The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect

[Mr Gray]

One way to be sure that conscious or unconscious bias doesn't influence Court decisions is to make sure that prejudgement doesn't occur.

Another way is to present such convincing evidence that there is no doubt re guilt

[G-Unit]

I am pretty sure we’d be informed if a complaint had been made about Wolters by Brückner, we’ve been kept abreast of all his grievances so why wouldn’t we?  That’s a straight question btw which you are obviously under no obligation to answer 

Would you expect the Braunsweig prosecutor's office to announce that they had received a complaint about their spokesperson? When did he last actually speak? 

[Mr Gray]

The important word is "if". Where there is suspicion there should, of course be investigation.  What there should not be is prejudicial statements by the authorities prior to any trial. Everyone is entitled to the legal protection which is available to prevent them being declared guilty before being arrested whatever their background.

The idea that lay persons can affect an investigation is a bit fanciful imo.

Madeleine has rights too... And if it is shown that CB tortured and murdered her... And took great pleasure in doing so... Will you still be so concerned with the rights of CB. Wake up

[Mr Gray]

Would you expect the Braunsweig prosecutor's office to announce that they had received a complaint about their spokesperson? When did he last actually speak?

Fulscher has spoken and annonced action against the journalist... Why not against Wolters. There is zero indication of any action yet you believe there may be one. That makes you a speculator of the highest level

[Vertigo Swirl]

Would you expect the Braunsweig prosecutor's office to announce that they had received a complaint about their spokesperson? When did he last actually speak?

I would expect Fulscher and Brückner to keep us abreast of such developments certainly.  In any case I’m not sure public prosecutors can keep complaints against them secret can they?

[G-Unit]

Another way is to present such convincing evidence that there is no doubt re guilt

Are you saying it's OK to say that someone committed a crime if they're later found guilty? What if they're not?

[The General]

Madeleine has rights too... And if it is shown that CB tortured and murdered her... And took great pleasure in doing so... Will you still be so concerned with the rights of CB. Wake up

It's no different to you being 'concerned' about Leonor Cipriano's right to fair process. I doubt you sympathise with her, but as a concerned citizen (concerned with the erosion of general legal standards) you feel she's been unjustly treated.

[Mr Gray]

Are you saying it's OK to say that someone committed a crime if they're later found guilty? What if they're not?

I'm saying it depends on circumstances... No jury makes a big difference. I'm saying Madeleine has rights. I'm saying it depends on the evidence. I'm saying it may be necessary to do this to get justice for Madeleine.. I think thats important.

[Mr Gray]

It's no different to you being 'concerned' about Leonor Cipriano's right to fair process. I doubt you sympathise with her, but as a concerned citizen (concerned with the erosion of general legal standards) you feel she's been unjustly treated.

First I've said it depends on the evidence presented at the trial

Second thete is the degree. I don't think you can compare beating a confession out of someone with what Wolters has done

[The General]

First I've said it depends on the evidence presented at the trial

Second thete is the degree. I don't think you can compare beating a confession out of someone with what Wolters has done

We're not comparing anything; we're discussing the overarching concepts. It's on the macro level and non-specific.

[Mr Gray]

We're not comparing anything; we're discussing the overarching concepts. It's on the macro level and non-specific.

Its case specific... Depends on the evidence

[Brietta]

The important word is "if". Where there is suspicion there should, of course be investigation.  What there should not be is prejudicial statements by the authorities prior to any trial. Everyone is entitled to the legal protection which is available to prevent them being declared guilty before being arrested whatever their background.

The idea that lay persons can affect an investigation is a bit fanciful imo.

Amaral obviously does not believe that - he certainly did his damnedest to have an adverse effect on the German investigation starting with his announcement to the world regarding the perfect patsy but for the fact he wasn't dead - using Saunokonoko's podcast as his vehicle.

Neither are individuals hiding their light under a bushel when it comes to negativity regarding the investigation aimed at solving what happened to Madeleine McCann.  So weird from people who pay lip service to "justice" for Madeleine but who have spent fifteen years fighting tooth and nail to prevent just that.

[G-Unit]

I'm saying it depends on circumstances... No jury makes a big difference. I'm saying Madeleine has rights. I'm saying it depends on the evidence. I'm saying it may be necessary to do this to get justice for Madeleine.. I think thats important.

It isn't acceptable whatever the circumstances. It's ignoring someone's human rights.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It isn't acceptable whatever the circumstances. It's ignoring someone's human rights.

If torture is a violation of human rights, then Leonor Cipriano had her human rights violated - discuss.

[G-Unit]

Amaral obviously does not believe that - he certainly did his damnedest to have an adverse effect on the German investigation starting with his announcement to the world regarding the perfect patsy but for the fact he wasn't dead - using Saunokonoko's podcast as his vehicle.

Neither are individuals hiding their light under a bushel when it comes to negativity regarding the investigation aimed at solving what happened to Madeleine McCann.  So weird from people who pay lip service to "justice" for Madeleine but who have spent fifteen years fighting tooth and nail to prevent just that.

Whether Amaral affected the German investigation is a matter of opinion, but the Germans themselves say he didn't.

There are right and wrong ways to conduct an investigation and if it's done wrongly then people are going to comment.