Russia - Ukraine war

[Wonderfulspam]

It came to within a few miles of doing so this morning.

Yep, but what are we going to do about it?

There's only one thing we can do, get Putin around the negotiating table, but we've ostracised & demonised him & his country so much that we've shattered any potential relationship.

Putin once said something along the lines of (and I don't really support him, I'm just playing devils ambulance)
...the U.S symbol of an eagle has arrows in one claw & an olive branch in the other....

....but it doesn't use the olive branch.

[barrier]

The clue is in the word "deterrent".  Would you feel safer if the West had no deterrents at all?

What have they deterred ? in this conflict ?

[barrier]

Yep, but what are we going to do about it?

There's only one thing we can do, get Putin around the negotiating table, but we've ostracised & demonised him & his country so much that we've shattered any potential relationship.

Putin once said something along the lines of (and I don't really support him, I'm just playing devils ambulance)
...the U.S symbol of an eagle has arrows in one claw & an olive branch in the other....

....but it doesn't use the olive branch.

He'll only arrive there from a position of strength .

[Wonderfulspam]

He'll only arrive there from a position of strength .

And he was very strong around 2008, when we persisted in stating our determination that Ukraine & Georgia would one day join NATO.

Hi Putin, here's a massive stab in the eye, now can you sell us some cheap gas?

[Vertigo Swirl]

What have they deterred ? in this conflict ?

You're still alive aren't you?  The west's nuclear deterrent is the only thing preventing that button from already having been pushed, probably several times over in the last few decades.

[barrier]

The clue is in the word "deterrent".  Would you feel safer if the West had no deterrents at all?

Under this banner of deterrent which countries in Europe apart from us and France,  have them ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Under this banner of deterrent which countries in Europe apart from us and France,  have them ?

What difference does that make.  We've got them and that's sufficient.

[Wonderfulspam]

What difference does that make.  We've got them and that's sufficient.

I hope it just doesn't come to that, I mean, I've lost most of my hair already, that's not an issue, but I'd rather not lose my skin, I've grown quite attached to it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I see the Fail Mail is talking of diesel rationing, the first casualty of war is the truth.

I find this curious logic.  Are you suggesting that the possibility of diesel rationing is a media lie?

[barrier]

What difference does that make.  We've got them and that's sufficient.

So what is it that they actually deter, not much use in Salisbury, just say for arguments sake that covid was from a lab by design, what did that deter ?

[barrier]

I hope it just doesn't come to that, I mean, I've lost most of my hair already, that's not an issue, but I'd rather not lose my skin, I've grown quite attached to it.

I've lost my hair also, out to wash the car now, got to stay presentable lest I meet old nick soon.

[Wonderfulspam]

Trump diplomacy was along the lines of mutual respect (although he was still sanctioning Russia, blocking european pipeline projects etc etc) but he tried to be polite, strong but respectful.

Biden diplomacy when he came to office was "Putin is a killer & will pay a price"

Brilliant, thanks democrats.

[Wonderfulspam]

And what was Trump saying to the EU & NATO.

You need to up your spending, you need to stop being reliant on foreign energy.

Germany laughed during his speech at the world economic forum.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So what is it that they actually deter, not much use in Salisbury, just say for arguments sake that covid was from a lab by design, what did that deter ?

Do I really need to spell it out?  They deter being nuked of course.

[Wonderfulspam]

Anyone heard from Greta Thunberg lately?

Her bitching & whining really helped us, we cut our carbon emissions at her insistence, by getting our power from another part of the world.

Still plenty of carbon, just not over here so that's alright.