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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2021, 06:38:33 PM »
Listen to wise old “Dr” Amaral - sounds like PdL was positively bursting with paedo s..mbags

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11961695/madeleine-mccann-cop-hundreds-paedophiles-algarve/

He was talking about the Algarve, not PDL specifically, Algarve has a population of roughly 438000 (2019)

So even if there were 10,000 paedophiles in the Algarve, that's still only 2.2% of the population.

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Offline faithlilly

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2021, 06:40:20 PM »
He was talking about the Algarve, not PDL specifically, Algarve has a population of roughly 438000 (2019)

So even if there were 10,000 paedophiles in the Algarve, that's still only 2.2% of the population.

And most of those appear to have come from somewhere else…unlike Leceistershire.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2021, 06:47:56 PM »
He was talking about the Algarve, not PDL specifically, Algarve has a population of roughly 438000 (2019)

So even if there were 10,000 paedophiles in the Algarve, that's still only 2.2% of the population.
More than double the estimated number of paedophiles in this country.
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Offline jassi

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2021, 06:48:50 PM »
And most of those appear to have come from somewhere else…unlike Leceistershire.

Well yes, the Algarve is a holiday destination. I don't think the same can be said of Rothley or Leicestershire as a whole, places you probably wouldn't want to go there even if on an all expenses paid trip.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2021, 06:48:55 PM »
And most of those appear to have come from somewhere else…unlike Leceistershire.
It doesn’t matter where they come from, only that they are attracted to the area for its rich pickings and lousy policing.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2021, 06:53:08 PM »
It doesn’t matter where they come from, only that they are attracted to the area for its rich pickings and lousy policing.

Rich pickings????

Are you suggesting the children in the Algarve are somehow sexier?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2021, 06:54:55 PM »
It doesn’t matter where they come from, only that they are attracted to the area for its rich pickings and lousy policing.

And No Paedo Register.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2021, 06:55:02 PM »
Rich pickings????

Are you suggesting the children in the Algarve are somehow sexier?
What on earth gave you that warped idea?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2021, 07:03:21 PM »
What on earth gave you that warped idea?

I'm not sure quite what you meant by 'rich pickings'?

Is the Algarve particularly rich in prepubescent children?

Any more so than any other place?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2021, 07:05:22 PM »
“Pedro Namora, a former Casa Pia orphan who witnessed 11 rapes on fellow orphans, during which they were tied to their beds, sympathises with the McCanns. He believes elements in the force have conspired to suppress both scandals, fearing damage to the country's reputation.

"Portugal is a paedophiles' paradise," said Mr Namora, now a lawyer campaigning on behalf of the Casa Pia victims. "If all the names come out, this will be an earthquake in Portugal. There is a massive, sophisticated network at play here - stretching from the government to the judiciary and the police.

"The network is enormous and extremely powerful. There are magistrates, ambassadors, police, politicians - all have procured children from Casa Pia. It is extremely difficult to break this down. These people cover for each other, because if one is arrested, they all are arrested. They don't want anyone to know."

Now 44, Mr Namora watched as friends sank into alcoholism, drug addiction and death after their traumatic childhood experiences at Casa Pia. "I was the only one who made it," he said. "What could I do? I couldn't keep silent."

He has received death threats and warnings about what will happen to his own children, after taking up the case when an orphan called "Joel" approached him, saying prominent paedophiles were using Casa Pia as a "supermarket for children".

Mr Namora has been threatened after fighting on behalf of the abused children he grew up with.

After being telephoned by a stranger offering to pay off his mortgage, he was told the exact movements of his own three children, and warned that they and their father would come to a grisly end unless he shut up.

An open, warm man, Mr Namora makes an unlikely conspiracytheorist-But he believes the case, which he brought to light in 2003, will underscore Portugal's growing attraction for paedophiles, which has seen six children disappear in recent years.

One reason for this attraction is that the law was quietly relaxed last year, ahead of the forthcoming trial, meaning that repeat offences against the same child would merit only a single charge - and a lesser sentence.

In echoes of the McCanns' ordeal, the initial investigation was badly handled when allegations of abuse were first made at Casa Pia in 1982. Carlos Silvino, the man known as Bibi, was linked to rapes and assaults, but police "lost" pictures showing prominent Lisbon politicians with him and the children.

He was only charged after dozens of children came forward in 2003. They also accused Jorge Ritto, a former Portuguese ambassador, of child abuse. Ritto, it transpired, had also once been sent home in disgrace from a posting in Germany after an incident involving a young boy in a park.

The conspiracy did not end there. Teresa Costa Macedo, a former secretary of state for the family, has revealed that she knew about the attacks in the early Eighties - and that she had alerted General Antonio Ramalho Eanes, the then Portuguese president, about the allegations.

Mrs Costa Macedo, who remained silent for two decades after being warned she would be killed if she spoke, now says that the caretaker "was just one element in a huge paedophile network that involved important people in our country. It wasn't just him [the caretaker]. He was a procurer of children for well-known people who range from diplomats and politicians to people linked to the media".

While still a government minister, Costa Macedo handed police "photographs, an account of the methods used to spirit children out of the orphanage and testimonies of a number of children". Many of the photographs were found at ex-ambassador Jorge Ritto's house. Police reportedly found four children locked up who had been missing from Casa Pia.

Under armed guard at a safe house last week, Bibi could count himself a lucky man. He originally faced allegations that he had sexually assaulted more than 600 children. That has since been reduced to 30. Silvino has hinted at the high-level of the conspiracy, saying: "They can't touch me - there are too many people involved."

Following Ritto's arrest, the police questioned Carloz Cruz, known as Portugal's "Mr Television", and Joao Diniz, a high- society doctor and driver of the red Ferrari. The network allegedly went further. Paulo Pedroso, a government minister, was arrested and quizzed about 15 cases of child sexual abuse.

Amid allegations that paedophile networks have become endemic in Portugal - the European police force Interpol has named the country as one of the worst offenders in Europe - there are fears that the Casa Pia scandal will come to eclipse Belgium's notorious Marc Dutroux case, in which the arrest of a notorious paedophile and child murderer revealed a sordid picture of judicial and political corruption.

Of course, the Casa Pia case may have no direct link to the disappearance of Madeleine, but the culture in which such a serious child abuse network was allowed to operate is the same culture that pervades the whole of Portugal. Was it this attitude that led to the bungled initial investigation in the McCann case?”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488654/Why-Portugal-haven-paedophiles--disturbing-backcloth-Madeleine-case.html
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2021, 07:06:20 PM »
I'm not sure quite what you meant by 'rich pickings'?

Is the Algarve particularly rich in prepubescent children?

Any more so than any other place?
You do know the Algarve ( in particular resorts like PdL) are popular family holiday destinations right?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2021, 07:13:17 PM »
You do know the Algarve ( in particular resorts like PdL) are popular family holiday destinations right?

So is Bognor Regis.

Not been many abductions there either.
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Offline Anthro

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2021, 07:19:12 PM »
The U.K, Portugal and Germany. Of course there’s been input from other forces but those three have certainly spent the big bucks…with not one charge laid to show for it.
So, why comment on me needing to be ‘spoon fed’?

Offline G-Unit

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2021, 07:21:57 PM »
What I find puzzling is that after 10 years the parents aren’t asking serious questions about the length of time the investigation is taking. Are they just relieved that it’s not focused on them?

It hasn't, of course, been a full blown investigation since October 2015, when the number of officers was cut from 29 to 4.

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Offline faithlilly

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2021, 07:49:16 PM »
So, why comment on me needing to be ‘spoon fed’?

Sorry but I’m not engaging with this sort of nonsense.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?