Anectdotal witness evidence

[Mr Gray]

The dog alerts proved nothing. That's not the subject being discussed. The discussion is about whether Grime worked his dogs in the correct manner.

I have no problem with how Grime worked his dogs...apart from the fact he seemed to encourage alerts in 5a..imo...the claimed alert to cc doesnt really look credible.
its the claims he has amdea nd not clarified. How suggestive are the alerts om a scale of 1 to 100

[G-Unit]

Yes I have made the comparison and what I find extraordinary is that you and I appear to be watching different videos.

But there you go.

I have counted how many times Grime called Eddie in 5A. I made it 3 times. In 5H I counted at least 10 times that Grime called "Eddie come".

In my opinion that was because Eddie was, as Grime mentioned, very focused in 5A and much less so in 5H. Here is the link if anyone wishes to count for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8&t=1510s

[G-Unit]

If Grime worked his dogs correctly and that everything he claimed about their infallibility was correct then you'd have to concede that it is not just McCann supporters that doubt Grime and his claims, but also two leading police forces, seeing as how they appear to be treating both him and his dog alerts as a complete irrelevance to the current investigation.

I can't speak for the Germans, but Operation Grange's remit was to search for the abductor. Somewhere along the way it was decided that the crime was an abduction, it seems. Whether that was the correct decision can't be judged, as the evidence considered has never been shared.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I can't speak for the Germans, but Operation Grange's remit was to search for the abductor. Somewhere along the way it was decided that the crime was an abduction, it seems. Whether that was the correct decision can't be judged, as the evidence considered has never been shared.

I wasn't asking you to judge on their decision, only to concede that clearly it's not just McCann supporters who doubt the dog alerts - the police at some level also had doubts about Grime's dog alerts as they appear to have dismissed them entirely.  Of course you will never concede anything, twas ever thus. 

[Mr Gray]

I have counted how many times Grime called Eddie in 5A. I made it 3 times. In 5H I counted at least 10 times that Grime called "Eddie come".

In my opinion that was because Eddie was, as Grime mentioned, very focused in 5A and much less so in 5H. Here is the link if anyone wishes to count for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NMYPsFKb8&t=1510s

You have a lot of belief in Grime and his dogs abilities. I dont. It takes about 2 months to train a scent dog....instructions on you tube.

I think Grime simply has too much faith in his dogs abilities.

You have faith in Grime but not in Wolters...your opinion and choice. Wolters has the opportunity to show which one of us is right

[G-Unit]

You have a lot of belief in Grime and his dogs abilities. I dont. It takes about 2 months to train a scent dog....instructions on you tube.

I think Grime simply has too much faith in his dogs abilities.

You have faith in Grime but not in Wolters...your opinion and choice. Wolters has the opportunity to show which one of us is right

If you want to think I believe in Grime feel free. My intention is, in fact, to demonstrate the weakness of the evidence used to support the slurs aimed at him.

[Mr Gray]

If you want to think I believe in Grime feel free. My intention is, in fact, to demonstrate the weakness of the evidence used to support the slurs aimed at him.

You are giving your opinion on the evidence...that is all
I use the word believe because there is so little evidence to support the alerts...you seem ok with that.
According to the Germans the evidence shows that Maddie did not die in the apt

[Vertigo Swirl]

If you want to think I believe in Grime feel free. My intention is, in fact, to demonstrate the weakness of the evidence used to support the slurs aimed at him.

How kind of you.  Perhaps you might just for a change have a go at demonstrating the weakness of the evidence used to support slurs aimed at the McCanns?  No, thought not....

[Brietta]

If you want to think I believe in Grime feel free. My intention is, in fact, to demonstrate the weakness of the evidence used to support the slurs aimed at him.

To what slurs do you refer?

Please give some examples.

[Mr Gray]

I can't speak for the Germans, but Operation Grange's remit was to search for the abductor. Somewhere along the way it was decided that the crime was an abduction, it seems. Whether that was the correct decision can't be judged, as the evidence considered has never been shared.

Part of the evidence would be the dog alerts.  SY and the Germans are quite happy to totally ignore them which can only mean they are not convinced by them.

[G-Unit]

Part of the evidence would be the dog alerts.  SY and the Germans are quite happy to totally ignore them which can only mean they are not convinced by them.

The dog alerts are not evidence of abduction. I don't know what evidence of abduction the police are relying on.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The dog alerts are not evidence of abduction. I don't know what evidence of abduction the police are relying on.

You seem extremely reluctant to accept that the current investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance has dismissed the dog alerts as irrelevant- why?

[Mr Gray]

The dog alerts are not evidence of abduction. I don't know what evidence of abduction the police are relying on.

I understand exactly what evidence the police are relying on and it makes perfect sense.  If the alerts are valid then it means Maddie was not abducted... Therefore both SY.. And the Germans do not accept they are valid

[G-Unit]

You seem extremely reluctant to accept that the current investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance has dismissed the dog alerts as irrelevant- why?

There are currently two separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. Why do people keep trying to suggest there's only one?

Do you have a cite showing either of them describing the dog alerts as irrelevant? I suspect that word was chosen by you.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There are currently two separate investigations into Madeleine's disappearance. Why do people keep trying to suggest there's only one?

Do you have a cite showing either of them describing the dog alerts as irrelevant? I suspect that word was chosen by you.

There are two separate investigations into madeleine’s disappearance but co-operating with each other.  Both are focused on stranger abduction which means without any doubt whatsoever that the dog alerts are, as far as both investigations are concerned, completely irrelevant.  Now argue that they are still relevant to the investigations.