The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect

[Brietta]

Is everyone out of step but Goncalo Amaral, who until very recently was publicly hawking his product and his opinion in the public market place.
One wonders how many are still falling for this vociferous support for a criminal who was close at hand when Madeleine disappeared but who the Judicial Police coordinated by Amaral at the time didn't question although according to him, was on their radar.


In "Maddie: Enough lies!", you can find many pages that look at the latest suspect in the kidnapping of the girl, the German Christian Brueckner, who Gonçalo Amaral believes will be accused of the crime, but "without evidence".

During the presentation of the book to the press, the former inspector of the Judicial Police made harsh criticism stifling the German investigation, even mentioning that there are several "incongruities" throughout the process — starting with the conviction of rape (for which Christian Brueckner is currently serving time), and the German police, according to Gonçalo Amaral, did not have concrete evidence that this happened.

These are aspects that lead the former inspector to believe that Christian B. will be charged with Maddie's case. "I believe that the German prosecutor will charge this individual: if he accused him of such a rape case in which the individual was convicted when the evidence was subdued to the German court [speaks of the medical examination done to the alleged rape victim in Portugal]. Consciously or not, there is no German court that is aware of that examination carried out at the Hospital de Portimão", he said.
In this sense, asked whether he believes that this case will be solved, and when, Gonçalo Amaral replies that "by the words of the German prosecutor" the process will be resolved "in the near future".

"They will charge the man without any evidence, but they will charge him and bring him to trial. All I want to do is warn the prosecutor that there is a Portuguese case and that this, as a living suspect has a lawyer, contrary to the hypothesis of the dead suspects that happened during the first years. There is a great imbroglio here that has to be resolved," he reiterates.

https://magg.sapo.pt/atualidade/atualidade-nacional/artigos/goncalo-amaral-lanca-livro-sobre-maddie-vao-acusar-o-homem-sem-provas-diz-sobre-christian-b

[The General]

But according to Madeleine, Sean was crying too, wasn't he?   Why did Mrs Fenn hear only one child?

Or have I misremembered about Sean crying?  I think he was.

....and here's the crux of the argument, was Mrs. Fenn a reliable witness?
I mean, let's get it right, her testimony polarises opinion, with one group going as far as suggesting that she was in cahoots with the McCann's, for some tenuous reason, in an attempt to bolster their 'died earlier in the week' narrative.
Her statement served neither side well, with sceptics drawing a veil over the 'intruder' aspect, but clinging to the 'crying' account, until HCW sprang CB on the world in June 2020. Since then her account of having seen off an intruder directly upstairs has had to be added back in to the mix, as it adds credence to the CB MO and corroborates other similar accounts of holiday lets being broken in to.
Ironically, Mrs. Fenn's account of hearing a child crying for circa 70 minutes was once a cornerstone of the sceptics case. Now, however, both sides can't have it both ways - unless supporters are willing to concede that the 'neglect' was repetitive and continued despite the desperate pleas of their child / children. Conversely, sceptics will have to concede that the intruder account was probably accurate (although this really should always have been the case)
Reliable witness? Take a side.

[Vertigo Swirl]

....and here's the crux of the argument, was Mrs. Fenn a reliable witness?
I mean, let's get it right, her testimony polarises opinion, with one group going as far as suggesting that she was in cahoots with the McCann's, for some tenuous reason, in an attempt to bolster their 'died earlier in the week' narrative.
Her statement served neither side well, with sceptics drawing a veil over the 'intruder' aspect, but clinging to the 'crying' account, until HCW sprang CB on the world in June 2020. Since then her account of having seen off an intruder directly upstairs has had to be added back in to the mix, as it adds credence to the CB MO and corroborates other similar accounts of holiday lets being broken in to.
Ironically, Mrs. Fenn's account of hearing a child crying for circa 70 minutes was once a cornerstone of the sceptics case. Now, however, both sides can't have it both ways - unless supporters are willing to concede that the 'neglect' was repetitive and continued despite the desperate pleas of their child / children. Conversely, sceptics will have to concede that the intruder account was probably accurate (although this really should always have been the case)
Reliable witness? Take a side.

