An Inept Investigation?

[G-Unit]

Lol 😁 The Mail 😁

Thank you for that.  But you have chosen to give me the wrong answer to my question haven't you. 

You posted "They have also been informed that the same person was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. They were unable to connect him to the crime using forensic evidence ..."

To which I responded "To what forensic evidence do you refer?  I believe samples from 5A were requested for retesting but the request was denied."

So far as we know the heinous rape and torture Brueckner perpetrated in close proximity to his home and in close proximity to the McCann apartment has no connection to Madeleine's abduction.  You appear to be prejudging that issue.

So how about putting your mind to taking 'your turn' and giving me the answer to the question I asked.  Which concerned Brueckner and as you claim in your post "They were unable to connect him to the crime using forensic evidence ..."

Mr Wolters said: "There is no forensic evidence
https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118

Obviously were unable to connect CB to the crime using forensic evidence.

[Brietta]

Mr Wolters said: "There is no forensic evidence
https://news.sky.com/story/the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-have-they-got-the-right-man-this-time-12068118

Obviously were unable to connect CB to the crime using forensic evidence.

I don't think they were allowed to make the attempt exactly as Scotland Yard weren't allowed to make theirs.



Martin Brunt
Crime correspondent @skymartinbrunt

Wednesday 17 June 2020 14:09, UK

German investigators want to retest a saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests have found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

It is believed the sample is only a trace, and in the 13 years since it was collected it has been impossible to extract any DNA profile from it.

The German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because they consider the sample potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor in Braunschweig.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled out the McCanns as suspects in 2008.

There may also be legal restrictions that would block the sample being sent abroad for retesting, although it is usual for senior investigating officers from different forces to agree to such co-operation.

In 2012 Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.

Prosecutor Mr Wolters refused to discuss the case or any request for the sample when contacted by Sky News.

It is not known which sample the German authorities have asked for, but many were collected and tested after Madeleine vanished.

A saliva sample found on a bedspread on a spare bed near Madeleine's was eventually matched with the DNA of a young boy whose family had stayed in the apartment the week before the McCanns.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482

[jassi]

I don't think they were allowed to make the attempt exactly as Scotland Yard weren't allowed to make theirs.



Martin Brunt
Crime correspondent @skymartinbrunt

Wednesday 17 June 2020 14:09, UK

German investigators want to retest a saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests have found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

It is believed the sample is only a trace, and in the 13 years since it was collected it has been impossible to extract any DNA profile from it.

The German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because they consider the sample potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor in Braunschweig.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled out the McCanns as suspects in 2008.

There may also be legal restrictions that would block the sample being sent abroad for retesting, although it is usual for senior investigating officers from different forces to agree to such co-operation.

In 2012 Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.

Prosecutor Mr Wolters refused to discuss the case or any request for the sample when contacted by Sky News.

It is not known which sample the German authorities have asked for, but many were collected and tested after Madeleine vanished.

A saliva sample found on a bedspread on a spare bed near Madeleine's was eventually matched with the DNA of a young boy whose family had stayed in the apartment the week before the McCanns.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482

I suppose he ought to be thankful that he didn't disappear, but no doubt his parents were more careful about his well-being.

[G-Unit]

I don't think they were allowed to make the attempt exactly as Scotland Yard weren't allowed to make theirs.



Martin Brunt
Crime correspondent @skymartinbrunt

Wednesday 17 June 2020 14:09, UK

German investigators want to retest a saliva sample found in the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing.

Portuguese forensic tests have found no DNA match to the new suspect, German drifter Christian B.

It is believed the sample is only a trace, and in the 13 years since it was collected it has been impossible to extract any DNA profile from it.

The German authorities believe their scientists should carry out their own tests because they consider the sample potentially vital evidence and they hope they can match it to their suspect.

But the Portuguese police (PJ) are unlikely to send the sample, partly because of recent criticism by Hans Christian Wolters, the German prosecutor in Braunschweig.

He said last week the PJ still believed that Madeleine's parents were responsible for their daughter's disappearance from the apartment in Praia da Luz in 2007. The PJ ruled out the McCanns as suspects in 2008.

