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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #150 on: June 23, 2023, 12:37:27 AM »
I hope that she does not take on the Luke Mitchell case

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Chris Halkides is one of Amanda Knox’s most effusive supporters. He has pontificated extensively about the case on his blog View from Wilimington and on other Internet websites.

On 30 July, he was finally prompted to post an interview with Professor Balding done some months previously. I suspect Halkides had been very keen to interview Professor Balding after reading Colin Barras’ article on the New Scientist website; but was holding back on posting it because it went against his own claims.

Indeed,  his interview has turned out to be quite a slap in the face for the Friends of Amanda and Colin Barras, because Professor Balding categorically described the DNA evidence against Sollecito to Halkidis as “strong”.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: biased photo lineups
« Reply #151 on: June 23, 2023, 12:42:19 AM »
In Convicting the Innocent, a retrospective analysis of wrongful convictions, Brandon L. Garrett wrote, “Although showups may be highly suggestive, a lineup may also be suggestive if it is not set up fairly.  At least 34% of the trials obtained with eyewitness testimony (55 of 161 trials) were biased, or stacked to make the suspect stand out.  If some of the fillers in the lineup do not look anything like the description of the culprit, or the suspect, then the lineup is not a sound test of the eyewitnesses’ memory.41

This passage is relevant to the photo lineup that was shown to Andrina Bryson.  Mr. Mitchell's photo stood out, and he was the only one with long hair.  The fact that it was a photo lineup is also problematic.  "If a proper ID parade had been held instead - as recommended in official guidelines - a solicitor could have objected to the "stand-ins", said the lawyer [Donald Findlay]. https://www.heraldscotland.com/default_content/12456504.police-cast-fairness-aside-pin-murder-mitchell/

Some of the specifics of this identification are open to question.  "She never identified the girl as Jodi but described a male with lots of messy hair making a strange gesture towards the girl." Her initial description was of someone older than Luke Mitchell, and his hair pretty much hangs down.  Ms. Bryson was going around a turn, and to see the two people, she would have had to look left while turning right if northbound or right while turning left if southbound.  How she would have had time to observe strange gestures is not clear.

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Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #152 on: June 23, 2023, 01:17:35 AM »
I am not familiar with the Simon Hall case.  The Knox/Sollecito prosecution did not call a witness to test its hypothesis that the window was broken with a rock thrown from the inside.  Raffaele Sollecito's team called a witness who demonstrated what throwing a rock through a window would do.  "Francesco Pasquali, a retired forensic police officer hired as a consultant by Sollecito's defense, presented a video in court that included three different scenarios showing how the rock could have been thrown from the outside to break the window, located 13 feet off the ground...'By analyzing the trajectory of the rock and the projection of the glass shards, Pasquali said he could 'exclude that the glass could have been broken from the inside.'"
https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=7995762

Ms. Glass was talking nonsense here and elsewhere in her podcasts.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #153 on: June 23, 2023, 01:44:06 AM »
I am not familiar with the Simon Hall case.

Raffaele Sollecito's team called a witness who demonstrated what throwing a rock through a window would do

The 2007 BBC Rough Justice innocence fraud TV show “The Innocents’ Brief” on actual, factual guilty killer Simon Hall has footage of Prof. Peter Bull using a rock like ornament to demonstrate what using/throwing a rock like ornament at a window would do

It will reveal how tests undertaken on Mrs Albert's original window frame show her murderer's clothes would have been ingrained with tiny fragments of glass. Her killer is believed to have broken in to her Capel St Mary home through the window
The programme goes on to point out the clothing fibres which led to Hall's conviction for murder bore no traces of glass.

