The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect

[G-Unit]

Wil that make a difference to the verdict if there is a trial. Why should it.. It wont

When the outcome of a trual is prejudged it leaves a question mark over the verdict.

[Vertigo Swirl]

When the outcome of a trual is prejudged it leaves a question mark over the verdict.

Only if the judges at trial are really stupid and not doing their jobs properly.

[G-Unit]

Only if the judges at trial are really stupid and not doing their jobs properly.

One way to be sure that conscious or unconscious bias doesn't influence Court decisions is to make sure that prejudgement doesn't occur.

[Vertigo Swirl]

One way to be sure that conscious or unconscious bias doesn't influence Court decisions is to make sure that prejudgement doesn't occur.

How does that work in appeals then, when a guilty verdict has already been handed down?  If you were a judge deciding on CB’s guilt your unconscious bias would be towards a not guilty verdict wouldn’t it?

[G-Unit]

How does that work in appeals then, when a guilty verdict has already been handed down?  If you were a judge deciding on CB’s guilt your unconscious bias would be towards a not guilty verdict wouldn’t it?

In this case the suspect has had his right to the presumption of innocence breached imo. That's something that the German authorities should address as a matter of urgency imo. There's no need to speculate about a trial at the moment.

[Vertigo Swirl]

In this case the suspect has had his right to the presumption of innocence breached imo. That's something that the German authorities should address as a matter of urgency imo. There's no need to speculate about a trial at the moment.

Your avoidance of my questions is once again noted.

[G-Unit]

Your avoidance of my questions is once again noted.

Just because someone asks questions there's no obligation to answer them afaik. I'm discussing something that has occured and have no interest in unrelated speculations.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just because someone asks questions there's no obligation to answer them afaik. I'm discussing something that has occured and have no interest in unrelated speculations.

No obligation no, but it is good manners to give a straight answer to a straight question, something I always strive to do. Why do you think CB is more interested in issuing a complaint about a journo’s accusation that he starved his dogs thsn a prosecutor’s contention that he murdered a child if his poi has been breached?  Obviously you won’t give me a straight answer but it strikes me as odd anyway.

[G-Unit]

No obligation no, but it is good manners to give a straight answer to a straight question, something I always strive to do. Why do you think CB is more interested in issuing a complaint about a journo’s accusation that he starved his dogs thsn a prosecutor’s contention that he murdered a child if his poi has been breached?  Obviously you won’t give me a straight answer but it strikes me as odd anyway.

Your questions aren't what I would describe as 'straight'. I don't know what CB is thinking, but I am sure that his lawyer advises him what he should do. A complaint may have been made about Wolters for all I know.

[Brietta]

Just because someone asks questions there's no obligation to answer them afaik. I'm discussing something that has occured and have no interest in unrelated speculations.

A poster in another place said,

"Some people are simply devoid of soul. No humanity at all, yet they walk among us. Destroying people is an elixir they drink for sport."

If Brueckner is one such as those and German investigators have found that there is evidence that he harmed Madeleine - the German authorities have a duty to take their investigation as far as it will go.

There may have been no safeguards for Madeleine but Brueckner is safeguarded by the law of the land and enjoys the right to the presumption of innocence.
He is served by Lawyers who will see to it his rights are not breached under any circumstances by anyone.

My opinion is that lay persons who neither know or are entitled to know the case against him or the lawful strategy being used, would serve the interests of justice by allowing the investigation to run its course without let or hindrance.

While the rest of us await - "Eager for resolution, terrified of the same."

[The General]

A poster in another place said,

"Some people are simply devoid of soul. No humanity at all, yet they walk among us. Destroying people is an elixir they drink for sport."

If Brueckner is one such as those and German investigators have found that there is evidence that he harmed Madeleine - the German authorities have a duty to take their investigation as far as it will go.

There may have been no safeguards for Madeleine but Brueckner is safeguarded by the law of the land and enjoys the right to the presumption of innocence.
He is served by Lawyers who will see to it his rights are not breached under any circumstances by anyone.

My opinion is that lay persons who neither know or are entitled to know the case against him or the lawful strategy being used, would serve the interests of justice by allowing the investigation to run its course without let or hindrance.

While the rest of us await - "Eager for resolution, terrified of the same."

Would you like us to stop commenting on it on the forum, is that it?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Your questions aren't what I would describe as 'straight'. I don't know what CB is thinking, but I am sure that his lawyer advises him what he should do. A complaint may have been made about Wolters for all I know.

I am pretty sure we’d be informed if a complaint had been made about Wolters by Brückner, we’ve been kept abreast of all his grievances so why wouldn’t we?  That’s a straight question btw which you are obviously under no obligation to answer 

[G-Unit]

A poster in another place said,

"Some people are simply devoid of soul. No humanity at all, yet they walk among us. Destroying people is an elixir they drink for sport."

If Brueckner is one such as those and German investigators have found that there is evidence that he harmed Madeleine - the German authorities have a duty to take their investigation as far as it will go.

There may have been no safeguards for Madeleine but Brueckner is safeguarded by the law of the land and enjoys the right to the presumption of innocence.
He is served by Lawyers who will see to it his rights are not breached under any circumstances by anyone.

My opinion is that lay persons who neither know or are entitled to know the case against him or the lawful strategy being used, would serve the interests of justice by allowing the investigation to run its course without let or hindrance.

While the rest of us await - "Eager for resolution, terrified of the same."

The important word is "if". Where there is suspicion there should, of course be investigation.  What there should not be is prejudicial statements by the authorities prior to any trial. Everyone is entitled to the legal protection which is available to prevent them being declared guilty before being arrested whatever their background.

The idea that lay persons can affect an investigation is a bit fanciful imo.

[The General]

Your questions aren't what I would describe as 'straight'. I don't know what CB is thinking, but I am sure that his lawyer advises him what he should do. A complaint may have been made about Wolters for all I know.

This first litigatory (is that even a word?) action is nothing more than a calculated moving of a pawn to C6. Again, it's pretty unpalatable for many here, but the harsh reality will bite this year. CB clearly has an Anglo-German team of legal experts at his disposal. Quite how that has happened is my guess and yours, but, as I've suggested previously, he's the golden egg goose laying gilded gander egg layer - it's a no brainer for a defence lawyer to take him on pro-bono. It's a no lose too, given that they can all sit back once he's found guilty or cleared and feast off the residual legal wranglings for years to come, both civil and criminal. Couple that with the inevitable film rights, TV, book, Netflix, Amazon, press, commemorative tea towels, why not hop aboard the MM Express?
Johan Cochraneski

[Mr Gray]

When the outcome of a trual is prejudged it leaves a question mark over the verdict.

It remains to be seen whether Wolters statements affect the outcome of any trial.. You are speculating it will. That's your opinion. The fact is it depends on the evidence presented.

I'm interested in Justice being done. It may well be that the actions of Wolters is just what is needed to encourage witnesses to come forward and ensure justice is done.