There may also be legal restrictions that would block the sample being sent abroad for retesting, although it is usual for senior investigating officers from different forces to agree to such co-operation.

In 2012 Scotland Yard detectives visited a Portuguese forensic laboratory when they were about to launch their own investigation and their request to retest hairs found in the apartment was turned down.

Prosecutor Mr Wolters refused to discuss the case or any request for the sample when contacted by Sky News.

It is not known which sample the German authorities have asked for, but many were collected and tested after Madeleine vanished.

A saliva sample found on a bedspread on a spare bed near Madeleine's was eventually matched with the DNA of a young boy whose family had stayed in the apartment the week before the McCanns.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-want-to-retest-mystery-saliva-sample-12008482

I don't know of any unidentified saliva sample collected by the Portuguese. Maybe Brunt got his wires crossed like he did with the 'full DNA match to Madeleine' he once reported.

[Brietta]

I suppose he ought to be thankful that he didn't disappear, but no doubt his parents were more careful about his well-being.

I think everyone who had taken their children on holiday to Luz during that period must be eternally grateful it wasn't their child who vanished from their bed ~ and that was even before they became aware of the prolific sexual predator on the loose in the Algarve.

Madeleine McCann police seek intruder who attacked girls at holiday homes
Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a Portuguese holiday resort nearly seven years ago say a lone intruder sexually assaulted five girls aged between seven and 10 in the Algarve between 2004 and 2006.

The four incidents – one involving two girls – were among 12 over six years up to 2010 being examined by officers in which a man entered holiday accommodation, mainly villas occupied by British families.

In six of those incidents, the man, said to be dark-haired and tanned, sat on the victims' beds. In nine of the 12 incidents there was no evidence of forced entry or property taken. In three others there was "low-level" theft involving cash or phones. Police said he appeared to have "a very, very, unhealthy interest" in young white girls.
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"These offences are very serious and no one has been charged in connection with them. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine's disappearance," he said.

"If you have been a victim of a similar crime please come forward even if you reported the incident to police in Portugal, or anywhere else, please do not assume we have been made aware of it."

There was also a "very close resonance" to some features of Madeleine's disappearance, said Redwood.

"We really need to identify the offender, to bring to a close the trauma and the tragedy that these families have suffered, and then seek to establish whether this is connected to Madeleine's disappearance."
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Efits of two fair-haired men seen near the McCanns' apartment were also released and police in the UK and Portugal have also been investigating break-ins around the resort, one of which occurred the same week a year before Madeleine disappeared and involved a man who entered a flat where young children were sleeping.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

[Brietta]

I don't know of any unidentified saliva sample collected by the Portuguese. Maybe Brunt got his wires crossed like he did with the 'full DNA match to Madeleine' he once reported.

The German investigation made the request.  The Portuguese denied it.  Exactly as they denied the British investigators access to forensic material in their possession.

One could almost imagine that someone in authority in Portugal does not want this investigation to succeed.

[Mr Gray]

I don't know of any unidentified saliva sample collected by the Portuguese. Maybe Brunt got his wires crossed like he did with the 'full DNA match to Madeleine' he once reported.

You are assuming Brunt got his wires crossed... What evidence do you have for this. More likely the PJ were pedling false information... Theres evidence to support that

[jassi]

The German investigation made the request.  The Portuguese denied it.  Exactly as they denied the British investigators access to forensic material in their possession.

One could almost imagine that someone in authority in Portugal does not want this investigation to succeed.

Maybe, or maybe because it had already been identified there was no need to retest.

[G-Unit]

The German investigation made the request.  The Portuguese denied it.  Exactly as they denied the British investigators access to forensic material in their possession.

One could almost imagine that someone in authority in Portugal does not want this investigation to succeed.

Neither the Germans or the British police have ever made such claims imo.

[Brietta]

Neither the Germans or the British police have ever made such claims imo.

I think there is something seriously amiss with this tactic you are employing of denial.  There is absolutely no point in anyone other than you and those with whom you agree posting cites. 
I have found that any I have supplied of late have been subject to your derision of denial.