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/21302057.documentary-highlight-murder-case/
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Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #154 on: June 23, 2023, 01:46:40 AM »
There is a minor profile on the autosomal DNA of the bra clasp that is likely to be Mr. Sollecito's DNA; there is also a Y-Chromosomal profile that is likely to be his.  One problem for the prosecution is that there are additional alleles in the autosomal profile and probably a total of three donors to the Y-chromosomal DNA profile.  If some of the YSTR DNA was deposited in ways that were unrelated to the crime, then there is no reason to think differently with respect to Mr. Sollecito's DNA.  The second major problem for the prosecution is that the bra clasp was collected about six weeks after the rest of the evidence, enhancing the possibility of transfers unrelated to the crime.  The third problem is that the forensic workers stored the clasp improperly, making it impossible to retest.  Why should one trust a lab that does not store evidence in a way to prevent microbial degradation?  The fourth problem for the prosecution is that Raffaele was known to have been in contact with Meredith's door.  If a forensic worker touched Mr. Sollecito's DNA then collected the bra clasp, this would be tertiary transfer.  In the last fifteen years, the evidence for tertiary and higher order transfers of DNA has accumulated.

I don't have a fundamental objection to what Professor Balding and others have done, which is to create software to analyze complex autosomal mixtures, but there are specific issues that must be properly addressed in each case (I suggest reading some of Professor Dan Krane's writings on this subject if one is interested).  Nor do I believe that his conclusion regarding the bra clasp was flawed, as I indicated above.  But this sort of mixture analysis cannot make the problems that I discussed somehow disappear.

Now let us talk about one aspect of the DNA from the Mitchell case that relates to the issue of DNA mixtures.  Dr. Balding was doing his work during the Knox/Sollecito case (a paper of his appeared circa 2013).  TruAllele made its courtroom debut in 2009, although it is older.  The DNA from Jodi's bra had at least three contributors and these were partial profiles.  Given the state of art circa 2005, how was it possible to deconvolute a three-person (or more) mixture that was not even of full profiles?  Without a specific and credible answer to this question, the claim that Luke's DNA was present is unsustainable.   

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #155 on: June 23, 2023, 02:19:46 AM »
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Is this you (about 3/4 of the way down)

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Chris Halkides is one of Amanda Knox’s most effusive supporters. He has pontificated extensively about the case on his blog View from Wilimington and on other Internet websites.

On 30 July, he was finally prompted to post an interview with Professor Balding done some months previously. I suspect Halkides had been very keen to interview Professor Balding after reading Colin Barras’ article on the New Scientist website; but was holding back on posting it because it went against his own claims.

Indeed,  his interview has turned out to be quite a slap in the face for the Friends of Amanda and Colin Barras, because Professor Balding categorically described the DNA evidence against Sollecito to Halkidis as “strong”.


https://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php/tjmk/C992
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #156 on: June 23, 2023, 02:21:49 AM »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #158 on: June 23, 2023, 02:36:47 AM »
I just listened to a few minutes of one of the podcasts by Roberta Glass, and it had the usual nonsensical arguments.  After I heard her make an obvious forensic chemistry error, I gave up.


‘Some credit must go to Chris Halkides for finally posting the interview with Professor Balding even though it categorically said the DNA evidence against Sollecito is strong. I’m not sure he’ll be invited to any FOA events in the future.

Shame though on Colin Barras, for writing such a misleading article, and for using a straw man argument to highly misrepresent the DNA evidence against Amanda Knox which was then deliberately fed to the Italian media.

He completely ignored the six pieces of evidence that place her at the crime scene on the night of the murder. He also completely ignored the most important of Professor Balding’s findings.  ie that the DNA evidence against Sollecito is strong.

This finding implicates Knox and places her at the crime scene when Meredith was killed, and makes a mockery of Barras’s headline that suggested otherwise.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #159 on: June 23, 2023, 02:50:39 AM »
There is a minor profile on the autosomal DNA of the bra clasp that is likely to be Mr. Sollecito's DNA; there is also a Y-Chromosomal profile that is likely to be his.  One problem for the prosecution is that there are additional alleles in the autosomal profile and probably a total of three donors to the Y-chromosomal DNA profile.  If some of the YSTR DNA was deposited in ways that were unrelated to the crime, then there is no reason to think differently with respect to Mr. Sollecito's DNA.  The second major problem for the prosecution is that the bra clasp was collected about six weeks after the rest of the evidence, enhancing the possibility of transfers unrelated to the crime.  The third problem is that the forensic workers stored the clasp improperly, making it impossible to retest.  Why should one trust a lab that does not store evidence in a way to prevent microbial degradation?  The fourth problem for the prosecution is that Raffaele was known to have been in contact with Meredith's door.  If a forensic worker touched Mr. Sollecito's DNA then collected the bra clasp, this would be tertiary transfer.  In the last fifteen years, the evidence for tertiary and higher order transfers of DNA has accumulated.

