The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect

[Mr Gray]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Sadie on this one. SY have said there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and that is true in fact. The McCanns also hold that hope as they have every right to do.

Wolters has shared nothing even with the missing child's parents and that in itself is a disgrace. I never heard of such callousness ever!

You can agree but your post is a fallacy and opinion. SY have  NOT said there is no evidence maddie is dead
The Germans say they have concrete evidence maddie is dead. You can say you don't believe them but you can't state as a fact it doesn't exist.. I'm sure it does.
I think Wolters is doing an amazing job and if he has solved Maddies fate... Which it seems he has... That will be an amazing achievement

[Ms Para glider]

So the ever-twisting defence narrative now is that no wonder their memories were unreliable, they were all shit faced, so the 2nd set of statements are way more reliable?
Explains Gerry's confusion about which door he used when seeing his daughter for the last time. He probably fell over the picket fence, staggered up the steps, lurching in to the hedge as he ascended, gathered himself at the top and swayed precariously towards the patio door, 'shushhing' nobody in particular, before wrenching the door open, tripping over the threshold and clattering in to the coffee table (hence the blood).
He paused at the door and gazed with sozzled wonder at just Madeleine, uttered a teary 'sheez sooo bootiful, so she is....' and somehow managed to extricate himself back to the party without incurring further bodily damage.

And it's no wonder he didn't see Jane, he probably couldn't see his own hands.

Reductio ad absurdum. Weak.

[Brietta]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Sadie on this one. SY have said there is no evidence that Madeleine is dead and that is true in fact. The McCanns also hold that hope as they have every right to do.

Wolters has shared nothing even with the missing child's parents and that in itself is a disgrace. I never heard of such callousness ever!

I think the Germans now playing their cards very close to their chest is as a direct result of the learning curve they have undergone as McCann investigators.

I think it possible that having gone through the motions of reopening Madeleine's case on the strength of coming up with another suspect fitting a profile but not investigated in 2007 the Portuguese sat back on their laurels until Scotland Yard keeping the investigation active resulted in the dividend of Brueckner's name coming to the fore.

Brueckner's name was leaked to the press as was Montiero's name before his and certainly both were guys who fitted a profile.

JULY 21, 20083:29 PMUPDATED 14 YEARS AGO
Portugal drops Madeleine case, clears parents
By Andrei Khalip

LISBON (Reuters) - Portugal’s public prosecutor dropped the case on the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann in the absence of any evidence on Monday, and cleared her parents and another Briton of suspicion of involvement.
Chief prosecutor Fernando Pinto Monteiro said in a statement that Gerry and Kate McCann and Robert Murat, who lived in the same resort in southern Portugal’s Algarve region where the three-year-old vanished 14 months ago, were all cleared.

“The public prosecutor’s office has determined that the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann be archived, due to the lack of evidence of any crime being committed by the suspects,” the statement said.

“The case can be reopened by the public prosecutor’s office, or following a request from an interested party, if new evidence materializes,” it said. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-girl/portugal-drops-madeleine-case-clears-parents-idUSL2191413220080721


As an aside ~ has there ever been such an investigation into the case of a missing child ~ where the negativity at the thought of a possible perpetrator is so palpable.
'Goose chases' and 'patsys' just a couple of the terms abounding.


Madeleine McCann: A new kidnapping suspect emerges in 2007 case
Madeleine McCann case reopened:  Portuguese police have a new suspect in the mysterious disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann. A former employee of the Ocean Club resort is being investigated.
November 2, 2013

By David Clark Scott Staff writer
@davidclarkscott
Could the Madeleine McCann case finally be solved?

Or is this just another wild goose chase?

Last week, Portuguese prosecutors suddenly reopened their investigation into the 2007 disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann.