Don't be silly please.  There is no need for anyone to take a side over this.  She could have been mistaken about the crying but did see off an intruder who may or may not have been CB.  She may have been correct about the crying, but mistaken about the exact duration, or she may have been absolutely accurate in evry word of her testimony - I accept all possibilities without needing to wave a flag for any of them particularly.

[Mr Gray]

 

....and here's the crux of the argument, was Mrs. Fenn a reliable witness?
I mean, let's get it right, her testimony polarises opinion, with one group going as far as suggesting that she was in cahoots with the McCann's, for some tenuous reason, in an attempt to bolster their 'died earlier in the week' narrative.
Her statement served neither side well, with sceptics drawing a veil over the 'intruder' aspect, but clinging to the 'crying' account, until HCW sprang CB on the world in June 2020. Since then her account of having seen off an intruder directly upstairs has had to be added back in to the mix, as it adds credence to the CB MO and corroborates other similar accounts of holiday lets being broken in to.
Ironically, Mrs. Fenn's account of hearing a child crying for circa 70 minutes was once a cornerstone of the sceptics case. Now, however, both sides can't have it both ways - unless supporters are willing to concede that the 'neglect' was repetitive and continued despite the desperate pleas of their child / children. Conversely, sceptics will have to concede that the intruder account was probably accurate (although this really should always have been the case)
Reliable witness? Take a side.

Like some others you seem obsessed with unimportant minutae which we cannot know the veracity of....

[G-Unit]

Mrs Fenn's statement, dated 20th August;

"She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence."

A week previously would be between 6th and 13th August. The UK press, however, printing their stories before Mrs Fenn actually gave her statement, gave lots more detail than she did.

"In the weeks before Madeleine disappeared Mrs Fenn scared off an intruder who had apparently let himself into her apartment with a key."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s90.html#p3198

So did Mrs Fenn speak to the press?

"Last night Mrs Fenn refused to reveal details of her evidence."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s90.html#p3198

Someone 'revealed' the details which weren't in Mrs Fenn's police statement, but it wasn't her, it seems. She herself denied speaking to any journalists and said it was all rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM

[Vertigo Swirl]

I note the General has not responded to my request for cites for his claim that Mrs Fenn gave a detailed description of the intruder nor to the claim that there are witness statements in the files pertaining to the PJ's knocking on CB's door.  Strange that the particular and exact Mod who is so quick to make demands of accuracy on me has let these posts pass without comment IMO. 

[Brietta]

Mrs Fenn's statement, dated 20th August;

"She claims however, that a week previously she was the victim of an attempted robbery, which was not successful and neither was anything taken, thinking that the crying of the child could be linked to another attempted robbery in the residence."

A week previously would be between 6th and 13th August. The UK press, however, printing their stories before Mrs Fenn actually gave her statement, gave lots more detail than she did.

"In the weeks before Madeleine disappeared Mrs Fenn scared off an intruder who had apparently let himself into her apartment with a key."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s90.html#p3198

So did Mrs Fenn speak to the press?

"Last night Mrs Fenn refused to reveal details of her evidence."
https://themaddiecasefiles.com/the-deleted-daily-express-articles-in-chronologica-t247-s90.html#p3198

Someone 'revealed' the details which weren't in Mrs Fenn's police statement, but it wasn't her, it seems. She herself denied speaking to any journalists and said it was all rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM

Is it your suspicion that Brueckner was the intruder who apparently exited Mrs Fenn's premises via a window (later covered with a wrought iron grill).

It is known that one of his accomplices is an Ocean Club employee who might have had access to keys.

[G-Unit]

Is it your suspicion that Brueckner was the intruder who apparently exited Mrs Fenn's premises via a window (later covered with a wrought iron grill).

It is known that one of his accomplices is an Ocean Club employee who might have had access to keys.

Was Brueckner still around in August?

[jassi]

Is it your suspicion that Brueckner was the intruder who apparently exited Mrs Fenn's premises via a window (later covered with a wrought iron grill).

It is known that one of his accomplices is an Ocean Club employee who might have had access to keys.

Have police confirmed that ?

[G-Unit]

Have police confirmed that ?

I think not.

[Brietta]

Have police confirmed that ?

SIGH!!!