I don't have a fundamental objection to what Professor Balding and others have done, which is to create software to analyze complex autosomal mixtures, but there are specific issues that must be properly addressed in each case (I suggest reading some of Professor Dan Krane's writings on this subject if one is interested).  Nor do I believe that his conclusion regarding the bra clasp was flawed, as I indicated above.  But this sort of mixture analysis cannot make the problems that I discussed somehow disappear.

Now let us talk about one aspect of the DNA from the Mitchell case that relates to the issue of DNA mixtures.  Dr. Balding was doing his work during the Knox/Sollecito case (a paper of his appeared circa 2013).  TruAllele made its courtroom debut in 2009, although it is older.  The DNA from Jodi's bra had at least three contributors and these were partial profiles.  Given the state of art circa 2005, how was it possible to deconvolute a three-person (or more) mixture that was not even of full profiles?  Without a specific and credible answer to this question, the claim that Luke's DNA was present is unsustainable.

’Ominous Development For Sollecito And Knox: A DNA Conviction Based On A Tiny Sample Of DNA’ ie; serial killer and innocence fraudster David Burgess
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #160 on: June 23, 2023, 03:36:57 AM »
Do you believe that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito are innocent or guilty?

Neither Amanda Knox or Raffaele Sollecito have proved their innocence!
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Offline Nicholas

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Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #162 on: June 24, 2023, 12:21:33 PM »
You mentioned the Simon Hall case once in a thread about Billy Middleton, but that does not mean that I ever looked into it.  With respect the Knox/Sollecito case, Ms. Glass has proved herself to be lacking in knowledge of the forensics of the case.  She is a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, and she is condescending on top of everything else.

Over the last couple of pages I have contrasted good practice in eyewitness testimony versus what was done in this case.

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #163 on: June 24, 2023, 03:09:19 PM »
Now consider the evidence of Mrs. Andrina Bryson:

Gordon McIlwraith wrote, "The trial also heard evidence yesterday from a woman who said she noticed a man and a girl at the head of the path on the day Jodi was killed. Andrina Bryson said she later saw a picture of Luke Mitchell in the Daily Record and she was taken aback because he looked like the person she had seen. Mrs Bryson, 26, said she was driving home shortly before 5pm when she spotted the girl and the young man at the Easthouses entrance to the path. She reported what she had seen to the police and they came to her house on August 14 with a sheet of photos of 12 young men. She picked out one and told the court: 'In relation to the person I had seen, he looked like that person.' The next day she saw a photo of Mitchell in the Record. Mrs Bryson said: 'I just couldn't believe it. It looked like the same person I had seen...Mrs Bryson admitted that when quizzed by the police about the sighting, she had estimated the girl was 14 or 15 but the man was in his early 20s.'" (found at TheFreeLibrary and upthread)

Both instances strike me as transplanted memories.

Are you claiming Gordon McIIwrath had a “transplanted memory” ?


[119]….Mrs Bryson returned to the witness box. In further examination in chief she described how police officers had come to her home and shown her a booklet of photographs which she had looked at carefully, taking her time. When asked whether at that time she recognised anyone, she responded "I seen someone there, yes". That person she had been asked to point out. She had pointed to photograph No. 4 (that of the appellant). She later explained the features which were the basis of her recognition - his hair and his small face. She confirmed that at the time she had said to the police officers - "Image 4 is very very like the male I saw at the top of the path", "He has the same shape of face, same colouring and same colour and style of hair" and "I am sure as I can be that is the same male". That was what she had felt on that day. The next day she had seen a photograph of the appellant in a newspaper, which had identified him by name. She had been totally taken aback by it. She testified "I just remember seeing it and I couldn't believe it ... because it looked to me like the same person".
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #164 on: June 24, 2023, 03:10:17 PM »
Both instances strike me as transplanted memories.
She is a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect

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