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Offline barrier

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1005 on: February 22, 2022, 04:34:20 PM »
Thats a newspaper report not his actual spoken words..


A news paper report of what he said, take it up with them, oh! I once read JFK was shot, that was not actually any ones spoken words I suppose.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1006 on: February 22, 2022, 04:36:18 PM »

A news paper report of what he said, take it up with them, oh! I once read JFK was shot, that was not actually any ones spoken words I suppose.

Gibberish as expected

Offline G-Unit

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1007 on: February 22, 2022, 06:36:54 PM »
You appear to have a problem with it IMO
"What isn't helpful, imo, is how much he has been willing to engage with the media despite being allowed to say very little. That suggests to me that he was either being niaive or there was a fishing expedition going on".

He wasn't asking for information or giving out information, so what was his purpose in speaking with the media?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #1008 on: February 22, 2022, 06:42:22 PM »
He wasn't asking for information or giving out information, so what was his purpose in speaking with the media?
I’m not sure what you’re about.  He has done both, quite clearly. You yourself posted this quote from him

“We have some evidence that the suspect has done the deed but we need more information from people. We hope that some British tourists can help us to find the murderer”.

What is that if not asking for information?
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Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #1009 on: February 22, 2022, 06:54:48 PM »
@)(++(* Trying to put words in my mouth again I see. I knew that was a loaded question, with follow-up responses ready to fire at me no matter what I'd answered, but I just couldn't resist. 8(0(*

All I said was 'Alcohol had been cosumed'. Was that untrue? With or without alcohol, memories are fallible. Several people can watch the exact same event and then if asked to recount it, they will all give slightly different versions of how they remembered it. Especially if a question relates to something as specific as who was stood exactly where at a specific point in time during an event where you had no particular reason to pay attention to those kind of details.

All I was saying, is that cosuming alcohol (even a little) would have potentialy further inhibited recalling specific details such as that. What I was not saying was "Gerry and Jane were smashed off their faces and so we can't trust a word they say".

You seem to want the argument to be black or white. Either they were drunk and so we can't trust their accounts. Or, they weren't drunk and so any minor discrepancy in their accounts must be a lie.

You don't appear to be able to think objectively. You are quite happy to accept that after seeing Gerry on the news constantly for four months, Martin Smith can suddenly remember "that's the shifty looking man I saw carrying that girl in an odd way", but not that Gerry can't recall the exact spot of road he had a meaninless chit chat with his buddy.

Hypothetical question, if it turned out newly unearthed CCTV fototage proved that Jane did indeed walk past Jez and Gerry, and it then turned out that Jane Tanner goes and positively identifies CB as the man she saw and she says she is 90 percent sure (not just 60 to 80%), would you be so willing to accept her assertion as you do Martin Smith's?

It was you who brought up that the group’s perception may have been shaped by alcohol not me. If you don’t want something to be discussed can I suggest that you don’t use it as some sort of mitigation. If either Gerry or Tanner had consumed enough alcohol to perhaps dim their recall, as you suggested, how can any of their memories be relied upon?

TBH it’s not the fact that Gerry appears not to remember where he was standing I, like you, think there’s nothing suspicious in that. What is suspicious was the way he dug his heels in when two witnesses, one his friend, proved him wrong. Why chose that particular hill to die on?

As to your hypothetical question, I’m afraid I’ll have to answer the two parts separately. If there was CCTV that showed Tanner passing Gerry on that night then of course I’d accept that this had happened. I’d accept that I’d been wrong and crack on. As to Tanner identifying Brueckner I’d have to compare what she said when first describing the man she saw with Brueckner

For a start…from her rogatory interview Tanner described the man she saw as “ not six foot but taller than me but sort of not, but not, I’d say I think it was sort of about five foot nine, five foot ten.” Bruckner is just over 6ft.

From her first interview Tanner described the man she saw as a “dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40” Brueckner was very light skinned and at the time was 30.

“ Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back ”. Of course we know that Bruckner has fair, rather fine hair and just weeks before Madeleine’s his hair was short at the back.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2219932/Video-Christian-B-drives-VW-campervan-just-weeks-Maddie-disappeared.html

So no I wouldn’t accept her assertion that the man she saw was Brueckner and I don’t think that you would either.
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Offline sadie

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1010 on: February 22, 2022, 07:23:51 PM »
It was you who brought up that the group’s perception may have been shaped by alcohol not me. If you don’t want something to be discussed can I suggest that you don’t use it as some sort of mitigation. If either Gerry or Tanner had consumed enough alcohol to perhaps dim their recall, as you suggested, how can any of their memories be relied upon?

TBH it’s not the fact that Gerry appears not to remember where he was standing I, like you, think there’s nothing suspicious in that. What is suspicious was the way he dug his heels in when two witnesses, one his friend, proved him wrong. Why chose that particular hill to die on?

As to your hypothetical question, I’m afraid I’ll have to answer the two parts separately. If there was CCTV that showed Tanner passing Gerry on that night then of course I’d accept that this had happened. I’d accept that I’d been wrong and crack on. As to Tanner identifying Brueckner I’d have to compare what she said when first describing the man she saw with Brueckner

For a start…from her rogatory interview Tanner described the man she saw as “ not six foot but taller than me but sort of not, but not, I’d say I think it was sort of about five foot nine, five foot ten.” Bruckner is just over 6ft.

From her first interview Tanner described the man she saw as a “dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40” Brueckner was very light skinned and at the time was 30.

“ Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back ”. Of course we know that Bruckner has fair, rather fine hair and just weeks before Madeleine’s his hair was short at the back.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2219932/Video-Christian-B-drives-VW-campervan-just-weeks-Maddie-disappeared.html

So no I wouldn’t accept her assertion that the man she saw was Brueckner and I don’t think that you would either.

If Brueckner was involved, he would be the man who went into 5a and lifted Madeleine.  Getting into buildings and having the nerve to do it, was Bruckners expertise. 

If/when he lifted Madeleine, her head would have been on his right arm.  Tannerman had Madeleine on his left arm.   She had been passed to him, maybe by Brueckner.


Tannerman would not be Bruckner IMO

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1011 on: February 22, 2022, 07:32:43 PM »
It was you who brought up that the group’s perception may have been shaped by alcohol not me. If you don’t want something to be discussed can I suggest that you don’t use it as some sort of mitigation. If either Gerry or Tanner had consumed enough alcohol to perhaps dim their recall, as you suggested, how can any of their memories be relied upon?

TBH it’s not the fact that Gerry appears not to remember where he was standing I, like you, think there’s nothing suspicious in that. What is suspicious was the way he dug his heels in when two witnesses, one his friend, proved him wrong. Why chose that particular hill to die on?

As to your hypothetical question, I’m afraid I’ll have to answer the two parts separately. If there was CCTV that showed Tanner passing Gerry on that night then of course I’d accept that this had happened. I’d accept that I’d been wrong and crack on. As to Tanner identifying Brueckner I’d have to compare what she said when first describing the man she saw with Brueckner

For a start…from her rogatory interview Tanner described the man she saw as “ not six foot but taller than me but sort of not, but not, I’d say I think it was sort of about five foot nine, five foot ten.” Bruckner is just over 6ft.

From her first interview Tanner described the man she saw as a “dark skinned individual, male sex, aged between 35-40” Brueckner was very light skinned and at the time was 30.

“ Very dark, thick hair, longer at the back ”. Of course we know that Bruckner has fair, rather fine hair and just weeks before Madeleine’s his hair was short at the back.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2219932/Video-Christian-B-drives-VW-campervan-just-weeks-Maddie-disappeared.html

So no I wouldn’t accept her assertion that the man she saw was Brueckner and I don’t think that you would either.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1012 on: February 22, 2022, 07:37:13 PM »
If Brueckner was involved, he would be the man who went into 5a and lifted Madeleine.  Getting into buildings and having the nerve to do it, was Bruckners expertise. 

