Author Topic: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect  (Read 157980 times)

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Offline The General

Ocean Club employee denounced McCann's habits to maddie abduction suspect

june 7, 2020

PJ and German police identify an employee who told Brueckner that English couples left valuable goods in their homes. The suspect's goal would be to make a robbery, but he saw the children and decided to take the older one.

Christian Brueckner's mobile phone number has been in the process since 2007.
It is one of the devices that were triggered in the vicinity of the village where Maddie disappeared, but it was only after Brueckner told a German friend that he knew what had happened to the English girl that the Judiciary police were able to make the contact call.
A former employee of the Ocean Club, on praia da Luz in Lagos, had it on his personal agenda and revealed who he belonged to: a 30-year-old German who lived nearby and who did not have a known profession.


//www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/empregado-do-ocean-club-denunciava-habitos-dos-mccann-a-suspeito-do-rapto-de-maddie

Unfortunately that is as far as I am allowed to go - Paywall
But it seems the Portuguese press are making up for lost time with the rather chilling headline about the decision to take the eldest child.

There is a lot more going on than only Madeleine's case if even one iota of the Sabado article is correct
  • Brueckner's burglary accomplice from the Ocean Club has been identified
  • that person had the phone number the BKA were investigating on his phone - hence no more identity requests - they've got the information
  • logically, that person will have been singing like a canary since first identified
  • imagine having known about the crime against Madeleine for which you probably thought you'd got away with  - the trauma of being caught out after all those years

Yeh that makes no sense - here's why:
The article is dated June 2020, so piggy backing on the original HCW proclamation.
'Christian Brueckner's mobile phone number has been in the process since 2007', but then this:
'It is one of the devices that were triggered in the vicinity of the village where Maddie disappeared, but it was only after Brueckner told a German friend that he knew what had happened to the English girl that the Judiciary police were able to make the contact call'.
What? I thought this 'friend' only came forward in the last few years? So CB having this discussion isn't the important part, it's when the 'friend' went to the police.
Finally, do you really think this 'friend' would have just been let off and the door flung open if he was some accomplice?
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Offline Brietta

Yeh that makes no sense - here's why:
The article is dated June 2020, so piggy backing on the original HCW proclamation.
'Christian Brueckner's mobile phone number has been in the process since 2007', but then this:
'It is one of the devices that were triggered in the vicinity of the village where Maddie disappeared, but it was only after Brueckner told a German friend that he knew what had happened to the English girl that the Judiciary police were able to make the contact call'.
What? I thought this 'friend' only came forward in the last few years? So CB having this discussion isn't the important part, it's when the 'friend' went to the police.
Finally, do you really think this 'friend' would have just been let off and the door flung open if he was some accomplice?
Maddie case: Law does not provide for arrest for Friend of German who watched McCann routines
Law does not provide for arrest for friend of German who watched McCann routines
SATURDAY
june 8, 2020

Friend of the suspect in Maddie's disappearance does not incur any sanction, in the light of Portuguese law, not even if he knew that the goal was to rob the house that was being occupied by the English couple.

https://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/caso-maddie-lei-nao-preve-prisao-para-amigo-de-alemao-que-vigiou-rotinas-dos-mccann
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline The General

Maddie case: Law does not provide for arrest for Friend of German who watched McCann routines
Law does not provide for arrest for friend of German who watched McCann routines
SATURDAY
june 8, 2020

Friend of the suspect in Maddie's disappearance does not incur any sanction, in the light of Portuguese law, not even if he knew that the goal was to rob the house that was being occupied by the English couple.

https://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/caso-maddie-lei-nao-preve-prisao-para-amigo-de-alemao-que-vigiou-rotinas-dos-mccann
German law - we're assuming it's his German friend. If this is the key witness, then HCW has interviewed him.
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Offline Brietta

German law - we're assuming it's his German friend. If this is the key witness, then HCW has interviewed him.

No assumption about it.

Portuguese Law - The reference is to the former Ocean Club Portuguese employee in possession of Brueckner's phone number.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

No it's not, it's fact. I'm impartial, so have no skin in your sectarian fight.
You can't accept one without the other.
Of course you can.  If she saw something  happeningwith her own eyes then that is quite different to hearing a crying child at some distance and claiming to know exactly which child or children were crying, IMO.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

I don't care. I'm going on statements made in the files. They knocked on his door, according to witness statements.
What statements would those be?  You do realise that it is G-Unit who has told me off for claiming it happened don't you?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Wonderfulspam

Of course you can.  If she saw something  happening with her own eyes then that is quite different to hearing a crying child at some distance and claiming to know exactly which child or children were crying, IMO.

At some distance = The floor below.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Syphoning deisel isn't quite the same as burglary?
Can I ask why you have not firmly remonstrated with The General for claiming as fact (borne out by witness statements indeed!) that the police knocked on CB's door? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

Of course you can.  If she saw something  happeningwith her own eyes then that is quite different to hearing a crying child at some distance and claiming to know exactly which child or children were crying, IMO.
The point being that she's a trustworthy source or she isn't.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

The point being that she's a trustworthy source or she isn't.
People can be both trustworthy and yet also mistaken.  They can be correct about one thing and incorrect about another.  Why be so black and white about it?  That's just illogical.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

People can be both trustworthy and yet also mistaken.  They can be correct about one thing and incorrect about another.  Why be so black and white about it?  That's just illogical.
Irrespective of human memory / perception fallibility, is / was she a credible witness, yes or no?
Because certain elements have derided her account of the children crying, despite Kate corroborating it (albeit retrospectively).

As I said, it's one facet of the case and one witness that I think we may be able to rely upon.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Irrespective of human memory / perception fallibility, is / was she a credible witness, yes or no?
Because certain elements have derided her account of the children crying, despite Kate corroborating it (albeit retrospectively).

As I said, it's one facet of the case and one witness that I think we may be able to rely upon.
I have no idea if she's a credible witness.  As she's dead it's not possible to ascertain if she saw CB trying to break into her apartment so her witness testimony is completely irrelevant now anyway.  IMO.   
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

At some distance = The floor below.
Literally the nearest human being in proximity, no less.
But it appears that she may have been correct about the children crying, or CB (or some other miscreant) beating a hasty retreat from her window - or vica versa.
What is for certain, Mrs Fenn wasn't lying or mistaken about the former, as Kate rather helpfully corroborated her account. So the chances of her lying or being mistaken about the intruder report must be taken at face value, as she's proven to be reliable; a state that suits both sides of the divide actually, which I find nicely balanced.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Literally the nearest human being in proximity, no less.
But it appears that she may have been correct about the children crying, or CB (or some other miscreant) beating a hasty retreat from her window - or vica versa.
What is for certain, Mrs Fenn wasn't lying or mistaken about the former, as Kate rather helpfully corroborated her account. So the chances of her lying or being mistaken about the intruder report must be taken at face value, as she's proven to be reliable; a state that suits both sides of the divide actually, which I find nicely balanced.
I think your deductions are quite illogical personally.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

I think your deductions are quite illogical personally.

That's your prerogative.
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