Author Topic: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect  (Read 158045 times)

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Offline Eleanor

Don't know - but the story was well enough put about for it to be mentioned in the discussion following broadcast of the documentary.

His German pals told the Mirror he had two dogs he treated so badly that one of them died. One was a daschund-cross called Mrs Muller, the other a rottweiler called Charlie. He reportedly left them locked inside a kiosk bar for six weeks – with one becoming so malnourished it died.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/true-untold-story-madeleine-mccann-22184502

Oh God, this is awful.  Sorry, I can't cope with this.

Offline jassi

Oh God, this is awful.  Sorry, I can't cope with this.


Treat it as fiction - it probably is.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor


Treat it as fiction - it probably is.

You think?  Okay why not.  I can't be asked to speculate anymore.


Offline The General

How strange.  You have chosen to address the two different birth dates for you as given on the internet, using this Vietnam attempt to disprove them ?   

I see the birth dates have been whooshed now ... and that is SUCH a surprise NOT.   Are you a bit touchy about them?

On the internet, your birth dates were stated independently as 1964 and 1962.  Why two different dates?



BTW, no way are you born American; you are British Public Schoolboy + year off, then ++... IMO.    You are a great communicator, also joker and you speak at the very least 4 diferent languages fluently.   I bow to you for that.

I am sure you are great fun to be with.


If you are British, you have to be 90 years old now cos the Brits dropped out of the Vietnam war in 1946 IIRC .




All the above is IMO and based upon deep research, only.     I have not identified you.



 *%6^Thinks:
Why would anyone give two different birth dates for the world to see?   Why?  There has to be a reason
All I'll admit to is spending some time with Correa on the Napo River, liaising with locals and the oil giants. That should set you on the right track.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Heriberto Janosch

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe she was killed, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW says he has more evidence expecting CB confession?


« Last Edit: February 10, 2022, 12:14:36 AM by Heriberto Janosch »

Offline Brietta

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe this, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW say he has more evidence expecting CB confession?

I believe HCW has the evidence he claims to have which has convinced the German investigators that they are investigating a murderer.
My opinion is that if Brueckner murdered Madeleine he will never confess.

I think Brueckner has all the necessary skills to carry out an abduction whether alone or with the assistance of others.

He was local and knew the area of the holiday complex very well either through legitimate work or through his illegal activities.

He had access to quite a few vehicles and his itinerant lifestyle gave him the freedom to come and go without attracting too much attention.

I find it interesting that one of the Mark Warner nannies claims to have been shown Brueckner's photograph by the Portuguese police in the days immediately following Madeleine's disappearance.

The nanny told the Daily Mirror: 'I was shown identikits the day after they took my statement (about her time with Madeleine).

'I recognised a few people from just being about… one guy I recognised was a known paedophile who later committed suicide.

'I am aware of his (Brueckner's) name and face from photos I was shown but I don't think I remember having seen him in real life. I'm aware police knew of guys like this in Praia da Luz at the time.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8393901/Madeleine-McCann-witness-says-Christian-Brueckner-man-saw-near-apartment.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe she was killed, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW says he has more evidence expecting CB confession?


I have always defended your right to an opinion, although I doubt that you will remember this.

But this is all too much. Ifs and Maybes.  I already know all of what you are saying.  So what is it that you want me  to believe?  Or perhaps it is just a language thing and I am at fault because I don't understand what you are saying.

Personally, I have no idea of if this really horrible man abducted Madeleine.  At the moment I can only hope not, unless  Madeleine was up for sale.  But that is just me and my hopes.

I am not having Brueckner convicted just because someone said so.  But then I ever was a wild card, even if some of these idiots don't realise.

Offline John

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe she was killed, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW says he has more evidence expecting CB confession?

There is NO evidence Christian Bruckner ever abducted anyone let alone a child so let's keep to the facts please.

In my opinion, HCW is merely grasping at ever decreasing straws and time is running out. In the not very distant future he will have to put up or shut up.

The fact that he has never been able to share any information with Madeleine's parents is in my view a clear indication that he doesn't have anything of significance.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2022, 05:24:12 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

There is NO evidence Christian Bruckner ever abducted anyone let alone a child so let's keep to the facts please.

In my opinion, HCW is merely grasping at ever decreasing straws and time is running out. In the not very distant future he will have to put up or shut up.

The fact that he has never been able to share any information with Madeleine's parents is in my view a clear indication that he doesn't have anything of significance.
John, you simply cannot make statements of fact like your first sentence unless you have been involved in the German investigation and they have shared everything they have with you.  It’s opinion only so please don’t pretend to know what’s what.  Nor does the fact that the BKA haven’t shared everything they have with the McCanns necessarily mean they have nothing at all either imo.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline The General

Why sit on such compelling evidence with their prime suspect sat in a jail cell?
Why wait, given the apparent certainty and their insistence of their level of confidence?
Why not charge him with what they have if it's so compelling?
The line in the sand was when HCW proclaimed to the world - nearly 2 years ago - that they had their man. There was no squeezing the genie back in to the lamp, so his gambit had to pay off fully and his 'caller' either come forward or be identified. It all hinged on that.