British and Portuguese media now report that the leading suspect is Euclides Monteiro, an immigrant who was a restaurant worker at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, which is where nearly 4-year old Madeleine was last seen.  Mr. Monteiro was fired shortly before her disappearance and may have kidnapped the girl as an act of revenge against his former employer, according to the Portuguese daily Correio da Manha.
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2013/1102/Madeleine-McCann-A-new-kidnapping-suspect-emerges-in-2007-case

This is obviously a very sensitive and complex case with evidence the BKA don't want released to the public domain and they have discovered that unfortunately that is not how it happens in Portugal.

Keeping it all in house is an obvious strategy to control that situation.

My opinion is that Madeleine's tremendously brave and stoic parents and family will suffer the pain of not knowing operational matters (after all they have had fifteen years of experiencing the slurs directed at them from so called investigators) in the knowledge and comfort that this investigation is pulling out all the stops to enable "justice" for Madeleine.

Something positive is happening at long last.
No-one is fitting them up and no-one is fitting anyone else up either.  I don't think it can be denied that the BKA investigation is an evidence led one and it is all that they can cling to in the hope of finding out what happened to their daughter whether good or bad news.
There is no evidence of complaint from them.  There is only evidence that they are waiting.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Reductio ad absurdum. Weak.

Your summation whilst accurate is far too kind IMO.

[Brietta]

You can agree but your post is a fallacy and opinion. SY have  NOT said there is no evidence maddie is dead
The Germans say they have concrete evidence maddie is dead. You can say you don't believe them but you can't state as a fact it doesn't exist.. I'm sure it does.
I think Wolters is doing an amazing job and if he has solved Maddies fate... Which it seems he has... That will be an amazing achievement

I think that however painful - Madeleine's family need to know what happened to her.  From reading accounts of other families of the missing, that is paramount.

The German investigation is I think the only chance the McCanns have of getting that information and I don't think the time being taken can be helped.  Unfortunately whoever did this has had many years to cover their tracks.

[G-Unit]

And there is certainly no shortage of daft people willing to believe the Tapas group were off on the piss and roaring drunk every night.

As you said, we don't know, but the MSM contributed/started the rumours of heavy drinking.

[Vertigo Swirl]

As you said, we don't know, but the MSM contributed/started the rumours of heavy drinking.

And your point is?

[The General]

Reductio ad absurdum. Weak.

Cheers Para. I'm Utrinque Paratus (while we're pathetically flexing the Googled Latin), - are you?

[The General]

As you said, we don't know, but the MSM contributed/started the rumours of heavy drinking.

That was during the brief window when they were backing the other horse, when Arguido status was applied - open season for the wretches to vomit up any old crap.

[G-Unit]

I think the Germans now playing their cards very close to their chest is as a direct result of the learning curve they have undergone as McCann investigators.

I think it possible that having gone through the motions of reopening Madeleine's case on the strength of coming up with another suspect fitting a profile but not investigated in 2007 the Portuguese sat back on their laurels until Scotland Yard keeping the investigation active resulted in the dividend of Brueckner's name coming to the fore.

Brueckner's name was leaked to the press as was Montiero's name before his and certainly both were guys who fitted a profile.

JULY 21, 20083:29 PMUPDATED 14 YEARS AGO
Portugal drops Madeleine case, clears parents
By Andrei Khalip

LISBON (Reuters) - Portugal’s public prosecutor dropped the case on the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann in the absence of any evidence on Monday, and cleared her parents and another Briton of suspicion of involvement.
Chief prosecutor Fernando Pinto Monteiro said in a statement that Gerry and Kate McCann and Robert Murat, who lived in the same resort in southern Portugal’s Algarve region where the three-year-old vanished 14 months ago, were all cleared.

“The public prosecutor’s office has determined that the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann be archived, due to the lack of evidence of any crime being committed by the suspects,” the statement said.

“The case can be reopened by the public prosecutor’s office, or following a request from an interested party, if new evidence materializes,” it said. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-girl/portugal-drops-madeleine-case-clears-parents-idUSL2191413220080721


As an aside ~ has there ever been such an investigation into the case of a missing child ~ where the negativity at the thought of a possible perpetrator is so palpable.
'Goose chases' and 'patsys' just a couple of the terms abounding.


