An Inept Investigation?

[Mr Gray]

It may have escaped your notice, but there has been a concerted effort to prevent any discussion of the McCann case which didn't uphold the story they told. A wide range of people were threatened in various ways in an attempt to prevent certain facts and opinions being expressed. No stone was left unturned; from dossiers gathered about ordinary people to high profile libel actions against media outlets.

In my opinion those efforts ensured that people found ways of expressing their opinions nevertheless. Why? Perhaps because people suspected that the adage 'no smoke without fire' had some truth in it. The unremitting determination to silence questioners simply reinforced their conviction that speaking out was necessary imo.

The PJ may have made mistakes, and their efforts may have been hampered, but they still trod their own path. Imo attempts were made to persuade them, like Operation Grange, to investigate only abduction by a stranger, but they didn't comply.

I find your post strange and not really in touch with reality. Nothing has been suppressed...its just that we have laws of libel. the McCanns havent enjoyed any special treatment in what can and cannot be said about them.

[Eleanor]

I dont claim to know what happened to Maddie but based on all the evidence its possible to decide whats most likely.

i dismiss the first investigation because they based their beliefs on an inability to understand the evidence....Imo I dismiss it because I have a very good understanding of the evidence.  Not sure why you feel the need to use words like arrogant and smugly...it really lowers your credibility imo

But words like arrogant and smugly are pertinent when given with No Evidence.  Some last ditch to God knows what.

Sorry, my thoughts on subject aren't the same as yours.  But no less pertinent.  There has never been any evidence against The McCanns.

[Eleanor]

I find your post strange and not really in touch with reality. Nothing has been suppressed...its just that we have laws of libel. the McCanns havent enjoyed any special treatment in what can and cannot be said about them.

Okay.  My use of words is occasionally not all that good.  But I can spot Libel.

However, I am beyond caring.  None of this will ever indict The McCanns.

[Eleanor]

Okay.  My use of words is occasionally not all that good.  But I can spot Libel.

However, I am beyond caring.  None of this will ever indict The McCanns.

In fact, bogger off.  And don't some seriously damaged person tell me that they know better.

This Forum is loaded with sad people who only want the worst.

[Eleanor]

What is it that so many of you want?  Why are you doing this when there is no evidence against The Maccans. 

Do you'll so desperately want The McCanns to be guilty?  But why would that be?  Are you all such disgusting parents yourselves?

I sometimes left my children alone for brief periods but then I have never denied that.  My reasons for doing so are none of your business.  Which is why I have never said for why.   I don't need your sympathy.

But then off you all go.

[Eleanor]

I could get very cross about this all.  There has never been any evidence to suggest that The McCanns harmed their daughter.  So where are we going with this?

Who are the people who want to make it so.  And for why?

[jassi]

I could get very cross about this all.  There has never been any evidence to suggest that The McCanns harmed their daughter.  So where are we going with this?

Who are the people who want to make it so.  And for why?

you take this all too personally.
There are differences of opinion, but it's usually only supporters who seem to get angry and affronted with those who disagree.

IMO

[Eleanor]

Once upon a time two parents went out to dinner just down the road a bit.  I honestly don't know if I would have done that.  But I might have done.

Actually no one ever invited me out to dinner while my husband was off somewhere else fighting for Queen and Country.  But that is another story.

In hindsight this was a very bad idea.  But I still don't know if I would have done it or even if it was a bad idea in the first place.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Once upon a time two parents went out to dinner just down the road a bit.  I honestly don't know if I would have done that.  But I might have done.

Actually no one ever invited me out to dinner while my husband was off somewhere else fighting for Queen and Country.  But that is another story.

In hindsight this was a very bad idea.  But I still don't know if I would have done it or even if it was a bad idea in the first place.

People do dumb, stupid, careless even neglectful things all the time.  Most of them don’t have their actions critiqued constantly for 14 plus years however.  For some reason people simply love laying into rhe McCanns.  It appears to give them great satisfaction and enjoyment as I’m sure Spam will confirm.

[G-Unit]

you take this all too personally.
There are differences of opinion, but it's usually only supporters who seem to get angry and affronted with those who disagree.

IMO

There seems to be a mismatch. On the one hand pride in belonging to a forum which welcomes different opinions coupled with dismay at the content of opposing posts.

[Brietta]

There seems to be a mismatch. On the one hand pride in belonging to a forum which welcomes different opinions coupled with dismay at the content of opposing posts.

Are you dismayed at the content of posts with which you are in disagreement?

[Vertigo Swirl]

There seems to be a mismatch. On the one hand pride in belonging to a forum which welcomes different opinions coupled with dismay at the content of opposing posts.

For the record, none of the posts on here by sceptics cause me dismay or anger.  Some I find laughable, many I find poorly reasoned, one or two cause irritation (especially the ones with misplaced apostrophes)  and occasionally just very occasionally one will give me pause for thought.  No doubt you feel the same about supporters’ posts (apart from I doubt anything I have written has caused you anything but lip-curling contempt  )

[G-Unit]

For the record, none of the posts on here by sceptics cause me dismay or anger.  Some I find laughable, many I find poorly reasoned, one or two cause irritation (especially the ones with misplaced apostrophes)  and occasionally just very occasionally one will give me pause for thought.  No doubt you feel the same about supporters’ posts (apart from I doubt anything I have written has caused you anything but lip-curling contempt  )

I'm pleased to hear it. Getting upset about differing opinions is not a sensible reaction. Neither, fyi, does anything you have to say arouse my contempt.

[John]

It may have escaped your notice, but there has been a concerted effort to prevent any discussion of the McCann case which didn't uphold the story they told. A wide range of people were threatened in various ways in an attempt to prevent certain facts and opinions being expressed. No stone was left unturned; from dossiers gathered about ordinary people to high profile libel actions against media outlets.

In my opinion those efforts ensured that people found ways of expressing their opinions nevertheless. Why? Perhaps because people suspected that the adage 'no smoke without fire' had some truth in it. The unremitting determination to silence questioners simply reinforced their conviction that speaking out was necessary imo.

The PJ may have made mistakes, and their efforts may have been hampered, but they still trod their own path. Imo attempts were made to persuade them, like Operation Grange, to investigate only abduction by a stranger, but they didn't comply.

It is true that the Amaral investigation was hampered by elements external to Portugal. I wonder will we ever find out why?

[Brietta]

It is true that the Amaral investigation was hampered by elements external to Portugal. I wonder will we ever find out why?

I think many of the allegations were down to Amaral's paranoia who saw spooks lurking in every airport or dark corner ~ don't forget in the very early days he tells us in his book of squandering resources by having a senior British police officer followed.

Amaral's claims have been denied and don't we know enough about him to take his claims with a pinch of salt.


THE Judicial Police did not feel any political pressure from the English authorities and even less of the Portuguese to act in this or that way. This pressure did not exist at all", said Pedro do Carmo, in an interview with Lusa agency, about the 10 years about the disappearance of the English child Madeleine McCann, in the Algarve.
https://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/784844/maddie-pj-nao-sentiu-qualquer-pressao-politica-de-autoridades-inglesas