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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #75 on: June 14, 2022, 02:01:35 PM »
No.  Luke mitchell maintains his innocence because consequences of him admitting what he done isn't good he kniws that!People supporting him have consequences they look complete fools and charlatans. He's not going any where anytime soon and everyone in shotts prison knows that! Prisoners and staff. Believe it or not vast majority of prisoners int shotts just want to get on with their hefty sentences and live quiet life. What they don't like is anyone who has comitted a crime to women or children and if they can cause them harm they  they will. But luke mitchell types are heavily protected.  Majority of prisoners in shotts are doing life sentence and have nothing to loose.  If they thought luke mitchell was being released into society they would harm him. He's not rehabilitated,  he's a danger to society and will remain in prison. Luke mitchell maintains his innocence because he knows consequences

I subscribe to all of this. In a case such as this where there will never ever be unequivocal proof that he did it -- i.e., direct evidence -- LM will never admit his guilt. The reasons for this are twofold, imo: firstly, as Mrs S said, for his own safety and survival; and, secondly, he very probably is psychopathic and narcissistic  -- disorders which won't allow him to feel shame, empathy, remorse or guilt, and won't allow him to admit that he did it.

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony"
« Reply #76 on: June 14, 2022, 07:25:38 PM »
I subscribe to all of this. In a case such as this where there will never ever be unequivocal proof that he did it -- i.e., direct evidence -- LM will never admit his guilt. The reasons for this are twofold, imo: firstly, as Mrs S said, for his own safety and survival; and, secondly, he very probably is psychopathic and narcissistic  -- disorders which won't allow him to feel shame, empathy, remorse or guilt, and won't allow him to admit that he did it.

“Probably a psychopath and narcissistic”? Was your diagnosis based on your long years of psychiatric training or simply the notion that Luke has to be because otherwise he just might be innocent?
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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2022, 03:23:33 PM »


I read on the blue forum that they'd had that argument in school that Monday morning/afternoon, so presumably it had been discussed previously (maybe on the old WAP forum?). There is no smoke without fire, FL; it's probably been discussed previously, but because it probably wasn't deemed a main part of the prosecution's case it gradually petered out of discussions over the years? Perhaps it's just hard luck that no cite is available to back it up (the media didn't report every single piece of evidence led at court). As I said, it would be helpful if someone could expand on it, as it ties in with their confrontation spotted by AB at the top end of that path in Easthouses (the eastern side of Roan's Dyke Path).

He was still convicted by a majority verdict (9/6, from what I heard), such was the strength of the circumstantial evidence. Besides, juries are made of people with different abilities, intelligence and personalities. People with different analytical skills, different reading and listening comprehension abilities and different concentration levels and attention spans. Yes, this could work for or against a defendant, but I believe the circumstantial evidence led against LM as very robust. Hardly surprising he was convicted, imo.

Very telling you chose to evade those questions of LM's whereabouts during those times. He met up with DH at 1930, not 1900. Big difference, especially of what one can do in such time when full of adrenalin and when time is of the essence.

Yes, nearly 2 hours. He initially said he left his house at just after 1730 (but it subsequently and, ahem, conveniently changed to 1745 when evidence came through of his calls to the Jones' landline and CM being captured on CCTV at 1710; the whole alibi debacle would be hilarious if this wasn't such a heartbreaking and tragic case) and he met up with DH and co at 1930.

I presume he didn't call, as the police would have been able to ascertain this by obtaining phone logs from the Jones' landline (as they had done with LM's calls to the Jones' landline at 1732 and 1740). I believe most mobile phone operators, unlike with text messages -- which are not retained at all -- retain call records for a certain amount
of time (varies from operator to operator) so maybe the police looked into that (probably not, though, imo). And again, LM had wiped his entire phone history before the police took it on 01.07.03. As I understand it, Jodi had only failed to meet Luke once in their time of dating, and even on that single solitary occasion she had phoned Luke to let him know. So, yes, it was out of character for her not to show up. Also, she told her mother just before she left that she'd be "mucking around up there" (meaning Easthouses), and yet LM claimed she was coming to meet him at nbattle (which was a far less frequent occurrence than LM meeting her at Easthouses).

