Anectdotal witness evidence

[Mr Gray]

Calling Eddie back is evidence of nothing, no matter how much people like to think it is, unless they know why it was done. Guessing is not evaluating.

The most important point is Grime cannot prove the alerts were to cadaver.

[G-Unit]

The most important point is Grime cannot prove the alerts were to cadaver.

Who said he could? not him.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who said he could? not him.

If a dog such as Eddie is to be used to establish the presence of a cadaver, evidence that may be used in court, then imo there should be some means of independently verifying the accuracy of such a dog.  Is that too much to ask?

[faithlilly]

I probably have more qualification in assessing evidence
than grime.. You need to look at his white paper to understand... It's embarrassing in parts

Do you have a professional or specialized knowledge in cadaver dog training then? Where did you obtain this knowledge?
Has the FBI ever employed you because of your expertise in this field? If not, why not?

[G-Unit]

Do you have a professional or specialized knowledge in cadaver dog training then? Where did you obtain this knowledge?
Has the FBI ever employed you because of your expertise in this field? If not, why not?

Self certification it seems.

[Brietta]

Self certification it seems.

Precisely; "self certification" is what caused Eddie to be classed as "incompetent" when working in Luz (Keela's accreditation lapsed a fortnight into her time in HDLG) although Grime was of the opinion his dogs' training was superior to the ACPO accreditation.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Self certification it seems.

like Grime you mean?

[G-Unit]

Precisely; "self certification" is what caused Eddie to be classed as "incompetent" when working in Luz (Keela's accreditation lapsed a fortnight into her time in HDLG) although Grime was of the opinion his dogs' training was superior to the ACPO accreditation.

Police working dogs who failed to achieve a licence were classed as incompetent by ACPO and weren't deployed until they regained their licences. Eddie was no longer a police dog, so ACPO rules no longer applied to him.

Even when Eddie and Keela were police dogs they were assessed in a unique way;

"They are tested to units of assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their
type in the world."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

[Mr Gray]

Self certification it seems.

It's a reasonable question snd I'm happy to answer it.. But it's a bit early yet.  Most of Grimes claims are, self certified

[Mr Gray]

Police working dogs who failed to achieve a licence were classed as incompetent by ACPO and weren't deployed until they regained their licences. Eddie was no longer a police dog, so ACPO rules no longer applied to him.

Even when Eddie and Keela were police dogs they were assessed in a unique way;

"They are tested to units of assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their
type in the world."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Self certification... It was keela who was unique afsiaa... Eddie obviously wasnt

[Brietta]

like Grime you mean?

Certain jobs have stringent on-going requirements to ensure competence.

For example - the gas engineer who comes to your home has to undertake a statutory gas safety refresher course at regular set intervals throughout his/her working life.

Without that required up to date certification he/she is not allowed to work at the trade.

[Mr Gray]

Do you have a professional or specialized knowledge in cadaver dog training then? Where did you obtain this knowledge?
Has the FBI ever employed you because of your expertise in this field? If not, why not?

I have specialised and professional training in the assessment of evidence..... I would say my understanding of evidence is superior to Grimes based on some very  unscientific remarks in his white paper.. For the record I'm UK snd US trained... More to come

[Brietta]

Police working dogs who failed to achieve a licence were classed as incompetent by ACPO and weren't deployed until they regained their licences. Eddie was no longer a police dog, so ACPO rules no longer applied to him.

Even when Eddie and Keela were police dogs they were assessed in a unique way;

"They are tested to units of assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their
type in the world."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

The courts in the USA demand a certain high level of accredited competence for working dogs.  Grime was only eligible to appear as an expert witness there due to the proven competence of his dogs.  From what I have read of court cases in the US, it also seems to be the norm that use of more than one one handler and more than one accredited dog team is the norm.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Police working dogs who failed to achieve a licence were classed as incompetent by ACPO and weren't deployed until they regained their licences. Eddie was no longer a police dog, so ACPO rules no longer applied to him.

Even when Eddie and Keela were police dogs they were assessed in a unique way;

"They are tested to units of assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their
type in the world."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm

Why should cadaver dogs whose evidence may be used (potentially) to determine the innocence or guilt of others in criminal investigations by police not be subjected to independent rigorous testing and licensing?  Just one plausible, logical reason will do.

[Mr Gray]

Do you have a professional or specialized knowledge in cadaver dog training then? Where did you obtain this knowledge?
Has the FBI ever employed you because of your expertise in this field? If not, why not?

I do have some specialised knowledge of scent dog training.

First.. It's not rocket science and fairly simple.
A dog is chosen who likes to retrieve a ball.. Not al dogs do.
A game is played, and the ball hidden. The dog finds it.  Scent is then applied to tha ball and the game continues.
Eventually it's just the scent that's hidden.. The dog finds it a and is rewarded with the ball.. It's an extremely simple low skilled process.
The difference between scent dogs such as explosive.. Drug.. Cash... Dogs is that these digs are trained on a single precise scent.. Which makes them more reliable. Cadaver digs in the UK are not... Hence Grimes statement thst the only reliable cadaver dog is one trained solely on human cadaver scent.  We still do not know what a cadavver dogvreacts to..
Si cadaver dog training is simple ..there's not a lot to understand.. More to come