Madeleine McCann: A new kidnapping suspect emerges in 2007 case
Madeleine McCann case reopened:  Portuguese police have a new suspect in the mysterious disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann. A former employee of the Ocean Club resort is being investigated.
November 2, 2013

By David Clark Scott Staff writer
@davidclarkscott
Could the Madeleine McCann case finally be solved?

Or is this just another wild goose chase?

Last week, Portuguese prosecutors suddenly reopened their investigation into the 2007 disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann.

British and Portuguese media now report that the leading suspect is Euclides Monteiro, an immigrant who was a restaurant worker at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, which is where nearly 4-year old Madeleine was last seen.  Mr. Monteiro was fired shortly before her disappearance and may have kidnapped the girl as an act of revenge against his former employer, according to the Portuguese daily Correio da Manha.
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2013/1102/Madeleine-McCann-A-new-kidnapping-suspect-emerges-in-2007-case

This is obviously a very sensitive and complex case with evidence the BKA don't want released to the public domain and they have discovered that unfortunately that is not how it happens in Portugal.

Keeping it all in house is an obvious strategy to control that situation.

My opinion is that Madeleine's tremendously brave and stoic parents and family will suffer the pain of not knowing operational matters (after all they have had fifteen years of experiencing the slurs directed at them from so called investigators) in the knowledge and comfort that this investigation is pulling out all the stops to enable "justice" for Madeleine.

Something positive is happening at long last.
No-one is fitting them up and no-one is fitting anyone else up either.  I don't think it can be denied that the BKA investigation is an evidence led one and it is all that they can cling to in the hope of finding out what happened to their daughter whether good or bad news.
There is no evidence of complaint from them.  There is only evidence that they are waiting.

Wolters does seem to have shut up recently. I think that's a good thing unless he has something significant to say as otherwise it just encourages media speculation.

The BKA investigation may be evidence led, but what that evidence was and how reliable it was we don't know. Judging by the media, it seems to have consisted of information from informants and a possible phone call on 3rd May.

[The General]

Wolters does seem to have shut up recently. I think that's a good thing unless he has something significant to say as otherwise it just encourages media speculation.

The BKA investigation may be evidence led, but what that evidence was and how reliable it was we don't know. Judging by the media, it seems to have consisted of information from informants and a possible phone call on 3rd May.

HCW's comparative radio silence may be, in part, due to the recent litigation issued to Rabbe. Or it may not.
Push the envelope as far as you can, then step back once the inevitable slap on the wrist arrives. Or not.

I think it's clear for everyone that there's a piece of the puzzle missing. Except I don't think it's down the back of the couch, I think the dog ate it. This might not stop proceedings, but it would certainly weaken the case.

[Mr Gray]

Wolters does seem to have shut up recently. I think that's a good thing unless he has something significant to say as otherwise it just encourages media speculation.

The BKA investigation may be evidence led, but what that evidence was and how reliable it was we don't know. Judging by the media, it seems to have consisted of information from informants and a possible phone call on 3rd May.

You say.. Judging by the media... And then draw your conclusions... Can't you see how laughable that is.
I base my conclusions on the official spokesman for the German investigation..... I think thats a lot more sensible

[G-Unit]

You say.. Judging by the media... And then draw your conclusions... Can't you see how laughable that is.
I base my conclusions on the official spokesman for the German investigation..... I think thats a lot more sensible

Clinging to Wolters' words is one way of proceeding, I suppose, but I prefer to wait and see if they have what he thinks they have.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Wolters does seem to have shut up recently. I think that's a good thing unless he has something significant to say as otherwise it just encourages media speculation.

The BKA investigation may be evidence led, but what that evidence was and how reliable it was we don't know. Judging by the media, it seems to have consisted of information from informants and a possible phone call on 3rd May.

Are you of the opinion that the media must know the full extent of the evidence held by the German investigation?

[The General]

Are you of the opinion that the media must know the full extent of the evidence held by the German investigation?

I know you're not reading my posts, but reading them....I'm not. Quite the opposite.
I'm happy to wait and see.