ABSOLUTE PROOF that you read nothing and have no interest in contributing anything to the forum other than the odd 'put down' here and there.

The following from the Portuguese press - which already appears in the forum - seems to confirm the police have quite a bit of knowledge about Brueckner's contacts since and at the time in question.

Probably the amount of information available in the public domain on this person explains the ongoing pathetic deflection to Mrs Fenn and anything which is not Brueckner.


Ocean Club employee denounced McCann's habits to maddie abduction suspect

june 7, 2020

PJ and German police identify an employee who told Brueckner that English couples left valuable goods in their homes. The suspect's goal would be to make a robbery, but he saw the children and decided to take the older one.

Christian Brueckner's mobile phone number has been in the process since 2007.
It is one of the devices that were triggered in the vicinity of the village where Maddie disappeared, but it was only after Brueckner told a German friend that he knew what had happened to the English girl that the Judiciary police were able to make the contact call.
A former employee of the Ocean Club, on praia da Luz in Lagos, had it on his personal agenda and revealed who he belonged to: a 30-year-old German who lived nearby and who did not have a known profession.

//www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/empregado-do-ocean-club-denunciava-habitos-dos-mccann-a-suspeito-do-rapto-de-maddie

Unfortunately that is as far as I am allowed to go - Paywall
But it seems the Portuguese press are making up for lost time with the rather chilling headline about the decision to take the eldest child.

There is a lot more going on than only Madeleine's case if even one iota of the Sabado article is correct

• Brueckner's burglary accomplice from the Ocean Club has been identified
• that person had the phone number the BKA were investigating on his phone - hence no more identity requests - they've got the information
• logically, that person will have been singing like a canary since first identified
• imagine having known about the crime against Madeleine which you probably thought you'd got away with  - the trauma of being caught out after all those years

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12294.msg674281#msg674281

[Eleanor]

I thought the break-in to Mrs. Fenn's flat was in the week before The McCanns arrived on holiday.  Am I wrong about that?

[G-Unit]

I thought the break-in to Mrs. Fenn's flat was in the week before The McCanns arrived on holiday.  Am I wrong about that?

That's how the press reported it, but Mrs Fenn didn't say that in her statement.

[G-Unit]

SIGH!!!

ABSOLUTE PROOF that you read nothing and have no interest in contributing anything to the forum other than the odd 'put down' here and there.

The following from the Portuguese press - which already appears in the forum - seems to confirm the police have quite a bit of knowledge about Brueckner's contacts since and at the time in question.

Probably the amount of information available in the public domain on this person explains the ongoing pathetic deflection to Mrs Fenn and anything which is not Brueckner.


Ocean Club employee denounced McCann's habits to maddie abduction suspect

june 7, 2020

PJ and German police identify an employee who told Brueckner that English couples left valuable goods in their homes. The suspect's goal would be to make a robbery, but he saw the children and decided to take the older one.

Christian Brueckner's mobile phone number has been in the process since 2007.
It is one of the devices that were triggered in the vicinity of the village where Maddie disappeared, but it was only after Brueckner told a German friend that he knew what had happened to the English girl that the Judiciary police were able to make the contact call.
A former employee of the Ocean Club, on praia da Luz in Lagos, had it on his personal agenda and revealed who he belonged to: a 30-year-old German who lived nearby and who did not have a known profession.

//www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/empregado-do-ocean-club-denunciava-habitos-dos-mccann-a-suspeito-do-rapto-de-maddie

Unfortunately that is as far as I am allowed to go - Paywall
But it seems the Portuguese press are making up for lost time with the rather chilling headline about the decision to take the eldest child.

There is a lot more going on than only Madeleine's case if even one iota of the Sabado article is correct

• Brueckner's burglary accomplice from the Ocean Club has been identified
• that person had the phone number the BKA were investigating on his phone - hence no more identity requests - they've got the information
• logically, that person will have been singing like a canary since first identified
• imagine having known about the crime against Madeleine which you probably thought you'd got away with  - the trauma of being caught out after all those years

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12294.msg674281#msg674281

So the answer to Jassi's question is that the police haven't confirmed it, is that correct?

[Brietta]

So the answer to Jassi's question is that the police haven't confirmed it, is that correct?

Another one who cannot read.