The caller has never been identified and he's no nearer today to charging CB than he was in June 2020.
In the meantime, as unpalatable as it seems to be to some, any chance of a 'fair' trial has evaporated, and HCW knows it. By going public he opened Pandora's Box, unleashing a global maelstrom of speculation, innuendo, falsehoods, libel, research, crappy disposable 'documentaries' and every internet idiot all having a square go - including me, including right here on this forum. (A quick search will unveil many instances of potential libel for CB's legal team to sift through on this section alone).

I believe the German prosecutors have rebuffed him (HCW) several times, with him presenting his case to them and them informing him that the threshold of their precious trial / success ratio has not been met - and this, the biggest story out there, with the eyes of the world now firmly fixed directly at them, failure is not an option.
The caller? Probably dead or fled. It may be it was one of his little band of hippy miscreants, although given that they're lining up to spill their guts, we would probably know by now. So it's more likely it's another contact - and I reckon it's a Brit on a burner, probably a drug deal.

He's now opening up, having remained relatively taciturn for so long. Why? Because he knows what they have, or don't have, and he knows he's in the clear, perhaps because he didn't do it - or maybe not.
The legal case against the SAT 1 'journalist' is the first shot across the bows in Germany. That might shut a few of the press hounds up for a bit, but it will have the opposite effect elsewhere. But it's also a signal of where this all ends, with CB languishing in a cushy prison, having been moved due to the threat of Human Rights litigation, sat on an ever increasing pile of Euro until his release in 2027
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Offline Mr Gray

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe she was killed, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW says he has more evidence expecting CB confession?
I think you are totally out of touch with the reality of the situation.

Offline Mr Gray

There is NO evidence Christian Bruckner ever abducted anyone let alone a child so let's keep to the facts please.

In my opinion, HCW is merely grasping at ever decreasing straws and time is running out. In the not very distant future he will have to put up or shut up.

The fact that he has never been able to share any information with Madeleine's parents is in my view a clear indication that he doesn't have anything of significance.

The BKK have the evidence they claim that MM was murdered by CB.... Evidence that convinces them 100 %.
I simply don't believe they are playing some kind of game... That to me is totally ridiculous. HCW has been 100% consistent in everything he has said

Offline The General

I think you are totally out of touch with the reality of the situation.
I think Herburrito is part right.
But I don't think he cares what you or I think.
He's right about the confession; that's the only thing that saves HCW from eternal ridicule.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2022, 08:11:00 AM by The General »
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline The General

The BKK have the evidence they claim that MM was murdered by CB.... Evidence that convinces them 100 %.
I simply don't believe they are playing some kind of game... That to me is totally ridiculous. HCW has been 100% consistent in everything he has said
There's no game, they don't have enough evidence, despite their '100% confidence'.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Mr Gray

Why sit on such compelling evidence with their prime suspect sat in a jail cell?
Why wait, given the apparent certainty and their insistence of their level of confidence?
Why not charge him with what they have if it's so compelling?
The line in the sand was when HCW proclaimed to the world - nearly 2 years ago - that they had their man. There was no squeezing the genie back in to the lamp, so his gambit had to pay off fully and his 'caller' either come forward or be identified. It all hinged on that.

The caller has never been identified and he's no nearer today to charging CB than he was in June 2020.
In the meantime, as unpalatable as it seems to be to some, any chance of a 'fair' trial has evaporated, and HCW knows it. By going public he opened Pandora's Box, unleashing a global maelstrom of speculation, innuendo, falsehoods, libel, research, crappy disposable 'documentaries' and every internet idiot all having a square go - including me, including right here on this forum. (A quick search will unveil many instances of potential libel for CB's legal team to sift through on this section alone).

I believe the German prosecutors have rebuffed him (HCW) several times, with him presenting his case to them and them informing him that the threshold of their precious trial / success ratio has not been met - and this, the biggest story out there, with the eyes of the world now firmly fixed directly at them, failure is not an option.
The caller? Probably dead or fled. It may be it was one of his little band of hippy miscreants, although given that they're lining up to spill their guts, we would probably know by now. So it's more likely it's another contact - and I reckon it's a Brit on a burner, probably a drug deal.

He's now opening up, having remained relatively taciturn for so long. Why? Because he knows what they have, or don't have, and he knows he's in the clear, perhaps because he didn't do it - or maybe not.
The legal case against the SAT 1 'journalist' is the first shot across the bows in Germany. That might shut a few of the press hounds up for a bit, but it will have the opposite effect elsewhere. But it's also a signal of where this all ends, with CB languishing in a cushy prison, having been moved due to the threat of Human Rights litigation, sat on an ever increasing pile of Euro until his release in 2027

Its been fully explained by Wolters himself why he is in no rush to charge.Nothing on this forum passes the legal threshold for libel. CB has not issued libel proceedings.. He's made a criminal complaint and there is as yet no indication any action is being taken

The question of a fair trial depends on what evidence HCW has.
I dont think there is the slightest doubt the Germans have the evidence they claim