He was religiously with Jodi since they met (most nights as their relationship went on, and certainly most nights by the 30.06.03). But, on the night she uncharacteristically fails to show up, he uncharacteristically called DH (hopefully a cite will be provided in due course, confirming meeting up with him was not what he'd normally do)? I feel uneasy.

Luke banked on Jodi deleting their communications on Judith's phone; he probably instinctively knew that she would delete their messages, them being a private convo and all. Besides, even if Judith's phone held incriminating info, LM would obviously deny it (although, info of their meeting, especially at 1700 in Easthouses, would be important for the defence). Still, LM deleted everything from his phone before the police took it. Very telling.

There are so many questions simply because it was an entirely circumstantial case; it is inevitable and could go on til the end of time. It's also important to bear in mind that there were a few coincidences (eg, that 2 known delinquents were nearby when Jodi was murdered) and LM got lucky in some instances (like Jodi deleting those texts between 1634-1639, but the main slice of luck that LM had was that he never left any incriminating DNA behind . . . any incriminating DNA was likely on that Parka, and jeans and boots that were all likely disposed of in a fire). Calling the Jones' landline more would've alarmed them and that's what he would definitely not have wanted, especially as it was the height of summer and still light outside; he needed time to cover his tracks, which he did, but there were things that went against him (AB, RW and LF sightings, most notably and the police's foresight). He was very cunning  calling the Jones' landline when he did; it was just enough time to set the alibi in place, give the Jones family the impression that he cared and that nothing was wrong. And I believe he had called them at a time just after he'd murdered Jodi and hid her body. So calm and collected beyond his years. Chilling. As for saying to DH that she wasn't coming out, I guess that because they were inseparable by that point he (DH) would not have believed it and to avoid any more questions from DH that that answer would have incited (by telling him she would not be out is direct and straight to the point; a conversation stopper, if you will). LM saying he'd been stood up probably would have been better, but I suspect he had let his guard down here and had a lapse in concentration (inevitable, after what he'd recently done). He may well have been very intelligent and advanced, but he did, imo, give the police several things to use as evidence against him, which was bound to happen because of stress and pressure (he told police that Jodi borrowed clothes and the exact clothes and led them to that body far too quickly to escape suspicion, imo).

Sorry for any typos, etc. My iPhone is broken and I'm using a really substandard phone temporarily.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #78 on: June 15, 2022, 04:06:55 PM »

Luke banked on Jodi deleting their communications on Judith's phone; he probably instinctively knew that she would delete their messages, them being a private convo and all.

Or he simply told her too
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #79 on: June 15, 2022, 04:11:34 PM »

There are so many questions simply because it was an entirely circumstantial case

People like con women Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean have created questions where there are none

Had both women attended each and every day of the trial they would have had the answers to a lot of their questions

Just like con women Lynne Hall and Stephanie Bon had

‘Lynne Hall, The Cover Up & Re-Writing History’ https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-7%EF%B8%8F/

‘The ‘Affair’, Ghosting & Reinvention of Stephanie Bon (Part 1)’
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%EF%B8%8F/

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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #80 on: June 15, 2022, 04:17:59 PM »
Or he simply told her too

Hi, Nicholas. Good to see you are still around. You post a lot of good stuff, imo.

A quick question for you, if you don't mind:  do you think this murder by LM was premeditated?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #81 on: June 15, 2022, 04:25:15 PM »
Hi, Nicholas. Good to see you are still around. You post a lot of good stuff, imo.

A quick question for you, if you don't mind:  do you think this murder by LM was premeditated?