You cite the Mail - and that is kosher.

I cite the Mail - and you question if the report ever happened.

It is not an edifying tactic which you have employed in the past as now and in my opinion reeks of dishonesty.

[John]

The German investigation made the request.  The Portuguese denied it.  Exactly as they denied the British investigators access to forensic material in their possession.

One could almost imagine that someone in authority in Portugal does not want this investigation to succeed.

I suppose it has a lot to do with jealousy between judicial police authorities. It wouldn't sit too well in Portugal if the Brits or the Germans solve this Portuguese case.

[G-Unit]

I think there is something seriously amiss with this tactic you are employing of denial.  There is absolutely no point in anyone other than you and those with whom you agree posting cites. 
I have found that any I have supplied of late have been subject to your derision of denial.

You cite the Mail - and that is kosher.

I cite the Mail - and you question if the report ever happened.

It is not an edifying tactic which you have employed in the past as now and in my opinion reeks of dishonesty.

I cited a story by Martin Brunt, as did you. In my cite he quoted Wolters. In your cite he quoted no-one. It's also possible to check what samples were collected during the first investigation and I could only find one sample described as saliva, the DNA from which was extracted by the Portuguese Forensic Institute and matched to the DNA of a British child by the FSS in the UK.

That sample was originally identified as semen by the Portuguese Forensic Institute, but the FSS matched it to a two year old boy, and on that basis concluded that it was saliva, not semen.

Perhaps that process is what the Germans wanted to check out?

[G-Unit]

I suppose it has a lot to do with jealousy between judicial police authorities. It wouldn't sit too well in Portugal if the Brits or the Germans solve this Portuguese case.

It wouldn't sit well if the Germans found a mistake by the FSS either.

[Brietta]

I suppose it has a lot to do with jealousy between judicial police authorities. It wouldn't sit too well in Portugal if the Brits or the Germans solve this Portuguese case.

British and Portuguese police already at odds over Madeleine McCann search as it emerges that Scotland Yard detectives can only watch their counterparts dig despite covering huge cost

• British and Portuguese police already at odds over Madeleine McCann search as it emerges that Scotland Yard detectives can only watch their counterparts dig despite covering huge cost
• Portuguese authorities approved Scotland Yard's plans to excavate site
• But they blocked request to search homes of suspects at Algarve resort
• Suspects were working at Ocean Club resort when Madeleine vanished
• They 'carried out break-ins at resort in run-up to Maddie's disappearance'
• But investigators are starting to dig waste ground at Praia da Luz resort
• Despite huge interest in case, Portuguese police are demanding secrecy
• They have threatened to halt their search if media is given information

By PAUL BENTLEY FOR THE DAILY MAIL and REBECCA CAMBER FOR THE DAILY MAIL and GERARD COUZENS FOR MAILONLINE and MARK DUELL
PUBLISHED: 10:40, 7 May 2014 | UPDATED: 07:41, 8 May 2014
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622233/British-police-leading-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-banned-searching-homes-burglary-suspects.html


I think initially the tensions between both forces was intense.  From what I saw of the actual search I didn't see many Portuguese officers getting their sleeves rolled up and making the brits watch them work.  It was very much the other way round.

As far as the present German investigation goes I think they are now feeling the same tensions the British did as the legal processes drag out.

[Brietta]

I cited a story by Martin Brunt, as did you. In my cite he quoted Wolters. In your cite he quoted no-one. It's also possible to check what samples were collected during the first investigation and I could only find one sample described as saliva, the DNA from which was extracted by the Portuguese Forensic Institute and matched to the DNA of a British child by the FSS in the UK.

That sample was originally identified as semen by the Portuguese Forensic Institute, but the FSS matched it to a two year old boy, and on that basis concluded that it was saliva, not semen.

Perhaps that process is what the Germans wanted to check out?

I'm not entering into any long winded discussion with you about this.  Just endeavour to exercise a little common sense and who knows it may go some way to make every members posting experience a much pleasanter one.