Mark Williams-Thomas making new three part crime series for Ch5.

[Eleanor]

I can't see why not.

MWT believes the two disappearances are connected.

Maybe Wolters is investigating the link, but it needs to be kept top secret for some reason, unlike every other missing child case they seek to pin on Brueckner.

So much for Mark Williams Thomas.

[Wonderfulspam]

Don't do this.  You are better than that.

Don't you see, it's yourself & the supporters that create this opportunity, by pretending to believe Joana was abducted.

You could stop it all now if you just admit it's obvious she wasn't.

Why don't you just do that?

[Eleanor]

Don't you see, it's yourself & the supporters that create this opportunity, by pretending to believe Joana was abducted.

You could stop it all now if you just admit it's obvious she wasn't.

Why don't you just do that?

May I suggest you take your angst elsewhere.

[barrier]

Nor does a beating find a murderer.  But then that's The PJ for you.

Apparently I am not allowed to insult the biggest WUM on this Forum.  Actually probably the only one.  And thank God for that.

You should be above that.

[Eleanor]

You should be above that.

I do agree.  And so should you.

[Wonderfulspam]

Good, so let's have no more of this nonsense that Joana was abducted & just stick to the truth from now on.

That way we'll all get along nicely.

[sadie]

On this forum... Those who seem concerned with the rights of CB are the ones who condone the torture of cipriano when she was a suspect

I support the legal rights of everyone.   They are all innocent until proven otherwise, even dispicable men like CB.   This doesn't prevent me from questioning them.  However I wouldn't risk leaving my children with CB

I think that Elli also believes in innocent until proven guilty

As for Leonor Cipriano, I was the FIRST to alert other posters about the other missing children in the Algarve and Porto regions, and I was the FIRST to fight for Leonor Cipriano on this and other forums.   

I fought hard for her over the years and would welcome someone as passionate as me to form a group to support her personally.   I am not organised enough, nor do I have the necessary skills to start such a group.


I agree with your statement generally though Dave.

[Mr Gray]

I think you mean Joh Clarke's book lol?

The public prosecutor's role in Germany is, as in Portugal, closely connected to police investigations.

"During the investigation of the facts in the preliminary proceedings, the police gather the necessary information and evidence on the alleged criminal offence under instructions from the public prosecutor’s office."
https://se-legal.de/criminal-defense-lawyer/criminal-procedure-law-in-germany/?lang=en#The-Preliminary-Proceedings

That suggests that the prosecutor does have all the information gathered by an investigation, unless there is a cite disproving it.

So quizzing Wolters in the phone info is to s certain extent avesste of time.
Msrk S seemed to find it a big deal he couldn't answer all the questions but it makes perfect sense

[Eleanor]

I will continue to believe that The PJ Case against Leonor Cipriano and her brother was deeply flawed when it required beating confessions out of suspects.  Even The Portuguese Court agreed that this is what happened.  But let's only pay attention when it suits.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Don't do this.  You are better than that.

No she’s not.

[Eleanor]

I support the legal rights of everyone.   They are all innocent until proven otherwise, even dispicable men like CB.   This doesn't prevent me from questioning them.  However I wouldn't risk leaving my children with CB

I think that Elli also believes in innocent until proven guilty

As for Leonor Cipriano, I was the FIRST to alert other posters about the other missing children in the Algarve and Porto regions, and I was the FIRST to fight for Leonor Cipriano on this and other forums.   

I fought hard for her over the years and would welcome someone as passionate as me to form a group to support her personally.   I am not organised enough, nor do I have the necessary skills to start such a group.


I agree with your statement generally though Dave.

It isn't possible to do anything for Leonor Cipriano.  Portugal will never admit that this was a miscarriage of justice.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I will continue to believe that The PJ Case against Leonor Cipriano and her brother was deeply flawed when it required beating confessions out of suspects.  Even The Portuguese Court agreed that this is what happened.  But let's only pay attention when it suits.

There are plenty in Portugal who happen to agree with you, I remember reading a poll about it in some Portuguese paper years ago. 

[Wonderfulspam]

'I don't believe Jeremy Bamber murdered his family - I think his sister Sheila Caffell did it and then took her own life.

'I write to Jeremy who is still in jail. I write to a few inmates.'

.................

'I am the only independent observer who has heard Oscar's personal account away from the courts, and I do not believe he is a murderer.

'I found him incredibly polite and caring, and he is deeply religious.

'He thought there was an intruder in his home, and I think that people need to be aware of what home security is like in South Africa.

'Home invasions are extremely common, with intruders often entering when residents are sleeping.

'Think about Oscar's vulnerability. He was incredibly famous and both of his legs were amputated - he would have experienced heightened anxiety if he thought there was an intruder in his home.

'There was no delay in between the shots, therefore he wouldn't have heard Reeva's screams.

'I have seen Oscar two times since he has been in jail and he is deeply remorseful for what happened - he was absolutely in love with Reeva.'

The ex-cop also believes Michael Jackson was not a paedophile and has said previously that the Madeline McCann case may never be solved.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9265605/Ex-detective-says-White-House-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-innocent-believes-sister-murdered-family.html

On Oscar Pistorious, it was proven in court there was a delay between the shots. A witness heard it & the bullet trajectories supported it.

[Wonderfulspam]

I will continue to believe that The PJ Case against Leonor Cipriano and her brother was deeply flawed when it required beating confessions out of suspects.  Even The Portuguese Court agreed that this is what happened.  But let's only pay attention when it suits.

Ok, so the investigation was flawed.

But, you'd still have to believe the innocent mother didn't phone the police about her missing daughter etc etc etc as I've repeated.

It isn't reasonable to believe an innocent mother would do such a thing, so, it's obvious she lied about Joana not coming home from the shop, something else happened & she was involved.

Agreed?

[The General]

There are plenty in Portugal who happen to agree with you, I remember reading a poll about it in some Portuguese paper years ago.

Cite?