I suspect Luke Mitchell did fantasise about murder

And he lured [Name removed] to that path

So yes I do

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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #82 on: June 15, 2022, 04:40:29 PM »
People like con women Corinne Mitchell and Sandra Lean have created questions where there are none

Had both women attended each and every day of the trial they would have had the answers to a lot of their questions

Just like con women Lynne Hall and Stephanie Bon had

‘Lynne Hall, The Cover Up & Re-Writing History’ https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/08/quite-a-hall-tale-part-7%EF%B8%8F/

‘The ‘Affair’, Ghosting & Reinvention of Stephanie Bon (Part 1)’
https://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/05/12/quite-a-hall-tale-part-9%EF%B8%8F/

I don't know if SL and CM are 'con women'. There seem to be flaws in her book (maybe brought about by being emotionally attached to the Mitchells to an extent, and not as neutral as she should be?).

Regarding the trial -- I read some screenshots from a Rangers FC forum that were posted on the blue JB forum. They contained posts from S Kelly communicating with another member from the Rangers FC forum. The other guy said that he was one of the jurors at the trial, sat through and heard every single piece of evidence . . . he stated unequivocally that he was more than satisfied that the correct verdict was returned. Will upload it in due course (if it's still available).

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #83 on: June 15, 2022, 05:48:48 PM »
I don't know if SL and CM are 'con women'

I do, as do many others   8((()*/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #84 on: June 15, 2022, 05:58:52 PM »
Still, LM deleted everything from his phone before the police took it. Very telling.

He did and I agree

Have Corrine and Shane Mitchell’s telephone records from 30th June to 4th July been published?
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Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #85 on: June 15, 2022, 09:09:45 PM »
I read on the blue forum that they'd had that argument in school that Monday morning/afternoon, so presumably it had been discussed previously (maybe on the old WAP forum?). There is no smoke without fire, FL; it's probably been discussed previously, but because it probably wasn't deemed a main part of the prosecution's case it gradually petered out of discussions over the years? Perhaps it's just hard luck that no cite is available to back it up (the media didn't report every single piece of evidence led at court). As I said, it would be helpful if someone could expand on it, as it ties in with their confrontation spotted by AB at the top end of that path in Easthouses (the eastern side of Roan's Dyke Path).

So in short you read something on a forum and having no idea of the provenance of that information or of it’s veracity have chosen to believe it. Further although nowhere in any of AB’s statements or her testimony in court does she mention that the couple she saw seemed to be having an altercation you still believe, and indeed perpetrate that myth. Now have I got that right?

He was still convicted by a majority verdict (9/6, from what I heard), such was the strength of the circumstantial evidence. Besides, juries are made of people with different abilities, intelligence and personalities. People with different analytical skills, different reading and listening comprehension abilities and different concentration levels and attention spans. Yes, this could work for or against a defendant, but I believe the circumstantial evidence led against LM as very robust. Hardly surprising he was convicted, imo.

9/6….I didn’t realise that so few of the jury were convinced of Luke’s guilt after Parky claimed that the judge directed the jury that he wanted a strong majority. By anyone’s standards 9/6 isn’t strong majority.

Very telling you chose to evade those questions of LM's whereabouts during those times. He met up with DH at 1930, not 1900. Big difference, especially of what one can do in such time when full of adrenalin and when time is of the essence.


‘He has got what he deserves and I'm just glad it's finished. But I suppose for Jodi's family it's just beginning.'

Tulloch and Mitchell shared a good mutual friend in David High. They were not bosom buddies but Tulloch revealed Luke was happy to pass cannabis around.

He said: 'That night I got a phone call from David High, who was pals with Luke.

'We went up to meet him at the college at about 7pm and we just mucked about.

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/I+FEEL+SICK%3b+JODI+JONES%3a+THE+AFTERMATH+EXCLUSIVE%3a+Pal+reveals...-a0127512565


Yes, nearly 2 hours. He initially said he left his house at just after 1730 (but it subsequently and, ahem, conveniently changed to 1745 when evidence came through of his calls to the Jones' landline and CM being captured on CCTV at 1710; the whole alibi debacle would be hilarious if this wasn't such a heartbreaking and tragic case) and he met up with DH and co at 1930.

