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Offline Uncle Jr

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #405 on: October 22, 2021, 10:55:51 AM »
Just speculation, obviously, but how about a child being given a sedative but having a fatal accident before it had time to take effect? The sedator would then be facing the possibility that a post mortem would reveal the sedation, even though it had nothing to do with the accident.
Vertigo Swirl makes a good point - plus wouldn't that be quite a coincidence, she was sedated and had a fatal accident prior to it taking effect?
Although I take your point on 'covering their tracks', if, as they were, medically minded.

Offline Brietta

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #406 on: October 22, 2021, 11:45:19 AM »
Vertigo Swirl makes a good point - plus wouldn't that be quite a coincidence, she was sedated and had a fatal accident prior to it taking effect?
Although I take your point on 'covering their tracks', if, as they were, medically minded.

If by chance we are speaking libellously about the McCann children here - it is worth noting they were in bed sleeping by eight pm after an exhausting day.
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Offline Uncle Jr

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #407 on: October 22, 2021, 11:55:40 AM »
If by chance we are speaking libellously about the McCann children here - it is worth noting they were in bed sleeping by eight pm after an exhausting day.
Good point well made.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #408 on: October 22, 2021, 12:11:00 PM »
If by chance we are speaking libellously about the McCann children here - it is worth noting they were in bed sleeping by eight pm after an exhausting day.

According to their parents yes, but it's quite possible only 2 were actually sleeping & the other one was dead.
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Offline Uncle Jr

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #409 on: October 22, 2021, 12:20:09 PM »
According to their parents yes, but it's quite possible only 2 were actually sleeping & the other one was dead.
That shouldn't be funny, but it is.

Offline barrier

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #410 on: October 22, 2021, 12:32:21 PM »
That shouldn't be funny, but it is.

That won't endear you to the supporters.
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Offline Uncle Jr

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #411 on: October 22, 2021, 12:37:08 PM »
That won't endear you to the supporters.
I'm not too concerned with taking sides. As irreverent as it was, and I'm sure some will take vicarious offence, it was quite amusing to me.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #412 on: October 22, 2021, 12:52:00 PM »
Just speculation, obviously, but how about a child being given a sedative but having a fatal accident before it had time to take effect? The sedator would then be facing the possibility that a post mortem would reveal the sedation, even though it had nothing to do with the accident.

Yes.. Then just to put the police off the track suggest the other two have been sedated

Offline Uncle Jr

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #413 on: October 22, 2021, 01:09:10 PM »
Yes.. Then just to put the police off the track suggest the other two have been sedated
If we look at it logically, all 3 kids would have to be sedated in the same way to ensure they were not disturbed.
So the risk of one of them getting up and mooching around or looking for their mum and dad should be negated - that would be the primary reason for doing it (according to those of a sceptical bent).
If we take that logic and apply it further by suggesting that all 3 kids would have been administered the same dose, it would stand to reason that MM would be the most likely to be physiologically able of the 3 to withstand / resist (for want of a better phrase) said dose and would therefore be the most likely to be able to rouse herself and potentially wander.
If this did occur, and I doubt it did, then this would have at least been the 3rd of 4th time sedation was used, given the testimony of the parents themselves that going out / monitoring was the established routine, albeit only 3 days.
If we then take the disputed account of Mrs Fenn, who heard a child crying for a prolonged period, an account corroborated by Kate herself, although not in its entirety, then there was opportunity on this holiday alone to adjust the sedative dose accordingly.
I don't see how all of this fits with a fatal accident that resulted in a significant fall, however. Surely overdose or anaphylactic reaction would be the most likely mode of death? Therefore this apparent spattering of bodily fluids would not occur (unless resuscitation was attempted, even then, I don't see it personally).

This is probably all off topic, so I apologise, but this sedation theory has too many moving parts for me.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #414 on: October 22, 2021, 01:56:00 PM »
Just speculation, obviously, but how about a child being given a sedative but having a fatal accident before it had time to take effect? The sedator would then be facing the possibility that a post mortem would reveal the sedation, even though it had nothing to do with the accident.
If someone went to the trouble of sedating their kids to go "out on the piss" you'd think they'd at least wait until the kids were unconscious before leaving them.  Or do you think they would be happy to leave with their kids wanting mummy and daddy and crying and wandering around the apartment in a daze?  Or is this the sort of sedative that puts kids under really quickly but then jolts them back to consciousness a few minutes later?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Uncle Jr

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #415 on: October 22, 2021, 02:03:36 PM »
If someone went to the trouble of sedating their kids to go "out on the piss" you'd think they'd at least wait until the kids were unconscious before leaving them.  Or do you think they would be happy to leave with their kids wanting mummy and daddy and crying and wandering around the apartment in a daze?  Or is this the sort of sedative that puts kids under really quickly but then jolts them back to consciousness a few minutes later?
I think the prevailing theory is that the sedative didn't work for Maddie at least one of the previous evenings, so with that in mind, yes, they believe they were "happy to leave their kids potentially wandering around the apartment in a daze".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #416 on: October 22, 2021, 02:43:49 PM »
I think the prevailing theory is that the sedative didn't work for Maddie at least one of the previous evenings, so with that in mind, yes, they believe they were "happy to leave their kids potentially wandering around the apartment in a daze".
It's not a very good theory though in my opinion.  If you knew that the dose wasn't strong enough to knock out the child, you'd up the dose and then tie her to the bed surely?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Uncle Jr

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #417 on: October 22, 2021, 02:58:32 PM »
It's not a very good theory though in my opinion.  If you knew that the dose wasn't strong enough to knock out the child, you'd up the dose and then tie her to the bed surely?
I detect sarcasm in there somewhere.
Let's give them their unworkable theory for now. I doubt they'd be experimenting with dosage whilst on holiday, certainly not having arrived with various medications (although I'm not sure what they actually had).
The theory depends on prior knowledge and use in my opinion, with a dosage having been established as sufficient prior to the holiday during the course of normal life.
So there's some sense in that, as far as I can see, but where it falls down is a case of being hoisted by their own petard - if they knew what doses worked prior to the holiday and came armed with the effective medication, then they must have deviated from the sedation as per their own knowledge and experience, because MM (and possibly SM) woke up and was crying.
Why do that? Why change, particularly when, according the sceptics, they were bent on going out and having a relatively uninterrupted time?

It's never made any sense to me this whole theory and for Amaral to propagate it is a reflection on his incompetence.

Offline Snowgirl

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #418 on: October 22, 2021, 03:08:19 PM »
It's not a very good theory though in my opinion.  If you knew that the dose wasn't strong enough to knock out the child, you'd up the dose and then tie her to the bed surely?
Or you'd dose with something else . Hidden but in plain sight .

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Maddie Basta de Mentiras
« Reply #419 on: October 22, 2021, 03:57:03 PM »
Or you'd dose with something else . Hidden but in plain sight .
Something which didn't work, such as?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".