Author Topic: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect  (Read 106699 times)

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Offline Wonderfulspam


Well they know which brand of cigarette it was according to your source, so once they prove Brueckner smoked the same brand, case solved.

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Offline Wonderfulspam


Gerry never mentioned the distinctive smell of fag smoke in the apartment, being a non smoker that's something he would probably notice, so Brueckner wasn't smoking before or during his check.

Neither Kate or Matt mention smelling smoke either, but with good reason I think.

Brueckner got a fright when Gerry came in, he hid in the closet until the 9pm check was over then sparked up a ciggie to relieve his stress, that's why he opened the window.
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Offline G-Unit

Keep your hair on dear, there’s anecdotal evidence even if the lab report never made it to the files released to the media.   In any case it’s now widely accepted (by everyone not in denial)  that the evidence gathering from the apartment was poor and the scene was contaminated, the end.

Anecdotal evidence is not reliable, especially in this case where no-one who said it can be identified. There is no reason to think that any forensic reports were withheld either.

The crime scene was contaminated by the plethora of people traipsing in and out of the apartment before the PJ arrived. That cerainly made the job of gathering evidence difficult.
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Offline Eleanor

There's nothing in the files to suggest they ran tests on cigarette ash, however there are newspaper reports that the ash was analysed and confirmed to be the same brand as that smoked by the police officers who were in the apartment at the time.  Where such analysis ended up is anyone's guess, if it actually ever existed at all - it certainly wouldn't surprise me if such an inconvenient piece of analysis ended up in the bin.  As for Bruckner smoking, I believe he did but I can't confirm that with a hand written statement by him admitting he did, so probably best to say he didn't just to be on the safe side...  8(0(*

Oh Dear.  They might have missed a trick there with Brueckner.

Offline Eleanor

Gerry never mentioned the distinctive smell of fag smoke in the apartment, being a non smoker that's something he would probably notice, so Brueckner wasn't smoking before or during his check.

Neither Kate or Matt mention smelling smoke either, but with good reason I think.

Brueckner got a fright when Gerry came in, he hid in the closet until the 9pm check was over then sparked up a ciggie to relieve his stress, that's why he opened the window.

You could well be right.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Anecdotal evidence is not reliable, especially in this case where no-one who said it can be identified. There is no reason to think that any forensic reports were withheld either.

The crime scene was contaminated by the plethora of people traipsing in and out of the apartment before the PJ arrived. That cerainly made the job of gathering evidence difficult.
It didn't stop the police from gathering samples from Madeleine's bedding or Cuddle Cat.  It didn't prevent them from taking appropriate measures such as wearing protective gloves when taking samples but carry on defending the PJ's slip-shod methods and failing which have been widely condemned by professionals in the field such as Colin Sutton etc.
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Offline The General

Anecdotal evidence is not reliable, especially in this case where no-one who said it can be identified. There is no reason to think that any forensic reports were withheld either.

The crime scene was contaminated by the plethora of people traipsing in and out of the apartment before the PJ arrived. That certainly made the job of gathering evidence difficult.
In fairness, I would have expected the parents to turn the place upside down. But even the beds were virtually undisturbed. But apparently there's only a finite number of hiding places in a small apartment.
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Offline Brietta

Gerry never mentioned the distinctive smell of fag smoke in the apartment, being a non smoker that's something he would probably notice, so Brueckner wasn't smoking before or during his check.

Neither Kate or Matt mention smelling smoke either, but with good reason I think.

Brueckner got a fright when Gerry came in, he hid in the closet until the 9pm check was over then sparked up a ciggie to relieve his stress, that's why he opened the window.

Yeah there is a distinct possibility that Brueckner was already in the apartment and was startled by Gerry's return but I don't think he lit up necessitating ventilation.
There are any number of reasons why he may have opened the window but without a doubt that was not one of them; for example it did not appear to be his MO as it has not been reported or suggested by any of his other victims.

The point of the cigarette ash contamination is that anecdotal evidence has police officers on hand contaminating the crime scene; there never was any suggestion that the perpetrator stopped what he was doing to have a break for a ciggy; but you know that already don't you - but why pass up the opportunity to try another tiresome wind up.
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Offline The General

Yeah there is a distinct possibility that Brueckner was already in the apartment and was startled by Gerry's return but I don't think he lit up necessitating ventilation.
There are any number of reasons why he may have opened the window but without a doubt that was not one of them; for example it did not appear to be his MO as it has not been reported or suggested by any of his other victims.

The point of the cigarette ash contamination is that anecdotal evidence has police officers on hand contaminating the crime scene; there never was any suggestion that the perpetrator stopped what he was doing to have a break for a ciggy; but you know that already don't you - but why pass up the opportunity to try another tiresome wind up.
Why do you reckon he hypothetically opened the window?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Of course Bruckner dealt in drugs so quite probable that he occasionally or often got high on his own supply - I wonder if this was the funny smell that was noticed by some of the children who were attacked in their beds whilst on holiday on the Algarve?
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Offline G-Unit

In fairness, I would have expected the parents to turn the place upside down. But even the beds were virtually undisturbed. But apparently there's only a finite number of hiding places in a small apartment.

Gerry McCann searched under the beds;

He remembers that after it was known that Madeleine had disappeared he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

I know she was small for her age, but would she have fitted under there?

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Offline The General

Of course Bruckner dealt in drugs so quite probable that he occasionally or often got high on his own supply - I wonder if this was the funny smell that was noticed by some of the children who were attacked in their beds whilst on holiday on the Algarve?
Rumour has it he killed Natalie Wood too when Wagner and Walken were 'down below'.
Just a rumour mind.
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Offline The General

Gerry McCann searched under the beds;

He remembers that after it was known that Madeleine had disappeared he looked for her all over the apartment. He particularly remembers having looked under all the beds
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

I know she was small for her age, but would she have fitted under there?

No. Behind maybe, but not under. But I'd have had those beds out to make sure they didn't have divan drawers.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Yeah there is a distinct possibility that Brueckner was already in the apartment and was startled by Gerry's return but I don't think he lit up necessitating ventilation.
There are any number of reasons why he may have opened the window but without a doubt that was not one of them; for example it did not appear to be his MO as it has not been reported or suggested by any of his other victims.

The point of the cigarette ash contamination is that anecdotal evidence has police officers on hand contaminating the crime scene; there never was any suggestion that the perpetrator stopped what he was doing to have a break for a ciggy; but you know that already don't you - but why pass up the opportunity to try another tiresome wind up.

Eleanor & Vertigo seem quite keen on the idea.

and it really isn't my fault the 'abduction' of Madeleine McCann presents so much opportunity for ridicule.
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Offline barrier

Well they know which brand of cigarette it was according to your source, so once they prove Brueckner smoked the same brand, case solved.

The list is rather long, this is but a few from memory, no doubt many many more ,Peter Stuyvesant, Marlborough, Gauloises, Embassy , B&H, roll ups, them menthanol ones, oh which one would it be ?
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