Luke called the Jones’s landline to tell Jodi that he was out at 17.32 and 17.40 so not sure the point that you are trying to make. As I have shown previously Luke met up with DH, according to testimony given under oath, around 7.

I presume he didn't call, as the police would have been able to ascertain this by obtaining phone logs from the Jones' landline (as they had done with LM's calls to the Jones' landline at 1732 and 1740). I believe most mobile phone operators, unlike with text messages -- which are not retained at all -- retain call records for a certain amount
of time (varies from operator to operator) so maybe the police looked into that (probably not, though, imo). And again, LM had wiped his entire phone history before the police took it on 01.07.03.

I’m sure he didn’t call but don’t you think he would have if trying to cover his tracks, this psychopathic narcissist ?

 As I understand it, Jodi had only failed to meet Luke once in their time of dating, and even on that single solitary occasion she had phoned Luke to let him know.

Again do you have a cite for that or is it something else you saw discussed on the blue forum?

So, yes, it was out of character for her not to show up. Also, she told her mother just before she left that she'd be "mucking around up there" (meaning Easthouses), and yet LM claimed she was coming to meet him at nbattle (which was a far less frequent occurrence than LM meeting her at Easthouses).

She had stood Luke up before, that’s the point and therefore it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that he may have thought that he had been stood up again.

“She’d be “mucking about up there”? Doesn’t sound as if she was spoiling for a fight with Luke,  does it?
Further if she intended to walk down the path to Newbattle alone do you think, knowing her mum’s feelings, that Jodi would have told her mum truth? Of course that would also explain why she may have wiped her texts to Luke that afternoon from her mum’s phone.


He was religiously with Jodi since they met (most nights as their relationship went on, and certainly most nights by the 30.06.03). But, on the night she uncharacteristically fails to show up, he uncharacteristically called DH (hopefully a cite will be provided in due course, confirming meeting up with him was not what he'd normally do)? I feel uneasy.

’Hopefully a cite will be provided in due course’….we can but hope.

Luke banked on Jodi deleting their communications on Judith's phone; he probably instinctively knew that she would delete their messages, them being a private convo and all. Besides, even if Judith's phone held incriminating info, LM would obviously deny it (although, info of their meeting, especially at 1700 in Easthouses, would be important for the defence). Still, LM deleted everything from his phone before the police took it. Very telling.

What would be the use of denying it, if the information was available on Judith’s phone?

There are so many questions simply because it was an entirely circumstantial case; it is inevitable and could go on til the end of time. It's also important to bear in mind that there were a few coincidences (eg, that 2 known delinquents were nearby when Jodi was murdered) and LM got lucky in some instances (like Jodi deleting those texts between 1634-1639, but the main slice of luck that LM had was that he never left any incriminating DNA behind . . . any incriminating DNA was likely on that Parka, and jeans and boots that were all likely disposed of in a fire). Calling the Jones' landline more would've alarmed them and that's what he would definitely not have wanted, especially as it was the height of summer and still light outside; he needed time to cover his tracks, which he did, but there were things that went against him (AB, RW and LF sightings, most notably and the police's foresight). He was very cunning  calling the Jones' landline when he did; it was just enough time to set the alibi in place, give the Jones family the impression that he cared and that nothing was wrong. And I believe he had called them at a time just after he'd murdered Jodi and hid her body. So calm and collected beyond his years. Chilling. As for saying to DH that she wasn't coming out, I guess that because they were inseparable by that point he (DH) would not have believed it and to avoid any more questions from DH that that answer would have incited (by telling him she would not be out is direct and straight to the point; a conversation stopper, if you will). LM saying he'd been stood up probably would have been better, but I suspect he had let his guard down here and had a lapse in concentration (inevitable, after what he'd recently done). He may well have been very intelligent and advanced, but he did, imo, give the police several things to use as evidence against him, which was bound to happen because of stress and pressure (he told police that Jodi borrowed clothes and the exact clothes and led them to that body far too quickly to escape suspicion, imo).

