If The Germans Have It Almost In The Bag...

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was just gut feeling, but I accept your point. It's certainly a valid legal argument that was used, not to hand over the requested information. The claim though, that the "pro" site was trying to rebut, was Amaral's claim that the HO refused to to hand over the information. I have no idea why Amaral did not respond. You would have to ask him that question.

The ball was in the PJ's court, clearly they couldn't be arsed to hit it back. 

[G-Unit]

Ive given my opinion on trolling. Its not up to you to mske up rules that suit you. If you want to stop speculation...contact john

"Please treat all members with respect, avoid speculation and ensure that any material posted is accompanied by the relevant links."

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[Mr Gray]

"Please treat all members with respect, avoid speculation and ensure that any material posted is accompanied by the relevant links."

Posted by Admin in Forum rules
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:57:13 PM »

We have all seen that....do you realise that without speculation there would be no forum. could you confirm taht none of your posts contain speculation.

the titel of the thread...
If The Germans Have It Almost In The Bag...

started by a mod...invites speculation...as does the one below by Angelo

[Vertigo Swirl]

We have all seen that....do you realise that without speculation there would be no forum. could you confirm taht none of your posts contain speculation.

the titel of the thread...
If The Germans Have It Almost In The Bag...

started by a mod...invites speculation...as does the one below by Angelo

There are LOADS of threads inviting us to speculate, many started by mods, perhaps G-Unit could have a word with John and get all of them removed.  As if.

[Eleanor]

Without speculation there would be No Forum.  Hence John's request for,  "In My Opinion."

[kizzy]

this is from the TImes..

An employee at the resort where Madeleine McCann was abducted may have watched her family and passed information to Christian Brückner so he could burgle their apartment, reports suggest.

Portuguese police believe that an alleged accomplice told Brückner, the prime suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance, that the family had left valuable items in the ground floor apartment where the three-year-old slept with her 18-month-old twin siblings. Their parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were at a restaurant in the Ocean Club complex.

What does that post prove exactly.

The Times....isn't that the newspaper the mcs sued.

[Mr Gray]

It was just gut feeling, but I accept your point. It's certainly a valid legal argument that was used, not to hand over the requested information. The claim though, that the "pro" site was trying to rebut, was Amaral's claim that the HO refused to to hand over the information. I have no idea why Amaral did not respond. You would have to ask him that question.

I wad a victim of fraud... Lots of evidence... It.took a lot of persuading for the judge to allow access to bank statements.
Medical records are even more confidential. If a policeman asked me if a person had an appt with me at a certain time im unable to reply without a court order

[Mr Gray]

What does that post prove exactly.

The Times....isn't that the newspaper the mcs sued.

It doesnt prove anything and I never claimed it did

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I wad a victim of fraud... Lots of evidence... It.took a lot of persuading for the judge to allow access to bank statements.
Medical records are even more confidential. If a policeman asked me if a person had an appt with me at a certain time im unable to reply without a court order

As I said I accept the legal argument.... However, in the context of the conversation above.... The rebuttal used didn't rebut the accusation being made. So when Amaral says he didn't receive requested info  the rebuttal should have said "Amaral is correct but there is a reason for it". The reason being to protect people's rights.

[Mr Gray]

As I said I accept the legal argument.... However, in the context of the conversation above.... The rebuttal used didn't rebut the accusation being made. So when Amaral says he didn't receive requested info  the rebuttal should have said "Amaral is correct but there is a reason for it". The reason being to protect people's rights.

Looking at it... Amaral wasnt refused... He was askedd for clarification... He didnt bother to reply

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Looking at it... Amaral wasnt refused... He was askedd for clarification... He didnt bother to reply

Or to put it another way he was refused unless he provided a better legal basis for his request.... It's legalistic pedantry and I'll concede your point.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As I said I accept the legal argument.... However, in the context of the conversation above.... The rebuttal used didn't rebut the accusation being made. So when Amaral says he didn't receive requested info  the rebuttal should have said "Amaral is correct but there is a reason for it". The reason being to protect people's rights.

Hang on a second.  I posted a link to the rebuttal in response to this question from you regarding bank statements.  Nothing to do with Amaral.

“Was it true that the McCann's were less forthcoming with theirs?”

The answer is - no, it isn’t true, as the link made clear. 

[Lace]

I gave you a choice;

"I think you should either cite or cease the vague speculation."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12194.msg664493#msg664493

You chose (eventually) to cite speculation by the media. Although there has been such speculation, which you chose to repeat, there is no evidence that Brueckner knew anyone who worked at the Ocean Club or that anyone working there helped him in any way shape or form. In particular, the name Monteiro wasn't connected with Brueckner imo.

You don't know what evidence Wolters has do you?

[Lace]

There are occasions when a cite is not really necessary;  for instance such as various reports in the press which it can be assumed everyone with an interest knows or because it has already been discussed on the forum.

For example ~ when I say that Amaral lied about Brueckner having dreadlocks you should know that is a fact because the link has already been provided on numerous occasions.

Similarly ~ when I say that Amaral is responsible for attempting to interfere in the German investigation by pointing the way to identifying him in 2019 is also known to those who who have been following the debate and read the links provided.

Providing sources is essential but there is a happy medium between doing so and constantly demanding cites for common knowledge which can only be construed as disrupting the debate should there be one.

I found it quite bizarre the Amaral came up with the dreadlocks.   Why?   Plus why say his van was covered in stickers?  Very strange.

[Lace]

Is that a rebuttal?

Summary of Verifiable Facts

  The Portuguese police asked for the transactions regarding Gerry McCann's credit cards for the period between 1st April 2007 and 30th September 2007. The Home Office asked for clarification of the basis upon which they made the request. There's no reply to that in the files. The basis for the request made by the PJ, was on a false/mistaken claim by a witness.
    The Portuguese police didn't ask for the McCann's bank statements. They asked for information about the McCann's background, and they received that information.

Oh was that to see if they had sold Madeleine?   Another ridiculous conspiracy that circled.