 1.4 million people attend emergency departments in England and Wales with a recent head injury. Between 33% and 50% of these are children aged under 15 years.

How many children die instantly (or very soon after impact) with a head injury sustained in a fall in a domestic setting? 
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #621 on: August 03, 2021, 04:31:38 PM »
How many children die instantly (or very soon after impact) with a head injury sustained in a fall in a domestic setting?



Finding this story took seconds on Google: (From Teeside Live)

“19-month-old toddler died in 'tragic accident' after falling down side of bed.”

« Last Edit: August 04, 2021, 02:28:20 AM by Eleanor »

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #622 on: August 03, 2021, 04:44:44 PM »

Finding this story took seconds on Google: (From Teeside Live)

“19-month-old toddler died in 'tragic accident' after falling down side of bed.”


Ooh, you're getting personal now.  So now you've got Madeleine dying of asphyxia (not a head injury) like this poor baby?  Can you please show where I have tried to diminish the risks of leaving toddlers without adult supervision please? 
« Last Edit: August 04, 2021, 02:30:25 AM by Eleanor »
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #623 on: August 03, 2021, 04:53:24 PM »
It seems some people are disappointed by the fact that children dying instantly or near instantly in falls in domestic settings is an extremely rare (to the point of non-existant) event.   I wonder how many die from parentally administered sedatives in a year?   Maybe that's more common?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #624 on: August 03, 2021, 05:15:41 PM »


How many children are killed by their parents each year compared to stranger abductions?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #625 on: August 03, 2021, 05:21:57 PM »

How many children are killed by their parents each year compared to stranger abductions?
Many, many more.  So obviously the McCanns killed Madeleine then.  Case closed.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #626 on: August 03, 2021, 05:33:43 PM »
Many, many more.  So obviously the McCanns killed Madeleine then.  Case closed.

No, it just means it's more likely than child abduction.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #627 on: August 03, 2021, 05:37:57 PM »
No, it just means it's more likely than child abduction.
Loads of things are more likely than child abduction, though not falling off a sofa, balcony or windowsill to sudden or near sudden death it would seem. 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #628 on: August 03, 2021, 05:42:49 PM »
It would seem that drowning is the leading cause of accidental death in children under 4.  I’m amazed no one has cobbled together a theory that has Madeleine falling in the swimming pool and being fished out by a parent when no one was looking.  Why not?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Abduction is neither plausible nor logical because…
« Reply #629 on: August 03, 2021, 07:18:37 PM »
It would seem that drowning is the leading cause of accidental death in children under 4.  I’m amazed no one has cobbled together a theory that has Madeleine falling in the swimming pool and being fished out by a parent when no one was looking.  Why not?

I think someone might have done.

Didn't someone hear Gerry near the swimming pool at 9.30pm calling Madeleine's name?