Sorry for any typos, etc. My iPhone is broken and I'm using a really substandard phone temporarily.


No problem about the typos but you can’t simply weave a case from the fibres of rumour, myth and supposition.



Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #86 on: June 16, 2022, 12:24:04 PM »
Regarding the trial -- I read some screenshots from a Rangers FC forum that were posted on the blue JB forum. They contained posts from S Kelly communicating with another member from the Rangers FC forum. The other guy said that he was one of the jurors at the trial, sat through and heard every single piece of evidence . . . he stated unequivocally that he was more than satisfied that the correct verdict was returned. Will upload it in due course (if it's still available).

Corinne Mitchell missed a lot of her killer son Luke Mitchell’s trial because she wouldn’t have been able to listen in until after she gave her evidence

And Sandra Lean did not attend the trial and has been making it up ever since

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A 14yr old, with no history of violence or cruelty to animals, nothing.But all of a sudden, out of no where, carriez out extreme violence on a scale as bad as Tobins. Didn't happen and you'll know that. But Hamilton and cops spread lie after lie to smear him,and create a murderer
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And Sandra Lean had no idea what went on in the Mitchell household before she met them
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Offline Nicholas

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #87 on: June 16, 2022, 12:30:55 PM »
TruthSeekers
@sl_seekers
@eastlothianmp
 its taken 18 years and social media to compliment Dr 
@SandraLean5
 . Everyone 23k + knows the truth. Its a public enquiry for this case.
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Ambedkar
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 · Jun 13
A 14yr old, with no history of violence or cruelty to animals, nothing.But all of a sudden, out of no where, carriez out extreme violence on a scale as bad as Tobins. Didn't happen and you'll know that. But Hamilton and cops spread lie after lie to smear him,and create a murderer
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Sandra Lean’s PhD thesis is nonsense and she used the nonsense of others like Philip Saunder’s killer Michael O’Brien & con man and groomer Michael Naughton, in an attempt to back up her nonsense


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Offline Mr Apples

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2022, 12:46:22 PM »
Corinne Mitchell missed a lot of her killer son Luke Mitchell’s trial because she wouldn’t have been able to listen in until after she gave her evidence.

Good point. During the 2007 BBC Frontline Scotland documentary, I was left with the distinct impression that Corinne was genuinely bamboozled that her son Luke was found guilty and looked like a woman who genuinely and sincerely believed he didn't do it. Perhaps Corinne doesn't know the full story of what happened on 30.06.03 and Shane was the one fully in the know and the one who helped Luke that fateful day? Or was she/is she in denial? Was she acting and pretending in front of the cameras? Did anyone else get this impression when watching the 2007 Frontline doco?

Offline faithlilly

Re: "Laughable eyewitness testimony
« Reply #89 on: June 19, 2022, 06:22:19 PM »
Good point. During the 2007 BBC Frontline Scotland documentary, I was left with the distinct impression that Corinne was genuinely bamboozled that her son Luke was found guilty and looked like a woman who genuinely and sincerely believed he didn't do it. Perhaps Corinne doesn't know the full story of what happened on 30.06.03 and Shane was the one fully in the know and the one who helped Luke that fateful day? Or was she/is she in denial? Was she acting and pretending in front of the cameras? Did anyone else get this impression when watching the 2007 Frontline doco?

So only Shane was in the know? Didn’t Corrine come home at 17.15? Are you saying that, if AB’s testimony in court is true, that Luke murdered Jodi, got back to his home and cleaned up completely, with not a jot of forensic transfer, in under 20 minutes?

Do you not think the Corrine was bamboozled because she knew that it was impossible for her son to have committed the crime in the time suggested? Further if you think Corrine knew nothing then you must believe that she didn’t burn Luke’s clothes or buy another parka to replace the one that was burned?

Things don’t really fit together, do they?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?