An Inept Investigation?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Here’s a good example of one of the most inept (not to mention corrupt) investigations in recent European history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux#Errors_during_investigation

I would say that the first few months of the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance were pretty close in terms of sheer ineptness, it’s just the level of corruption involved we can’t yet be sure of.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I think there is plenty of proof that the village was a hot spot for paedophiles and we know that two little girls vanished from the area and the police failed to track either of them down.

If Madeleine wasn't abducted - what do you think happened to her.

There was evidence to suggest the "abduction" was staged and that she died in the holiday apartment during one of the several nights when she was left without adult supervision, in my opinion.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Here’s a good example of one of the most inept (not to mention corrupt) investigations in recent European history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux#Errors_during_investigation

I would say that the first few months of the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance were pretty close in terms of sheer ineptness, it’s just the level of corruption involved we can’t yet be sure of.

Yet that is the part of the investigation that Operation Grange accept as all important in clearing the parents from any involvement!!

[Mr Gray]

There was evidence to suggest the "abduction" was staged and that she died in the holiday apartment during one of the several nights when she was left without adult supervision, in my opinion.

What is the evidence of death.. I don't see any
Similarly what is the evidence for staging

[G-Unit]

Here’s an example of a case that was investigated over the course if 20 years before arrests were made.  A guilty verdict was finally returned in 2020 and justice finally done.  At what point should the investigation have been written off as inept and shelved as a cold case?  Year 2?  Year 10?  Year 14? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claremont_serial_killings#Trial

I think there's a big difference between investigating a crime which was committed within the jurisdiction of the investigating police force and one which didn't. Can a competent investigation be carried out when investigators are based 1300 miles away, have little local knowledge, a language barrier and are unable to interview people or check their backgrounds without time-consuming negotiations with local authorities?

[Mr Gray]

I think there's a big difference between investigating a crime which was committed within the jurisdiction of the investigating police force and one which didn't. Can a competent investigation be carried out when investigators are based 1300 miles away, have little local knowledge, a language barrier and are unable to interview people or check their backgrounds without time-consuming negotiations with local authorities?

You have your opinion.. Others have theirs.
The Germans managed to solve the the rape case and may well have solved the Maddie case.
The PJ were aware of CBs presence in Luz.. Was this info made available to SY

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yet that is the part of the investigation that Operation Grange accept as all important in clearing the parents from any involvement!!

Do you have a cite?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think there's a big difference between investigating a crime which was committed within the jurisdiction of the investigating police force and one which didn't. Can a competent investigation be carried out when investigators are based 1300 miles away, have little local knowledge, a language barrier and are unable to interview people or check their backgrounds without time-consuming negotiations with local authorities?

Someone’s got to do it, and if the local police are inept, incompetent and corrupt then why not?   I suppose if Madeleine was your granddaughter you’d be quite content for the investigation into her disappearance to be indefinitely shelved, but not everyone is like you.

[G-Unit]

You have your opinion.. Others have theirs.
The Germans managed to solve the the rape case and may well have solved the Maddie case.
The PJ were aware of CBs presence in Luz.. Was this info made available to SY

Operation Grange is not similar to the German investigations.

The Germans got involved in the rape case only because they were informed that a German citizen was involved. All they needed to do was make a request using MLA to see if the forensic evidence gathered by the local investigators implicated their suspect.

They have also been informed that the same person was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. They were unable to connect him to the crime using forensic evidence so they appealed to the public for information 15 months ago. Given the time which has elapsed it seems that their appeal didn't reveal the definitive evidence they needed.

[Brietta]

Operation Grange is not similar to the German investigations.

The Germans got involved in the rape case only because they were informed that a German citizen was involved. All they needed to do was make a request using MLA to see if the forensic evidence gathered by the local investigators implicated their suspect.

They have also been informed that the same person was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. They were unable to connect him to the crime using forensic evidence so they appealed to the public for information 15 months ago. Given the time which has elapsed it seems that their appeal didn't reveal the definitive evidence they needed.

To what forensic evidence do you refer?  I believe samples from 5A were requested for retesting but the request was denied.  Putting the German Police and the English Police in exactly the same boat when it came to requesting  assistance at certain stages of their investigations into Madeleine McCann's disappearance as far as the Portuguese are concerned.

[Mr Gray]

Operation Grange is not similar to the German investigations.

The Germans got involved in the rape case only because they were informed that a German citizen was involved. All they needed to do was make a request using MLA to see if the forensic evidence gathered by the local investigators implicated their suspect.

They have also been informed that the same person was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. They were unable to connect him to the crime using forensic evidence so they appealed to the public for information 15 months ago. Given the time which has elapsed it seems that their appeal didn't reveal the definitive evidence they needed.

The Germans are investigating a case in a foreign country and many of the points you made re Grange apply to them.

You have no idea what concrete evidence Wolters has that convinces him CB murdered Maddie... And you have no idea what other evidence he has collected.

[G-Unit]

To what forensic evidence do you refer?  I believe samples from 5A were requested for retesting but the request was denied.  Putting the German Police and the English Police in exactly the same boat when it came to requesting  assistance at certain stages of their investigations into Madeleine McCann's disappearance as far as the Portuguese are concerned.

On what evidence is your belief based?

[Brietta]

On what evidence is your belief based?

I asked you what forensic evidence you referred to in your post.  Did you miss that?

[G-Unit]

I asked you what forensic evidence you referred to in your post.  Did you miss that?

A hair found in the raped woman's bed.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20200605/281573767921011

Your turn!

[Brietta]

A hair found in the raped woman's bed.
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20200605/281573767921011

Your turn!

Lol 😁 The Mail 😁

Thank you for that.  But you have chosen to give me the wrong answer to my question haven't you. 

You posted "They have also been informed that the same person was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. They were unable to connect him to the crime using forensic evidence ..."

To which I responded "To what forensic evidence do you refer?  I believe samples from 5A were requested for retesting but the request was denied."

So far as we know the heinous rape and torture Brueckner perpetrated in close proximity to his home and in close proximity to the McCann apartment has no connection to Madeleine's abduction.  You appear to be prejudging that issue.

So how about putting your mind to taking 'your turn' and giving me the answer to the question I asked.  Which concerned Brueckner and as you claim in your post "They were unable to connect him to the crime using forensic evidence ..."