If/when he lifted Madeleine, her head would have been on his right arm.  Tannerman had Madeleine on his left arm.   She had been passed to him, maybe by Brueckner.


Tannerman would not be Bruckner IMO

Or Jane saw another holidaymaker carrying his child, as Operation Grange suggested.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1013 on: February 22, 2022, 07:41:36 PM »
If Brueckner was involved, he would be the man who went into 5a and lifted Madeleine.  Getting into buildings and having the nerve to do it, was Bruckners expertise. 

If/when he lifted Madeleine, her head would have been on his right arm.  Tannerman had Madeleine on his left arm.   She had been passed to him, maybe by Brueckner.


Tannerman would not be Bruckner IMO

I agree that could have been the case, Sadie.

For definite someone removed Madeleine from the apartment and that individual did not have to be the person seen by Jane.
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Offline Brietta

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1014 on: February 22, 2022, 07:58:11 PM »
Or Jane saw another holidaymaker carrying his child, as Operation Grange suggested.

The acceptance that Jane saw what she said she saw is at at least a bit of a breakthrough after the abuse she has suffered over the years.

Point is if it was yet another holidaymaker - that makes at least two that Amaral's team missed.  Not to mention Brueckner who was yet another known criminal apparently missed because he wasn't in.

Hmmm ~ just a wee bit shoddy all these omissions.  Particularly the one who actually seems to have been on the police radar but wasn't there when looked for.
Making himself scarce perhaps ~ something I imagine a perpetrator would have done.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1015 on: February 22, 2022, 09:02:54 PM »
The acceptance that Jane saw what she said she saw is at at least a bit of a breakthrough after the abuse she has suffered over the years.

Point is if it was yet another holidaymaker - that makes at least two that Amaral's team missed.  Not to mention Brueckner who was yet another known criminal apparently missed because he wasn't in.

Hmmm ~ just a wee bit shoddy all these omissions.  Particularly the one who actually seems to have been on the police radar but wasn't there when looked for.
Making himself scarce perhaps ~ something I imagine a perpetrator would have done.

I'm not interested in whether Jane Tanner has suffered abuse, to be honest. Who hasn't? Well Leicestershire police have got off lightly, imo, considering it was their job to collect and assess the evidence from British holidaymakers.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #1016 on: February 22, 2022, 09:58:30 PM »
I'm not interested in whether Jane Tanner has suffered abuse, to be honest. Who hasn't? Well Leicestershire police have got off lightly, imo, considering it was their job to collect and assess the evidence from British holidaymakers.
Have you really suffered abuse as Jane Tanner has done over the years?  Have you regularly been accused of being involved in criminal cover up, not only online but in print and other media too?  Wow, poor you, you have my sympathy, I had no idea.
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #1017 on: February 22, 2022, 10:18:43 PM »
Have you really suffered abuse as Jane Tanner has done over the years?  Have you regularly been accused of being involved in criminal cover up, not only online but in print and other media too?  Wow, poor you, you have my sympathy, I had no idea.

There's more than one type of abuse. The PJ have been abused for years as have a lot of people who have been brave or foolish enough to express their opinions in public.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #1018 on: February 22, 2022, 10:28:58 PM »
There's more than one type of abuse. The PJ have been abused for years as have a lot of people who have been brave or foolish enough to express their opinions in public.
Classic whataboutery. 
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect
« Reply #1019 on: February 22, 2022, 10:48:26 PM »
Or how about.

Wolters said they have no idea how she died and no DNA or photo evidence linking the German sex offender to the alleged murder.

Think about the abduction of poor Rui Pedro.. Also in Portugal.

Police find video of abuse

Portuguese police don't know how he died but assume death..

Sound familiar